Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you mean on the Common App, the Supreme Court has already decided that race/ethnicity questions won't be part of college applications.

So it’s not on common app? Where would the question appear?

It is on the common app. They claim schools will check not to be able to see it.

However, if you leave it blank you can continue in the app--so it's not a required thing. Some things you have to answer or you can't progress through the app.

[Anonymous]

I’m the previous poster who emailed the UVA admissions office to find out if my kids having a Spanish mother meant they could be Hispanic. Nobody can know for sure whether their Hispanic status helped their applications. It’s easy to imagine that would depend on how desperate the school was to increase its Hispanic %. Also conceivable that some admissions offices would consider it to be irrelevant.

We felt justified in claiming a connection to Spain, as the kids spoke fluent Spanish, preferred Spanish food, & spent every summer in Spain with relatives. But the opportunity was/is certainly there for people to claim to be Hispanic even with the faintest connections with Spain. If they claim to “identify” as Spanish, that’s enough to satisfy the letter of the law. We thought that was a ridiculously low bar at the time, & now that that standard also allows people to change genders, and even species, it seems even more questionable. Subjective reality is trumping objective reality.

Also, it seems so arbitrary that of all the languages on the planet, the only one which plays a big role in qualifying you for widespread special treatment in the US is Spanish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok but think of the impact such a decision has on your kid. I had a Slac classmate who wound up at Yale law a year after I showed up - but was unusual for our Slac to send anyone to a T3 law school and certainly not a B student (which I knew him to be -same major at a small college). I was standing with him next to his student mail box. He was throwing stuff in the trash. Mecha stuff. He explained “they think I’m Mexican - or Latino”. I said “you are?” Because I had known him for years and he was whiter than l was. Granted he had a Hispanic last name but He was rich Castilian. And he was adrift at law school, felt the imposter syndrome and went with an in-house corporate position (no clerkship, no BigLaw) and dropped out of sight. So before you do this think of how your children might feel about this

So sad how he ended up at YALE LAW….

I went to a top 3 law school and I am sure have “fallen out of sight” but I have a terrific work-life balance, work half time, and otherwise prioritized my family. Not everyone who goes to a top law school craves fame. I never wanted that.

I think you are missing PP’s obvious point

[Anonymous]

Seems wrong for descendants of colonizers to gain some advantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought Scotus ended this tomfoolery?

it pretty much did

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m the previous poster who emailed the UVA admissions office to find out if my kids having a Spanish mother meant they could be Hispanic. Nobody can know for sure whether their Hispanic status helped their applications. It’s easy to imagine that would depend on how desperate the school was to increase its Hispanic %. Also conceivable that some admissions offices would consider it to be irrelevant.

We felt justified in claiming a connection to Spain, as the kids spoke fluent Spanish, preferred Spanish food, & spent every summer in Spain with relatives. But the opportunity was/is certainly there for people to claim to be Hispanic even with the faintest connections with Spain. If they claim to “identify” as Spanish, that’s enough to satisfy the letter of the law. We thought that was a ridiculously low bar at the time, & now that that standard also allows people to change genders, and even species, it seems even more questionable. Subjective reality is trumping objective reality.

Also, it seems so arbitrary that of all the languages on the planet, the only one which plays a big role in qualifying you for widespread special treatment in the US is Spanish.

THIS BLOWS MY MIND????? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE if you had an Italian mother and spent every summer in Italy with your Italian relatives.

When did European countries/nationalities become a URM?????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Scotus ended this tomfoolery?

it pretty much did

nah. they just use other factors and their essay ?s which basically ask you to tell them your race/minority status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the previous poster who emailed the UVA admissions office to find out if my kids having a Spanish mother meant they could be Hispanic. Nobody can know for sure whether their Hispanic status helped their applications. It’s easy to imagine that would depend on how desperate the school was to increase its Hispanic %. Also conceivable that some admissions offices would consider it to be irrelevant.

We felt justified in claiming a connection to Spain, as the kids spoke fluent Spanish, preferred Spanish food, & spent every summer in Spain with relatives. But the opportunity was/is certainly there for people to claim to be Hispanic even with the faintest connections with Spain. If they claim to “identify” as Spanish, that’s enough to satisfy the letter of the law. We thought that was a ridiculously low bar at the time, & now that that standard also allows people to change genders, and even species, it seems even more questionable. Subjective reality is trumping objective reality.

Also, it seems so arbitrary that of all the languages on the planet, the only one which plays a big role in qualifying you for widespread special treatment in the US is Spanish.

THIS BLOWS MY MIND????? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE if you had an Italian mother and spent every summer in Italy with your Italian relatives.

When did European countries/nationalities become a URM?????

When they colonized Latin America. Alas, Italy started way too late in the colonial empire race and had to settle for crap colonies like Libya and Italian Somaliland.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems wrong for descendants of colonizers to gain some advantage.

You can solve the problem by completely eliminating any kind of consideration of race as the basis for college admission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Scotus ended this tomfoolery?

it pretty much did

nah. they just use other factors and their essay ?s which basically ask you to tell them your race/minority status.

What about the National Hispanic Recognition award from the PSAT? Will they consider that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Also, it seems so arbitrary that of all the languages on the planet, the only one which plays a big role in qualifying you for widespread special treatment in the US is Spanish.

As the government has spent many decades allowing an influx of millions of Spanish speakers as a servile class, it's not arbitrary or surprising at all that Spanish qualifies you for special treatment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the previous poster who emailed the UVA admissions office to find out if my kids having a Spanish mother meant they could be Hispanic. Nobody can know for sure whether their Hispanic status helped their applications. It’s easy to imagine that would depend on how desperate the school was to increase its Hispanic %. Also conceivable that some admissions offices would consider it to be irrelevant.

We felt justified in claiming a connection to Spain, as the kids spoke fluent Spanish, preferred Spanish food, & spent every summer in Spain with relatives. But the opportunity was/is certainly there for people to claim to be Hispanic even with the faintest connections with Spain. If they claim to “identify” as Spanish, that’s enough to satisfy the letter of the law. We thought that was a ridiculously low bar at the time, & now that that standard also allows people to change genders, and even species, it seems even more questionable. Subjective reality is trumping objective reality.

Also, it seems so arbitrary that of all the languages on the planet, the only one which plays a big role in qualifying you for widespread special treatment in the US is Spanish.

THIS BLOWS MY MIND????? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE if you had an Italian mother and spent every summer in Italy with your Italian relatives.

When did European countries/nationalities become a URM?????

Goodness. Stop hyperventilating. You are going to pass out. If this is actually blowing your mind, you’ve clearly led a shockingly safe and protected life. Breathe.

White Hispanic is not getting an admissions advantage. Certainly not now, but also rarely in the past (I can’t speak for all schools). The stats typically break those out.

Signed,
Used to work in admissions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the previous poster who emailed the UVA admissions office to find out if my kids having a Spanish mother meant they could be Hispanic. Nobody can know for sure whether their Hispanic status helped their applications. It’s easy to imagine that would depend on how desperate the school was to increase its Hispanic %. Also conceivable that some admissions offices would consider it to be irrelevant.

We felt justified in claiming a connection to Spain, as the kids spoke fluent Spanish, preferred Spanish food, & spent every summer in Spain with relatives. But the opportunity was/is certainly there for people to claim to be Hispanic even with the faintest connections with Spain. If they claim to “identify” as Spanish, that’s enough to satisfy the letter of the law. We thought that was a ridiculously low bar at the time, & now that that standard also allows people to change genders, and even species, it seems even more questionable. Subjective reality is trumping objective reality.

Also, it seems so arbitrary that of all the languages on the planet, the only one which plays a big role in qualifying you for widespread special treatment in the US is Spanish.

THIS BLOWS MY MIND????? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE if you had an Italian mother and spent every summer in Italy with your Italian relatives.

When did European countries/nationalities become a URM?????

Goodness. Stop hyperventilating. You are going to pass out. If this is actually blowing your mind, you’ve clearly led a shockingly safe and protected life. Breathe.

White Hispanic is not getting an admissions advantage. Certainly not now, but also rarely in the past (I can’t speak for all schools). The stats typically break those out.

Signed,
Used to work in admissions

Most Hispanics in the US check the white box. (Of course, the boxes won't be viewed this year.)

[Anonymous]

Calm down, buddy, it’s not like there is an infinite supply of question marks in the world.

I’m sure your Roman ancestors slipped through a few loopholes when it was their turn to rampage all over the known world. The fault lies with whatever sociology study went off the rails & concluded that there is something radioactive about the Spanish language, & that anybody who has ties to a country that speaks it needs special treatment. They probably thought they were doing something noble at the time, & never expected desperate upper middle class kids would eat a couple churros & try to vault into Cornell as URMs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the previous poster who emailed the UVA admissions office to find out if my kids having a Spanish mother meant they could be Hispanic. Nobody can know for sure whether their Hispanic status helped their applications. It’s easy to imagine that would depend on how desperate the school was to increase its Hispanic %. Also conceivable that some admissions offices would consider it to be irrelevant.

We felt justified in claiming a connection to Spain, as the kids spoke fluent Spanish, preferred Spanish food, & spent every summer in Spain with relatives. But the opportunity was/is certainly there for people to claim to be Hispanic even with the faintest connections with Spain. If they claim to “identify” as Spanish, that’s enough to satisfy the letter of the law. We thought that was a ridiculously low bar at the time, & now that that standard also allows people to change genders, and even species, it seems even more questionable. Subjective reality is trumping objective reality.

Also, it seems so arbitrary that of all the languages on the planet, the only one which plays a big role in qualifying you for widespread special treatment in the US is Spanish.

THIS BLOWS MY MIND????? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE if you had an Italian mother and spent every summer in Italy with your Italian relatives.

When did European countries/nationalities become a URM?????

When they colonized Latin America. Alas, Italy started way too late in the colonial empire race and had to settle for crap colonies like Libya and Italian Somaliland.

Wtf dies any of this have to do with college admissions in 2023?