Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

+1, all the big families I know just get mini vans. Loading little kids into a suburban or similar is actually a pain. I also know people who often have to drive large groups (i.e. church groups) and they get regular vans (not mini) -- they would never get SUVs, which are hard for older people with mobility issues to climb in and out of. Station wagons are great for smaller families and lots of service people -- a friend of mine runs an in-home care company and they have a bunch of Subaru Imprezas for their staff that are perfect for transporting gear for home visits. Contractors, construction workers, others who have to tow a lot of tools and gear are better off with an actual truck.

SUVs, but especially the big ones like the Wagoneer, exist for a customer who simply wants to occupy more space. They want a mobile living room, complete with TVs, and to sit above everyone else on the road and to feel impervious. It has nothing to do with practicality or needing a large vehicle to transport people. It's all selfish desires.

Yeah, but minivans suck.

Respect the Van!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myzwHDf3NhY

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Anonymous wrote:I have a grand wagoneer and love it.

Feel free to stop me and tell me how stupid I am.

What do you love about it vs a Mercedes GLS, bmw x7, even a Range Rover?

Isn't Wagoneer in a different size class than all of these?

It's competing with Suburban, Tahoe, Escalade, etc.

We cross-shopped the GLS, x7, Grand Wagoneer and Big Audi SUV (A7, I think. Didn't like it). The Wagoneer is lager but not by a ton. Slightly smaller, if I recall, than the Suburban. The BMW won out for us but the Grand Wagoneer is a nice vehicle (but, not six figures nice).

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

+1, all the big families I know just get mini vans. Loading little kids into a suburban or similar is actually a pain. I also know people who often have to drive large groups (i.e. church groups) and they get regular vans (not mini) -- they would never get SUVs, which are hard for older people with mobility issues to climb in and out of. Station wagons are great for smaller families and lots of service people -- a friend of mine runs an in-home care company and they have a bunch of Subaru Imprezas for their staff that are perfect for transporting gear for home visits. Contractors, construction workers, others who have to tow a lot of tools and gear are better off with an actual truck.

SUVs, but especially the big ones like the Wagoneer, exist for a customer who simply wants to occupy more space. They want a mobile living room, complete with TVs, and to sit above everyone else on the road and to feel impervious. It has nothing to do with practicality or needing a large vehicle to transport people. It's all selfish desires.

Yeah, but minivans suck.

Agree.

Only if you are shallow and only care about image. If you have 3+ kids and don't have a minivan, I know you care more about image than anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a tax dodge for small biz owners. They get to write off 80% of vehicle price in year 1 against their income.

https://www.jeep.com/wagoneer/section-179-deduction.html

Its this!
The Section 179 tax deduction allows eligible businesses to deduct the cost of machinery and qualifying equipment when filing their taxes. This could be office furniture, technology, supplies, and other tangible items. This includes vehicles. And HEAVY vehicles get a better write off.

Any vehicle with at least 6,000 pounds GVWR but no more than 14,000 pounds (3-7 tons).
This includes many full-size SUVs, commercial vans, and pickup trucks.
For 2023, a vehicle qualifying in the “heavy” category has a Section 179 tax deduction limit of $28,900. However, these autos are eligible for 100% bonus depreciation through the end of 2022. Starting in 2023, the allowable bonus depreciation percentage will decrease to 80%.

But there are still better "heavy SUV's" so not sure why people are choosing Wagoners.

The irony of course is that all the asshats in our neighborhood who own these vehicles all own services firms - political consulting (GOP), SEO marketing, personal financial advisory, law firm partner, etc.

These chucklef#cks are clearly running these behemoth Wagoneers thru their business.

The only reason Jeep introduced this vehicle is to take advantage of the bonus depreciation. They were leaving so much money and market share to GM and Ford for SUV “heavy work vehicles” that really just shlepp rich kids to private schools and their dads to the office. The profit margins on these dump trucks are massive.

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

..and you don't think a minivan is not as large? Go and check one out and report back the size, weight, and MPG. You sound like a miserable, unhappy, spiteful soul. BTW, I don't own an SUV, minivan either. I believe life is about choices and people can spend as they wish....

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

..and you don't think a minivan is not as large? Go and check one out and report back the size, weight, and MPG. You sound like a miserable, unhappy, spiteful soul. BTW, I don't own an SUV, minivan either. I believe life is about choices and people can spend as they wish....

Jesus you're stupid. The specs on a minivan are way different than a dumb SUV. For starters, look up the ground clearance and bumper height. Minivans are way more practical for hauling a stuff + a family and are safer. You can actually see the damn road an pedestrians walking in front of you while driving a minivan. Meanwhile, stupidly sized SUVs are classified as light trucks (why the auto industry loves them because they can skirt safety regs), thefore often have way higher bumper heights that make them stupid for driving with terrible visibility.

[Anonymous]

Here’s a great video about why SUVs are awful and why they are also everywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a great video about why SUVs are awful and why they are also everywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo

All of you folk need to move to Norway. You will just love it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

..and you don't think a minivan is not as large? Go and check one out and report back the size, weight, and MPG. You sound like a miserable, unhappy, spiteful soul. BTW, I don't own an SUV, minivan either. I believe life is about choices and people can spend as they wish....

Jesus you're stupid. The specs on a minivan are way different than a dumb SUV. For starters, look up the ground clearance and bumper height. Minivans are way more practical for hauling a stuff + a family and are safer. You can actually see the damn road an pedestrians walking in front of you while driving a minivan. Meanwhile, stupidly sized SUVs are classified as light trucks (why the auto industry loves them because they can skirt safety regs), thefore often have way higher bumper heights that make them stupid for driving with terrible visibility.

Right. Minivans are WAY more bulky.

And the drivers are all either distracted with screaming kids 3 rows back or trying to drive aggressively to pretend like they aren't some loser in a minivan.

[Anonymous]

Man, people are really worked up over other folks car choices. Who cares?

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Anonymous wrote:Man, people are really worked up over other folks car choices. Who cares?

Because other peoples' idiotic choices unnecessarily kill people, destroy the environment, and cause stupid amounts of traffic and congestion.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, people are really worked up over other folks car choices. Who cares?

Because other peoples' idiotic choices unnecessarily kill people, destroy the environment, and cause stupid amounts of traffic and congestion.

Oh piss off, you sanctimonious tool. You must be so insufferable to be around.

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

..and you don't think a minivan is not as large? Go and check one out and report back the size, weight, and MPG. You sound like a miserable, unhappy, spiteful soul. BTW, I don't own an SUV, minivan either. I believe life is about choices and people can spend as they wish....

Jesus you're stupid. The specs on a minivan are way different than a dumb SUV. For starters, look up the ground clearance and bumper height. Minivans are way more practical for hauling a stuff + a family and are safer. You can actually see the damn road a pedestrians walking in front of you while driving a minivan. Meanwhile, stupidly sized SUVs are classified as light trucks (why the auto industry loves them because they can skirt safety regs), thefore often have way higher bumper heights that make them stupid for driving with terrible visibility.

No you’re stupid. You can’t haul shit in a minivan. Look at their max payload and at their towing. Now gtfo. Minivans suck.

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

..and you don't think a minivan is not as large? Go and check one out and report back the size, weight, and MPG. You sound like a miserable, unhappy, spiteful soul. BTW, I don't own an SUV, minivan either. I believe life is about choices and people can spend as they wish....

Jesus you're stupid. The specs on a minivan are way different than a dumb SUV. For starters, look up the ground clearance and bumper height. Minivans are way more practical for hauling a stuff + a family and are safer. You can actually see the damn road a pedestrians walking in front of you while driving a minivan. Meanwhile, stupidly sized SUVs are classified as light trucks (why the auto industry loves them because they can skirt safety regs), thefore often have way higher bumper heights that make them stupid for driving with terrible visibility.

No you’re stupid. You can’t haul shit in a minivan. Look at their max payload and at their towing. Now gtfo. Minivans suck.

LMAO. As if you truck and SUV idiots max out your towing capacity. Take a look around the DMV you infantile pillock, the most hauling/towing capacity people around here are doing is moving their kids bikes, the latest haul from Target, and some groceries from Costco. You idiots think you need these ridiculously stupid sized vehicles when the most sport and outdoor activities you are doing is hauling your obese arses to Denny's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugliest car ever. Is it just a flex or does anyone like them?

https://www.dulleschryslerdodgejeep.com/new-inventory/index.htm?ddcref=fluency&fca_adid=660692216611&fca_agid=jeepb_nodlr_rtntn_am_i_getting_a_deal_(deals_offers_&fca_campaign=m4_-_am_i_getting_a_deal_-_jeep_new_a&fca_campaign_type=google&fca_channel=paidsearch&fca_digadcid=615069&fca_digadprov=dealerdotcom&fca_keyword=jeep%20offer&fca_mm=dealm&gbraid=0AAAAABJIX88Zwo3-6qFmtuNMfPoxipCLE&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI04zn_ujSgAMVw__jBx1KLAaNEAAYAyAAEgJgofD_BwE&make=Jeep&tcdadid=660692216611&tcdcmpid=615069&tcdkwid=348998951&model=Grand%20Wagoneer

Who died and left you in charge of how others should spend their money? I wouldn’t buy one and don’t care if someone else does so why should you?