I don’t think demonstrated interest is a thing anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA says it doesn’t care and doesn’t track it at all. UVA is very prestigious.

LOL. Two years ago UVA sent my senior a postcard with his own personalized web link using his name. Tell me they don’t care about demonstrated interest with such a pricy stunt. Of course they tracking who opens it.

Ok, you’re right. Even though Dean J has stated repeatedly on her blog that UVA does not track interest in any way, shape or form and even though UVA says on the Common Data Set that demonstrated interest is “not considered,” it’s all a ruse and they’re lying.

Oh, and the 2020 election was stolen too.

Okay, then humor me...why would UVA go to the trouble to do that? I mean the url had his name in it...is it just wow factor? Something else?

I'm not sure why I believe that was to show demonstrated interest (I'm not a follower of Dean J) means that the election was stolen, otherwise than to express your defensiveness.

See attached:

http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-role-of-demonstrated-interest-in.html?m=1

From 2019. This was in 2021, so please just answer the question.

This is from 2022.

https://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2022/10/things-you-dont-have-to-do-for-uva.html

Emails showing interest
As application numbers increase, so do the emails from students who want to express their interest in UVA. We are happy to answer questions, but emails showing interest aren't necessary, we don't use demonstrated interest in our review.

By the way, submit updates through the student portal instead of by email. Please follow the application instructions on this! We want our staff to be dedicated to application review, not tending to a constant stream of emails. Following directions helps the process move quickly. Not following directions slows us down...and I know you all want us to work efficiently so we can get decisions made!

Why are you so afraid of answering the question? Why did a UVA comp science admissions intern enter in http links with presumably tens of thousands of prospective student name with redirects to UVA homepage and then spend thousands on printing individual postcards to prospective applicants? Also, if they went to such trouble, would they or wouldn't they collect that data? Would any UVA professor worth their salt suggest that the university, much less any other business, do a marketing campaign without collecting data? If that data wasn't used to gauge interest in the university, what data would they be seeking? I asked if was just a very expensive "wow" campaign, but I have yet to hear anything substantive from you.

You think this giant marketing efforts are done by admissions? Student interns? You think professors are involved? NO, no, no, no, no.

They all have marketing firms that do their emails and mailings. There are firms that specialize in higher ed marketing (notice that some schools' emails and brochures are virtually identical? They're coming out of the same firm). ANY marketing firm worth their salt is going to have specialized links so they can report back statistics about how the messaging landed with different segments of the audience and recommend changes to get other parts of the audience to engage.

But you've decided everything is a lie, from the CDS to the admissions website, so you probably can't fathom that you're wrong about this.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA says it doesn’t care and doesn’t track it at all. UVA is very prestigious.

LOL. Two years ago UVA sent my senior a postcard with his own personalized web link using his name. Tell me they don’t care about demonstrated interest with such a pricy stunt. Of course they tracking who opens it.

Ok, you’re right. Even though Dean J has stated repeatedly on her blog that UVA does not track interest in any way, shape or form and even though UVA says on the Common Data Set that demonstrated interest is “not considered,” it’s all a ruse and they’re lying.

Oh, and the 2020 election was stolen too.

Okay, then humor me...why would UVA go to the trouble to do that? I mean the url had his name in it...is it just wow factor? Something else?

I'm not sure why I believe that was to show demonstrated interest (I'm not a follower of Dean J) means that the election was stolen, otherwise than to express your defensiveness.

See attached:

http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-role-of-demonstrated-interest-in.html?m=1

From 2019. This was in 2021, so please just answer the question.

This is from 2022.

https://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2022/10/things-you-dont-have-to-do-for-uva.html

Emails showing interest
As application numbers increase, so do the emails from students who want to express their interest in UVA. We are happy to answer questions, but emails showing interest aren't necessary, we don't use demonstrated interest in our review.

By the way, submit updates through the student portal instead of by email. Please follow the application instructions on this! We want our staff to be dedicated to application review, not tending to a constant stream of emails. Following directions helps the process move quickly. Not following directions slows us down...and I know you all want us to work efficiently so we can get decisions made!

Why are you so afraid of answering the question? Why did a UVA comp science admissions intern enter in http links with presumably tens of thousands of prospective student name with redirects to UVA homepage and then spend thousands on printing individual postcards to prospective applicants? Also, if they went to such trouble, would they or wouldn't they collect that data? Would any UVA professor worth their salt suggest that the university, much less any other business, do a marketing campaign without collecting data? If that data wasn't used to gauge interest in the university, what data would they be seeking? I asked if was just a very expensive "wow" campaign, but I have yet to hear anything substantive from you.

You think this giant marketing efforts are done by admissions? Student interns? You think professors are involved? NO, no, no, no, no.

They all have marketing firms that do their emails and mailings. There are firms that specialize in higher ed marketing (notice that some schools' emails and brochures are virtually identical? They're coming out of the same firm). ANY marketing firm worth their salt is going to have specialized links so they can report back statistics about how the messaging landed with different segments of the audience and recommend changes to get other parts of the audience to engage.

But you've decided everything is a lie, from the CDS to the admissions website, so you probably can't fathom that you're wrong about this.

It is laughable that you think UVA isn't signing off on its admissions marketing campaigns. I didn't state UVA professors were involved, but I was holding up their esteemed professors as being able to understand that marketing campaigns have a specific goal that should always be tested to collect data.

That is false that every university has what you call "specialized links" because UVA is the ONLY school that sent us personalized URLS. I haven't decided everything is a lie, but I'm also doubtful because nobody can state an alternative motivation behind such a campaign. Michigan says it considers demonstrated interest and its yield is only slightly higher than UVA's. But, I guess as some pp's said re schools using ED as demonstrated interest and UVA has ED. That is prohibitive financially for many students, much more so than visiting campus, so I guess that's where UVA falls. And, no I don't think UVA is squeaky clean in this discussion of demonstrated interest.

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California Lutheran sends personalized URLs too.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA says it doesn’t care and doesn’t track it at all. UVA is very prestigious.

LOL. Two years ago UVA sent my senior a postcard with his own personalized web link using his name. Tell me they don’t care about demonstrated interest with such a pricy stunt. Of course they tracking who opens it.

Ok, you’re right. Even though Dean J has stated repeatedly on her blog that UVA does not track interest in any way, shape or form and even though UVA says on the Common Data Set that demonstrated interest is “not considered,” it’s all a ruse and they’re lying.

Oh, and the 2020 election was stolen too.

Okay, then humor me...why would UVA go to the trouble to do that? I mean the url had his name in it...is it just wow factor? Something else?

I'm not sure why I believe that was to show demonstrated interest (I'm not a follower of Dean J) means that the election was stolen, otherwise than to express your defensiveness.

See attached:

http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-role-of-demonstrated-interest-in.html?m=1

From 2019. This was in 2021, so please just answer the question.

You people are so obtuse. She says it every year and it is also clear as day on the common data set as well. UVA does not take into account demonstrated interest and never has.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Must be nice to have the money and time for "demonstratable interest"

It's actually quite easy now. It simply means doing online sessions and clicking on email links, emailing your admission officer with interesting questions that show you have done a bit of research about the school. It no longer means having to travel and phsyically visit

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Anonymous wrote:UVA says it doesn’t care and doesn’t track it at all. UVA is very prestigious.

LOL. Two years ago UVA sent my senior a postcard with his own personalized web link using his name. Tell me they don’t care about demonstrated interest with such a pricy stunt. Of course they tracking who opens it.

Ok, you’re right. Even though Dean J has stated repeatedly on her blog that UVA does not track interest in any way, shape or form and even though UVA says on the Common Data Set that demonstrated interest is “not considered,” it’s all a ruse and they’re lying.

Oh, and the 2020 election was stolen too.

Okay, then humor me...why would UVA go to the trouble to do that? I mean the url had his name in it...is it just wow factor? Something else?

I'm not sure why I believe that was to show demonstrated interest (I'm not a follower of Dean J) means that the election was stolen, otherwise than to express your defensiveness.

See attached:

http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-role-of-demonstrated-interest-in.html?m=1

From 2019. This was in 2021, so please just answer the question.

This is from 2022.

https://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2022/10/things-you-dont-have-to-do-for-uva.html

Emails showing interest
As application numbers increase, so do the emails from students who want to express their interest in UVA. We are happy to answer questions, but emails showing interest aren't necessary, we don't use demonstrated interest in our review.

By the way, submit updates through the student portal instead of by email. Please follow the application instructions on this! We want our staff to be dedicated to application review, not tending to a constant stream of emails. Following directions helps the process move quickly. Not following directions slows us down...and I know you all want us to work efficiently so we can get decisions made!

Thank you for setting these stubborn idiots straight. So frustrating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At a Boston University event last year the presenter stated they do factor demonstrated interest, and made clear that the best way to demonstrate interest was to apply ED.
That’s what demonstrated interest has shifted to.

Does not mean it's the only way. But yes, any school with ED1/ED2/ED knows that the "best way to show demonstrated interest" is by EDing.

But if you are worried about finances you can call the admission officer and communicate with them and the financial aid office about what the "financially unable to afford " clause is that would allow you to reject ED.....many will do a pre-read of what you would get in FA/Merit. Either way it helps to show demonstrated interest and might just let a MC/UMC who considers themselves "donut hole" apply ED.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA says it doesn’t care and doesn’t track it at all. UVA is very prestigious.

LOL. Two years ago UVA sent my senior a postcard with his own personalized web link using his name. Tell me they don’t care about demonstrated interest with such a pricy stunt. Of course they tracking who opens it.

Ok, you’re right. Even though Dean J has stated repeatedly on her blog that UVA does not track interest in any way, shape or form and even though UVA says on the Common Data Set that demonstrated interest is “not considered,” it’s all a ruse and they’re lying.

Oh, and the 2020 election was stolen too.

Okay, then humor me...why would UVA go to the trouble to do that? I mean the url had his name in it...is it just wow factor? Something else?

I'm not sure why I believe that was to show demonstrated interest (I'm not a follower of Dean J) means that the election was stolen, otherwise than to express your defensiveness.

See attached:

http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-role-of-demonstrated-interest-in.html?m=1

From 2019. This was in 2021, so please just answer the question.

This is from 2022.

https://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2022/10/things-you-dont-have-to-do-for-uva.html

Emails showing interest
As application numbers increase, so do the emails from students who want to express their interest in UVA. We are happy to answer questions, but emails showing interest aren't necessary, we don't use demonstrated interest in our review.

By the way, submit updates through the student portal instead of by email. Please follow the application instructions on this! We want our staff to be dedicated to application review, not tending to a constant stream of emails. Following directions helps the process move quickly. Not following directions slows us down...and I know you all want us to work efficiently so we can get decisions made!

Why are you so afraid of answering the question? Why did a UVA comp science admissions intern enter in http links with presumably tens of thousands of prospective student name with redirects to UVA homepage and then spend thousands on printing individual postcards to prospective applicants? Also, if they went to such trouble, would they or wouldn't they collect that data? Would any UVA professor worth their salt suggest that the university, much less any other business, do a marketing campaign without collecting data? If that data wasn't used to gauge interest in the university, what data would they be seeking? I asked if was just a very expensive "wow" campaign, but I have yet to hear anything substantive from you.

First, you were dealing with more than one poster.

Second, no one is saying that UVA doesn’t market. And no one is saying that UVA does not collect data generally. What they are saying is that they do not factor an individual student’s expression of interest in any way, shape or form in admissions. It is not that complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA says it doesn’t care and doesn’t track it at all. UVA is very prestigious.

LOL. Two years ago UVA sent my senior a postcard with his own personalized web link using his name. Tell me they don’t care about demonstrated interest with such a pricy stunt. Of course they tracking who opens it.

Ok, you’re right. Even though Dean J has stated repeatedly on her blog that UVA does not track interest in any way, shape or form and even though UVA says on the Common Data Set that demonstrated interest is “not considered,” it’s all a ruse and they’re lying.

Oh, and the 2020 election was stolen too.

Okay, then humor me...why would UVA go to the trouble to do that? I mean the url had his name in it...is it just wow factor? Something else?

I'm not sure why I believe that was to show demonstrated interest (I'm not a follower of Dean J) means that the election was stolen, otherwise than to express your defensiveness.

See attached:

http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-role-of-demonstrated-interest-in.html?m=1

From 2019. This was in 2021, so please just answer the question.

This is from 2022.

https://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2022/10/things-you-dont-have-to-do-for-uva.html

Emails showing interest
As application numbers increase, so do the emails from students who want to express their interest in UVA. We are happy to answer questions, but emails showing interest aren't necessary, we don't use demonstrated interest in our review.

By the way, submit updates through the student portal instead of by email. Please follow the application instructions on this! We want our staff to be dedicated to application review, not tending to a constant stream of emails. Following directions helps the process move quickly. Not following directions slows us down...and I know you all want us to work efficiently so we can get decisions made!

Why are you so afraid of answering the question? Why did a UVA comp science admissions intern enter in http links with presumably tens of thousands of prospective student name with redirects to UVA homepage and then spend thousands on printing individual postcards to prospective applicants? Also, if they went to such trouble, would they or wouldn't they collect that data? Would any UVA professor worth their salt suggest that the university, much less any other business, do a marketing campaign without collecting data? If that data wasn't used to gauge interest in the university, what data would they be seeking? I asked if was just a very expensive "wow" campaign, but I have yet to hear anything substantive from you.

You think this giant marketing efforts are done by admissions? Student interns? You think professors are involved? NO, no, no, no, no.

They all have marketing firms that do their emails and mailings. There are firms that specialize in higher ed marketing (notice that some schools' emails and brochures are virtually identical? They're coming out of the same firm). ANY marketing firm worth their salt is going to have specialized links so they can report back statistics about how the messaging landed with different segments of the audience and recommend changes to get other parts of the audience to engage.

But you've decided everything is a lie, from the CDS to the admissions website, so you probably can't fathom that you're wrong about this.

It is laughable that you think UVA isn't signing off on its admissions marketing campaigns. I didn't state UVA professors were involved, but I was holding up their esteemed professors as being able to understand that marketing campaigns have a specific goal that should always be tested to collect data.

That is false that every university has what you call "specialized links" because UVA is the ONLY school that sent us personalized URLS. I haven't decided everything is a lie, but I'm also doubtful because nobody can state an alternative motivation behind such a campaign. Michigan says it considers demonstrated interest and its yield is only slightly higher than UVA's. But, I guess as some pp's said re schools using ED as demonstrated interest and UVA has ED. That is prohibitive financially for many students, much more so than visiting campus, so I guess that's where UVA falls. And, no I don't think UVA is squeaky clean in this discussion of demonstrated interest.

What would be a college's reason for lying about this? There is nothing wrong with using interest. If they want it, they tell you it's a factor.

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Anonymous wrote:Brown, Columbia, Harvard, NYU so far haven’t cared at all. Did they ever?

Columbia probably cared that DC made the trip for the Arts open house. At least, DC got in. Probably for many reasons, including and national achievement and great stats. But DC was set on Columbia and did the tour and then the open house a few months later, and opened all the emails.

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“What they are saying is that they do not factor an individual student’s expression of interest in any way, shape or form in admissions. It is not that complicated.”

Offering ED is exactly a display of demonstrated interest and yield protection for UVA. It is not that complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:Brown, Columbia, Harvard, NYU so far haven’t cared at all. Did they ever?

Columbia probably cared that DC made the trip for the Arts open house. At least, DC got in. Probably for many reasons, including and national achievement and great stats. But DC was set on Columbia and did the tour and then the open house a few months later, and opened all the emails.

Nope. Columbia doesn't give a hoot. Everyone turns up and opens the emails for Columbia. Of course they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“What they are saying is that they do not factor an individual student’s expression of interest in any way, shape or form in admissions. It is not that complicated.”

Offering ED is exactly a display of demonstrated interest and yield protection for UVA. It is not that complicated.

I think you're blurring lines here. Demonstrated interest is turning up for tours, emailing questions, opening emails with links and following them. ED is an overt commitment to a college. You can apply ED having never done any of the actions that demonstrate interest.

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Anonymous wrote:“What they are saying is that they do not factor an individual student’s expression of interest in any way, shape or form in admissions. It is not that complicated.”

Offering ED is exactly a display of demonstrated interest and yield protection for UVA. It is not that complicated.

I think you're blurring lines here. Demonstrated interest is turning up for tours, emailing questions, opening emails with links and following them. ED is an overt commitment to a college. You can apply ED having never done any of the actions that demonstrate interest.

NP. Perhaps a better term would involve yield. Demonstrated interest is an input for a college's yield algorithm. ED is virtually guaranteed yield.

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Anonymous wrote:“What they are saying is that they do not factor an individual student’s expression of interest in any way, shape or form in admissions. It is not that complicated.”

Offering ED is exactly a display of demonstrated interest and yield protection for UVA. It is not that complicated.

I think you're blurring lines here. Demonstrated interest is turning up for tours, emailing questions, opening emails with links and following them. ED is an overt commitment to a college. You can apply ED having never done any of the actions that demonstrate interest.

Applying ED IS an example of the most demonstrated interest of all. Saying I will attend your school if accepted shows the ultimate interest.