Disruptive student in class

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:School year just started. Tell the principal you want your son moved to a new class immediately as you worry for his safety.


+1. We dealt with this last year and I really regret not asking my DC to be moved early in the year. It did not get better and DC was dreading school by the end of the year.


Sorry to hear. We went through the same. There really isn't much admin can do, it seems. Several parents approached our principal and she basically said they were doing what they can.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Is this child actually disruptive in a way that results in missed instruction or is the hitting a light hit like how toddlers sometimes steal toys from each other by hitting?

There are kids who are years behind in maturity and may not be able to communicate with words. This happened in our pre-K classroom all the time and all those kids grew up to be nice, gentle kids. A child with a disability may just be behind a few years.


Maybe, but the OP is talking about an 8 or 9 year old. Quite a bit different than pre-K and the kid could potentially be quite strong.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm so sick of people spewing things like mainstreaming and least restrictive environment is a bad thing. My DC has special needs and is mainstreamed. She has a language-based disability and learning disorders but is the kindest, gentlest kid and a quiet rule follower. She gets a bit of push in support but mostly extra time to do assignments and pull out for speech. She tells me that the assistant teacher who comes in to his classroom (as required in his IEP) usually ends up helping a bunch of kids and assists the main teacher as my DC works independently. She is sometimes the target of bullying but has never caused any disruption ever. She deserves to be in a LRE and mainstreamed and the clueless people spouting blanket statements of hatred of children with disabilities should look at their own kids - they can be mean and disruptive to my child's education. No child should be hitting and throwing things in a classroom - and violence should not be tolerated but give sped kids who are not disruptive a chance!


You need to calm down... if your child can manage in a mainstreamed classroom without unduly monopolizing teacher time (although as a society we could talk about the resources involved in assistants being assigned to individuals), then no one is talking about you and your child. There is a spectrum of needs and there are many, many kids who are in mainstreamed classrooms who should not be. And people should be able to say that. It is detrimental to the education of both those with special needs and those without. Our society should care about that. It is a policy that was attempted and that has gone too far in the direction of accommodating kids who should be in other school settings.
Anonymous
Welcome to schools in the DMV!
Anonymous
They will do something you just have to go through the "proper channels" of reporting it.

When my DS was at Bradley Hills in 3rd grade there was a kid like this, he actually punched Kindergardeners in the face. He was removed from the school and went to GDS (and then, somewhere else...)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone here have any experience with a 8/9 year old "hitter" in their child's class? This boy has hit other classmates the previous school year in 3rd grade, as reported to me by my child, and now on first day back yesterday has slapped a classmate in the face. And he stayed in the class, not sent to the office. Is this acceptable and normal at mcps? It is unknown to me what triggers this child. It frightens me honestly.


It's neither acceptable nor normal, but it does happen. If I extrapolate from what you are saying, I'd guess that this child has some impulse control issues and is not a great fit for a mainstream classroom environment and/or would benefit from a one-on-one aide.

The problem is that moving a child to a more restrictive classroom environment against the will of his parents is extremely difficult, and a one-on-one aide is very expensive and may be impossible to hire in this environment.

Best case scenario is the parents and school working together to find this child a better and more supportive environment, but even then the bureaucracy can take a while.


If a one-on-one would be needed in this environment, it would almost certainly still be needed in a self-contained classroom that provided similar educational opportunities. So it shouldn’t be any more expensive for the school to provide an aide right now. They just don’t want to.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm so sick of people spewing things like mainstreaming and least restrictive environment is a bad thing. My DC has special needs and is mainstreamed. She has a language-based disability and learning disorders but is the kindest, gentlest kid and a quiet rule follower. She gets a bit of push in support but mostly extra time to do assignments and pull out for speech. She tells me that the assistant teacher who comes in to his classroom (as required in his IEP) usually ends up helping a bunch of kids and assists the main teacher as my DC works independently. She is sometimes the target of bullying but has never caused any disruption ever. She deserves to be in a LRE and mainstreamed and the clueless people spouting blanket statements of hatred of children with disabilities should look at their own kids - they can be mean and disruptive to my child's education. No child should be hitting and throwing things in a classroom - and violence should not be tolerated but give sped kids who are not disruptive a chance!


You need to calm down... if your child can manage in a mainstreamed classroom without unduly monopolizing teacher time (although as a society we could talk about the resources involved in assistants being assigned to individuals), then no one is talking about you and your child. There is a spectrum of needs and there are many, many kids who are in mainstreamed classrooms who should not be. And people should be able to say that. It is detrimental to the education of both those with special needs and those without. Our society should care about that. It is a policy that was attempted and that has gone too far in the direction of accommodating kids who should be in other school settings.


If you were truly interested in what is best for both NT students and students with special needs, then you’d be advocating for first attempting to bring special resources into the general education classroom. And only if that doesn’t work should those resources and students be moved to a different environment.

Instead you just want to warehouse the students with special needs somewhere where they would be out of your hair.
Anonymous
It's really sad to see four pages of hysteria over a report from a third-grader on day 2. Maybe the other kid is a "hitter" or violent, maybe it's third graders talking nonsense, no one really knows and the OP's kid hasn't been directly affected by anything. It's kind of ridiculous to engage in these hyperbolic denunciations of the entire school system based on the very limited information that the OP provided. I've had 2 kids go through MCPS and I fully appreciate that there are many issues and many opportunities for improvements. But especially for the OP, try to give it a week, at least, before you consign a third-grader you've never met to sociopath status.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone here have any experience with a 8/9 year old "hitter" in their child's class? This boy has hit other classmates the previous school year in 3rd grade, as reported to me by my child, and now on first day back yesterday has slapped a classmate in the face. And he stayed in the class, not sent to the office. Is this acceptable and normal at mcps? It is unknown to me what triggers this child. It frightens me honestly.


It's neither acceptable nor normal, but it does happen. If I extrapolate from what you are saying, I'd guess that this child has some impulse control issues and is not a great fit for a mainstream classroom environment and/or would benefit from a one-on-one aide.

The problem is that moving a child to a more restrictive classroom environment against the will of his parents is extremely difficult, and a one-on-one aide is very expensive and may be impossible to hire in this environment.

Best case scenario is the parents and school working together to find this child a better and more supportive environment, but even then the bureaucracy can take a while.


If a one-on-one would be needed in this environment, it would almost certainly still be needed in a self-contained classroom that provided similar educational opportunities. So it shouldn’t be any more expensive for the school to provide an aide right now. They just don’t want to.


Well, a couple of things.

1) A child who needs a one-on-one aide in a class of 26 might not actually need one in a class of 6.

2) It's a different school in most cases. So, a mainstream ES would have to dedicate an entire para position to one child, which means less recess/lunch/hallway/classroom coverage for the entire rest of the school. That's a huge sacrifice for a school to make for one child, and disadvantages hundreds more. In a school with a self-contained program, those positions are built in.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone here have any experience with a 8/9 year old "hitter" in their child's class? This boy has hit other classmates the previous school year in 3rd grade, as reported to me by my child, and now on first day back yesterday has slapped a classmate in the face. And he stayed in the class, not sent to the office. Is this acceptable and normal at mcps? It is unknown to me what triggers this child. It frightens me honestly.


It's neither acceptable nor normal, but it does happen. If I extrapolate from what you are saying, I'd guess that this child has some impulse control issues and is not a great fit for a mainstream classroom environment and/or would benefit from a one-on-one aide.

The problem is that moving a child to a more restrictive classroom environment against the will of his parents is extremely difficult, and a one-on-one aide is very expensive and may be impossible to hire in this environment.

Best case scenario is the parents and school working together to find this child a better and more supportive environment, but even then the bureaucracy can take a while.


If a one-on-one would be needed in this environment, it would almost certainly still be needed in a self-contained classroom that provided similar educational opportunities. So it shouldn’t be any more expensive for the school to provide an aide right now. They just don’t want to.


Well, a couple of things.

1) A child who needs a one-on-one aide in a class of 26 might not actually need one in a class of 6.

2) It's a different school in most cases. So, a mainstream ES would have to dedicate an entire para position to one child, which means less recess/lunch/hallway/classroom coverage for the entire rest of the school. That's a huge sacrifice for a school to make for one child, and disadvantages hundreds more. In a school with a self-contained program, those positions are built in.


The resources for sped paras come from central anyway. They could just as easily allocate the para funding from the self-contained program to the general education setting.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm so sick of people spewing things like mainstreaming and least restrictive environment is a bad thing. My DC has special needs and is mainstreamed. She has a language-based disability and learning disorders but is the kindest, gentlest kid and a quiet rule follower. She gets a bit of push in support but mostly extra time to do assignments and pull out for speech. She tells me that the assistant teacher who comes in to his classroom (as required in his IEP) usually ends up helping a bunch of kids and assists the main teacher as my DC works independently. She is sometimes the target of bullying but has never caused any disruption ever. She deserves to be in a LRE and mainstreamed and the clueless people spouting blanket statements of hatred of children with disabilities should look at their own kids - they can be mean and disruptive to my child's education. No child should be hitting and throwing things in a classroom - and violence should not be tolerated but give sped kids who are not disruptive a chance!


You need to calm down... if your child can manage in a mainstreamed classroom without unduly monopolizing teacher time (although as a society we could talk about the resources involved in assistants being assigned to individuals), then no one is talking about you and your child. There is a spectrum of needs and there are many, many kids who are in mainstreamed classrooms who should not be. And people should be able to say that. It is detrimental to the education of both those with special needs and those without. Our society should care about that. It is a policy that was attempted and that has gone too far in the direction of accommodating kids who should be in other school settings.


The problem here is that no one knows including OP if this child she is talking about is a child with sn. People just assume because the child is disruptive and hits, he must have sn. Because, you know, kids with sn hit. Kids without sn don’t hit.

The kid who hit my kid did not have sn. Just a run of the mill bully. Should have been removed from the class and put somewhere with all the other non-sn bullies.

Anonymous
Fight for your kid. Be prepared to litigate if you have to. MCPS will not look out for you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone here have any experience with a 8/9 year old "hitter" in their child's class? This boy has hit other classmates the previous school year in 3rd grade, as reported to me by my child, and now on first day back yesterday has slapped a classmate in the face. And he stayed in the class, not sent to the office. Is this acceptable and normal at mcps? It is unknown to me what triggers this child. It frightens me honestly.


It's neither acceptable nor normal, but it does happen. If I extrapolate from what you are saying, I'd guess that this child has some impulse control issues and is not a great fit for a mainstream classroom environment and/or would benefit from a one-on-one aide.

The problem is that moving a child to a more restrictive classroom environment against the will of his parents is extremely difficult, and a one-on-one aide is very expensive and may be impossible to hire in this environment.

Best case scenario is the parents and school working together to find this child a better and more supportive environment, but even then the bureaucracy can take a while.


If a one-on-one would be needed in this environment, it would almost certainly still be needed in a self-contained classroom that provided similar educational opportunities. So it shouldn’t be any more expensive for the school to provide an aide right now. They just don’t want to.


Well, a couple of things.

1) A child who needs a one-on-one aide in a class of 26 might not actually need one in a class of 6.

2) It's a different school in most cases. So, a mainstream ES would have to dedicate an entire para position to one child, which means less recess/lunch/hallway/classroom coverage for the entire rest of the school. That's a huge sacrifice for a school to make for one child, and disadvantages hundreds more. In a school with a self-contained program, those positions are built in.


The resources for sped paras come from central anyway. They could just as easily allocate the para funding from the self-contained program to the general education setting.


I will freely admit that some principals are likely better at making and receiving these requests than others, but my experience is that this only works when a child has a one-to-one aide in their IEP going into the new school year and the paperwork has all been in line since the previous year. More often than not, I've seen this kind of coverage for kids with violent outburst fall onto regular paraprofessionals rather than any sort of specially trained aide.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone here have any experience with a 8/9 year old "hitter" in their child's class? This boy has hit other classmates the previous school year in 3rd grade, as reported to me by my child, and now on first day back yesterday has slapped a classmate in the face. And he stayed in the class, not sent to the office. Is this acceptable and normal at mcps? It is unknown to me what triggers this child. It frightens me honestly.


It's neither acceptable nor normal, but it does happen. If I extrapolate from what you are saying, I'd guess that this child has some impulse control issues and is not a great fit for a mainstream classroom environment and/or would benefit from a one-on-one aide.

The problem is that moving a child to a more restrictive classroom environment against the will of his parents is extremely difficult, and a one-on-one aide is very expensive and may be impossible to hire in this environment.

Best case scenario is the parents and school working together to find this child a better and more supportive environment, but even then the bureaucracy can take a while.


If a one-on-one would be needed in this environment, it would almost certainly still be needed in a self-contained classroom that provided similar educational opportunities. So it shouldn’t be any more expensive for the school to provide an aide right now. They just don’t want to.


Well, a couple of things.

1) A child who needs a one-on-one aide in a class of 26 might not actually need one in a class of 6.

2) It's a different school in most cases. So, a mainstream ES would have to dedicate an entire para position to one child, which means less recess/lunch/hallway/classroom coverage for the entire rest of the school. That's a huge sacrifice for a school to make for one child, and disadvantages hundreds more. In a school with a self-contained program, those positions are built in.


The resources for sped paras come from central anyway. They could just as easily allocate the para funding from the self-contained program to the general education setting.


I will freely admit that some principals are likely better at making and receiving these requests than others, but my experience is that this only works when a child has a one-to-one aide in their IEP going into the new school year and the paperwork has all been in line since the previous year. More often than not, I've seen this kind of coverage for kids with violent outburst fall onto regular paraprofessionals rather than any sort of specially trained aide.


I don’t disagree. I’m just saying the central office is motivated to deny supports, rather than simply preferring to provide them in more restrictive environments. The solution is not to try to get more students into self-contained settings—resources don’t magically appear there either, and you’re kidding yourself if you think the curriculum is equivalent. The solution is to provide the same resources you’re imagining, but in the home school.
Anonymous
File police reports.
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