States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:States could require the use of standardized testing and codify admissions criteria, including requiring transparency and annual certifications from school officials.

For example, a state could publish an admission grid, wherein applicants are placed into “bands” based on the combination of their standardized scores and grade point averages. They could then allow for other factors to be given a set amount of weight to adjust the ranking in each band based on extracurricular or individual accomplishments. This could be limited to, for example, a 10 or 15 percent step-up from the baseline score in ranking.

Offers of admission would then be based on the ranking, made on a rolling basis downward to fill available seats.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4098712-nuclear-option-have-states-take-over-college-admissions-to-preserve-race-neutrality/

It has never, ever, ever, ever, been either the goal or the mission of a university to fill classes like that. Ever. There is so much more to human knowledge than GPA + test score.

No pain no gain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like some people just want to ban black and brown students from ever attending college (as was the case in the past). That would solve all these issues.

Not at all. Black and brown children are just as smart as white children. The problem is that rather than educating them, school systems are 'gaming' the system by handing out diplomas, and declaring success. That allows substandard schools to continue year after year.

If we had a standardized school leaving exam, failing schools would be exposed. The problem would be very embarrassing to many people, which is the real reason this idea will never happen. Although like you, they will claim to be trying to help black and brown children.

Why are they hiding their true capabilities? Are they being humble??

This is some Pepe the Frog sh-t right here. Shame!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:States could require the use of standardized testing and codify admissions criteria, including requiring transparency and annual certifications from school officials.

For example, a state could publish an admission grid, wherein applicants are placed into “bands” based on the combination of their standardized scores and grade point averages. They could then allow for other factors to be given a set amount of weight to adjust the ranking in each band based on extracurricular or individual accomplishments. This could be limited to, for example, a 10 or 15 percent step-up from the baseline score in ranking.

Offers of admission would then be based on the ranking, made on a rolling basis downward to fill available seats.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4098712-nuclear-option-have-states-take-over-college-admissions-to-preserve-race-neutrality/

It has never, ever, ever, ever, been either the goal or the mission of a university to fill classes like that. Ever. There is so much more to human knowledge than GPA + test score.

I know! And that' what we need to change. What part of that didn't you get after 4 pages?

Amen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like some people just want to ban black and brown students from ever attending college (as was the case in the past). That would solve all these issues.

Not at all. Black and brown children are just as smart as white children. The problem is that rather than educating them, school systems are 'gaming' the system by handing out diplomas, and declaring success. That allows substandard schools to continue year after year.

If we had a standardized school leaving exam, failing schools would be exposed. The problem would be very embarrassing to many people, which is the real reason this idea will never happen. Although like you, they will claim to be trying to help black and brown children.

Why are they hiding their true capabilities? Are they being humble??

This is some Pepe the Frog sh-t right here. Shame!

Especially since I answered that question in what I wrote.

[Anonymous]

I’ll pass on the admissions police. Just accept that the process is imperfect and deal with it - I know some of you don’t want to hear this but admissions decisions do not define your child.

[Anonymous]

Isn’t this “band” thing already a thing? Isn’t it why privileged white parents strive mightily to get their dumb offspring athletic preferences? Get into that lower band but still win the rat race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll pass on the admissions police. Just accept that the process is imperfect and deal with it - I know some of you don’t want to hear this but admissions decisions do not define your child.

Oh, but they really seem to in the DMV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any female wanting this is stupid

Republican plans in states with super majority are going all in against women.

That means your daughters will not be admitted to college over a male. If you don’t think this is coming you have not read the court cases correctly.

Good luck ladies your daughters are on for a hell of a ride educationally and jobs you think moving forward companies won’t make it mandatory to hire a make over a female?

We have no protections … ERA was never passed civil rights going away.

Yep …, consequences of dumb Americans

Are you implying that girls are dumber and therefore don't stand a fair chance against boys? Quite the sexist, aren't you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:States could require the use of standardized testing and codify admissions criteria, including requiring transparency and annual certifications from school officials.

For example, a state could publish an admission grid, wherein applicants are placed into “bands” based on the combination of their standardized scores and grade point averages. They could then allow for other factors to be given a set amount of weight to adjust the ranking in each band based on extracurricular or individual accomplishments. This could be limited to, for example, a 10 or 15 percent step-up from the baseline score in ranking.

Offers of admission would then be based on the ranking, made on a rolling basis downward to fill available seats.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4098712-nuclear-option-have-states-take-over-college-admissions-to-preserve-race-neutrality/

It has never, ever, ever, ever, been either the goal or the mission of a university to fill classes like that. Ever. There is so much more to human knowledge than GPA + test score.

I'm very in favor of using IQ score

Why? My brother is the laziest MF on the planet and he has an IQ of 153. A spot at an elite school (and he graduated from a T10) is wasted on him. Far better to give it to someone with a lower IQ but more drive/grit.

I saw ream of articles about the person with the highest IQ score on the planet. The guy works as a bartender/ bouncers and occasional farm hand. Spend most of his time working on some esoteric theory of everything.

In the meantime the real world needs people that want to work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:State universities could choose this. But privates? Doubtful. Plus, do you really want the govt further involved in admissions?

Privates receive State and Federal funding.

Government can only provide any support to college that comply.

Privates receive federal funding. The ones that receive state funding could easily forgo it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like some people just want to ban black and brown students from ever attending college (as was the case in the past). That would solve all these issues.

Not at all. Black and brown children are just as smart as white children. The problem is that rather than educating them, school systems are 'gaming' the system by handing out diplomas, and declaring success. That allows substandard schools to continue year after year.

If we had a standardized school leaving exam, failing schools would be exposed. The problem would be very embarrassing to many people, which is the real reason this idea will never happen. Although like you, they will claim to be trying to help black and brown children.

Why are they hiding their true capabilities? Are they being humble??

This is some Pepe the Frog sh-t right here. Shame!

Especially since I answered that question in what I wrote.

Lol maybe you don’t write very well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:States could require the use of standardized testing and codify admissions criteria, including requiring transparency and annual certifications from school officials.

For example, a state could publish an admission grid, wherein applicants are placed into “bands” based on the combination of their standardized scores and grade point averages. They could then allow for other factors to be given a set amount of weight to adjust the ranking in each band based on extracurricular or individual accomplishments. This could be limited to, for example, a 10 or 15 percent step-up from the baseline score in ranking.

Offers of admission would then be based on the ranking, made on a rolling basis downward to fill available seats.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4098712-nuclear-option-have-states-take-over-college-admissions-to-preserve-race-neutrality/

It has never, ever, ever, ever, been either the goal or the mission of a university to fill classes like that. Ever. There is so much more to human knowledge than GPA + test score.

I'm very in favor of using IQ score

I'm in favor of scoring grit and determination. Show me someone the can put in work everyday especially when no reward is certain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you begin to standardize GPAs?

My one kid goes to a DCPS high school where he is getting a 4.7 (4.0 unweighted) for pretty much breathing.
My other kid goes to NCS where she has done about 5 times the work of her brother for an unweighted 3.6 (and there is no weighting for honors or APs beyond this and limited APs even offered).

This is why the proposal is stupid. And you likewise cannot compare the SAT of a kid from Sidwell to a kid from DCPS who lives in poverty---you have to consider the advantages one kid has had all their life over the other and the lack of advantages and the life issues the one kid has had to overcome (most likelY).

DP. One problem, in my opinion, is college admission offices attempting to quantify these types of subjective determinations, i.e., assigning a number to things that are inherently not quantifiable. I don't have ideas for other ways to make admission decisions, though my suspicion is that these attempts at quantifying are more problematic than admission offices realize, in a GIGO sort of way.

Because schools are not looking for just a class of 1600/4.0/"perfect ECs and volunteering"---they are looking for the "IT" factor and for kids who are going to go out and change the world. The "go out and change the world" factor is a bit subjective because Harvard might be looking for something different than Stanford or Columbia, etc. Fact remains, the people complaining about all of this are still complaining about NOT getting admission to a school with single digit acceptance rates, where 95% of those who apply are "great candidates". Do the math----tons of highly qualified students will get rejected---it's part of the game of applying to highly rejective schools. Those kids will get into schools ranked slightly lower easily---plenty in the 25-50 range they will get into, sometime with excellent merit. So it's not Harvard or I'm attending my local CC (not that there is anything wrong with that path). People need to get over feeling entitled to attend elite universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:States could require the use of standardized testing and codify admissions criteria, including requiring transparency and annual certifications from school officials.

For example, a state could publish an admission grid, wherein applicants are placed into “bands” based on the combination of their standardized scores and grade point averages. They could then allow for other factors to be given a set amount of weight to adjust the ranking in each band based on extracurricular or individual accomplishments. This could be limited to, for example, a 10 or 15 percent step-up from the baseline score in ranking.

Offers of admission would then be based on the ranking, made on a rolling basis downward to fill available seats.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4098712-nuclear-option-have-states-take-over-college-admissions-to-preserve-race-neutrality/

So, more or less import the Chinese civil service examination policy, where your scores determine your position in life?

Sure. I guess we could do that.

Or most of other countries

So you think it's good to "college track" kids at age 10/11/12? THat's what much of Europe and Asia do. If you do exceptionally well on that test that day, you can be on track for STEM/Premed in college, if you do "adequate" you will be on track for Humanities/social sciences. If you do poorly, you wont even be on the college track.
Do you honestly think that is a good idea? DO you know how many kids find their way (academically and in life) in MS/HS and early college? Can you imagine being told your 11 yo cannot have access to higher level math courses because of a single test when they were 11?

I personally do not think this is a better plan. I want kids to have the opportunity to grow in their teens and find themselves. I know kids who struggled mightily with math and science in ES who are now successful engineering majors---under this plan they would have been relegated to Humanities track. How is that a good thing?!?!?
I know plenty of kids who were so-so in MS/HS and came into their own in college and went onto med school, PHD in STEM, etc. They never would have gotten that chance in the "rest of the world"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:States could require the use of standardized testing and codify admissions criteria, including requiring transparency and annual certifications from school officials.

For example, a state could publish an admission grid, wherein applicants are placed into “bands” based on the combination of their standardized scores and grade point averages. They could then allow for other factors to be given a set amount of weight to adjust the ranking in each band based on extracurricular or individual accomplishments. This could be limited to, for example, a 10 or 15 percent step-up from the baseline score in ranking.

Offers of admission would then be based on the ranking, made on a rolling basis downward to fill available seats.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4098712-nuclear-option-have-states-take-over-college-admissions-to-preserve-race-neutrality/

It has never, ever, ever, ever, been either the goal or the mission of a university to fill classes like that. Ever. There is so much more to human knowledge than GPA + test score.

I'm very in favor of using IQ score

Why? I know some very "smart/High IQ" who have no EQ and no common sense. Schools are looking for the entire package. And fact is, most have determined the SAT/ACT is not relevant to that package. Even for schools that are not TO, most only use test scores as a baseline---MIT just wants to ensure you have the baseline score---but a 750 vs 800 on MATh does not really matter (or whatever the lower number is). They still have tons of highly qualified candidates to choose from once they "look at the math score"---it is not the be all end all for admissions.