Disruptive student in class

Anonymous
Also, I’m not sure where you’ve gotten the idea the paras in self-contained settings have substantially different training than the paras supporting students with special needs in general education settings. I know some in the autism programs MCPS schools. It sure doesn’t sound like they’ve gotten much special training from MCPS.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Former special ed teacher here. Some of the disruptive kids are just having impulse control issues and will grow out of it. Some are undiagnosed or diagnosed ADHD who should be medicated, but either the parents don't know about the diagnosis or don't believe in medication. And, some are absolutely special ed but the parents disagree. Then you have to collect data. And more data. And even more data. And even then, sometimes there is nothing you can do. Sometimes, even if parents, teachers and admin agree, it can still take over a year to get a student moved to an appropriate, discreet classroom with more support.

In the meantime, become an active and involved parent at the school. File that bullying form every single time there is an incident (even if your child was a witness and not the victim), and if your child is the direct victim of ANY violence, file a police report. Unfortunately, these are the only things MCPS will react to these days. And, I would not allow my child to participate in restorative justice under any circumstances. They'd just be revictomized.

There are many reasons I am a former special ed teacher, but the state of MCPS is a huge part of it

+1 Thank you for sharing your thoughtful perspective. It’s very helpful in trying to understand what is going on.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I'm so sick of people spewing things like mainstreaming and least restrictive environment is a bad thing. My DC has special needs and is mainstreamed. She has a language-based disability and learning disorders but is the kindest, gentlest kid and a quiet rule follower. She gets a bit of push in support but mostly extra time to do assignments and pull out for speech. She tells me that the assistant teacher who comes in to his classroom (as required in his IEP) usually ends up helping a bunch of kids and assists the main teacher as my DC works independently. She is sometimes the target of bullying but has never caused any disruption ever. She deserves to be in a LRE and mainstreamed and the clueless people spouting blanket statements of hatred of children with disabilities should look at their own kids - they can be mean and disruptive to my child's education. No child should be hitting and throwing things in a classroom - and violence should not be tolerated but give sped kids who are not disruptive a chance!


You need to calm down... if your child can manage in a mainstreamed classroom without unduly monopolizing teacher time (although as a society we could talk about the resources involved in assistants being assigned to individuals), then no one is talking about you and your child. There is a spectrum of needs and there are many, many kids who are in mainstreamed classrooms who should not be. And people should be able to say that. It is detrimental to the education of both those with special needs and those without. Our society should care about that. It is a policy that was attempted and that has gone too far in the direction of accommodating kids who should be in other school settings.

+1 Couldn’t have said this better.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why not call the police if it happens to your kid?


Instruct the school to contact police and file a police report if your kid is hit so you can press charges.


I doubt MCPS will do this. I hate to make it all about the paperwork, but Fill out the bullying/harassment form every time your child tells you about these incidents- even if they were not directly hit. You need to put the school on notice that by keeping your child in classroom with a child that has a known discipline issue, they are not fulfilling their obligations to your child for a SAFE learning environment. The teacher will be grateful you did as I’m sure they will be complaining as well (if they haven’t already)

This. But make sure you are speaking with other parents to do the same. All parents need to be advocating for a safe learning environment for their children.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm so sick of people spewing things like mainstreaming and least restrictive environment is a bad thing. My DC has special needs and is mainstreamed. She has a language-based disability and learning disorders but is the kindest, gentlest kid and a quiet rule follower. She gets a bit of push in support but mostly extra time to do assignments and pull out for speech. She tells me that the assistant teacher who comes in to his classroom (as required in his IEP) usually ends up helping a bunch of kids and assists the main teacher as my DC works independently. She is sometimes the target of bullying but has never caused any disruption ever. She deserves to be in a LRE and mainstreamed and the clueless people spouting blanket statements of hatred of children with disabilities should look at their own kids - they can be mean and disruptive to my child's education. No child should be hitting and throwing things in a classroom - and violence should not be tolerated but give sped kids who are not disruptive a chance!


You need to calm down... if your child can manage in a mainstreamed classroom without unduly monopolizing teacher time (although as a society we could talk about the resources involved in assistants being assigned to individuals), then no one is talking about you and your child. There is a spectrum of needs and there are many, many kids who are in mainstreamed classrooms who should not be. And people should be able to say that. It is detrimental to the education of both those with special needs and those without. Our society should care about that. It is a policy that was attempted and that has gone too far in the direction of accommodating kids who should be in other school settings.

+1
Anonymous
Have the violent child arrested
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's really sad to see four pages of hysteria over a report from a third-grader on day 2. Maybe the other kid is a "hitter" or violent, maybe it's third graders talking nonsense, no one really knows and the OP's kid hasn't been directly affected by anything. It's kind of ridiculous to engage in these hyperbolic denunciations of the entire school system based on the very limited information that the OP provided. I've had 2 kids go through MCPS and I fully appreciate that there are many issues and many opportunities for improvements. But especially for the OP, try to give it a week, at least, before you consign a third-grader you've never met to sociopath status.


This kid hit 3 boys last year within the couple of months he joined the school. Fast forward to open house, he is pointing his fingers like a weapon to the ceiling pretending to shoot the ceiling. First day of school he slaps a female table mate in the face. What do you make of this?
Anonymous
Can we try hard not to vilify a child who is what 8?
I don't think it's fair to say there are many many children who should not be in mainstream classroom. In many years of MCPS with multiple kids in general education there has been maybe one kid who probably belonged elsewhere. The school had been trying. The kid had been trying trying but it was not working.

A lot of kids had their blips but you'll see OP that in a few years this child will probably be just another kid in the class.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Can we try hard not to vilify a child who is what 8?
I don't think it's fair to say there are many many children who should not be in mainstream classroom. In many years of MCPS with multiple kids in general education there has been maybe one kid who probably belonged elsewhere. The school had been trying. The kid had been trying trying but it was not working.

A lot of kids had their blips but you'll see OP that in a few years this child will probably be just another kid in the class.


It is not fair to the 25-30 other children who want to learn. It is not fair for the teacher to focus 90% of the energy on 1 student. Find them support via a one on one paraeducator or put them in a self contained classroom until they master the social and emotional skills needed to co-exist in a mainstream classroom.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Can we try hard not to vilify a child who is what 8?
I don't think it's fair to say there are many many children who should not be in mainstream classroom. In many years of MCPS with multiple kids in general education there has been maybe one kid who probably belonged elsewhere. The school had been trying. The kid had been trying trying but it was not working.

A lot of kids had their blips but you'll see OP that in a few years this child will probably be just another kid in the class.

Last year in 3rd grade, my DC had a sped student who walked around the classroom being loud and disruptive, holding the class hostage, and nothing was done about it the entire school year. Not much learning took place as a result. What if all students were allowed to do this? Why is there a double standard for the sped student? It is grossly unfair that 26 students suffer for one kid who is treated differently.
Anonymous
Should it take $3500-$6000 outside of personal insurance to have neuro tests done? No

Even for people that can afford it, the waitlist is around 8 months

It shouldn't be hard to go to doctors and get medication for ADHD. It shouldn't be hard to get diagnosis for kids on the spectrum and help them before it is too late.

But it is and that is who America works. This is no fault to MCPS although their stream-lining is ridiculous.
Anonymous
Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's really sad to see four pages of hysteria over a report from a third-grader on day 2. Maybe the other kid is a "hitter" or violent, maybe it's third graders talking nonsense, no one really knows and the OP's kid hasn't been directly affected by anything. It's kind of ridiculous to engage in these hyperbolic denunciations of the entire school system based on the very limited information that the OP provided. I've had 2 kids go through MCPS and I fully appreciate that there are many issues and many opportunities for improvements. But especially for the OP, try to give it a week, at least, before you consign a third-grader you've never met to sociopath status.


This kid hit 3 boys last year within the couple of months he joined the school. Fast forward to open house, he is pointing his fingers like a weapon to the ceiling pretending to shoot the ceiling. First day of school he slaps a female table mate in the face. What do you make of this?


Does this child have SN or not? Plenty of kids who don’t have SN hit other kids. Well, OP?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home


You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home


You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.


Online-only school is a good option.
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