Which elementary school has the most diversity?

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Anonymous wrote:Look at silver spring and takoma park

Many of these schools have a nearly even balance racially and include SES diversity.

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Anonymous wrote: I agree that SES trumps race in this county. There are very few schools in MOCO that do not have a lot of diversity. People state that W schools do not, but that’s not actually true. They do have diversity, just not to the level of other schools.

I would target schools with around 35% FARMS rates or lower. Once the school gets closer to 50%, things get a little dicier.

Yes, people say that because the W's are 90%+ wealthy white and Asian.

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Anonymous wrote: I agree that SES trumps race in this county. There are very few schools in MOCO that do not have a lot of diversity. People state that W schools do not, but that’s not actually true. They do have diversity, just not to the level of other schools.

I would target schools with around 35% FARMS rates or lower. Once the school gets closer to 50%, things get a little dicier.

It's interesting how, on this forum, when people are talking about poverty, they don't actually use the words poverty or poor, they say "SES."

County-wide, in 2022-23, 43.8% of students received FARMS. For elementary school students, it's 47.2%. So just mathematically, for every school where 35% or fewer students receive FARMS, there must be a school where more than half of students receive FARMS.

What’s so interesting about that?

Why do people do that?

I personally like using SES vs poverty/poor. It sounds less offensive to me but maybe it's just me.

That makes no sense. "SES" means "socio-economic status." It could be high, low, in-between. Poor means poor.

Pp obviously meant “low” SES. Use common sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at silver spring and takoma park

Many of these schools have a nearly even balance racially and include SES diversity.

"Nearly even"? Not really. Unless you are excluding the percentages of Asian students, which are pretty low at all SS/TP elementary schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I am moving to Maryland soon and I’d like to know which schools have the most diversity. Also, I’m looking for something that has high test scores as well.

Depends what you mean by diverse. My child's school is racially diverse. He's white and 12% of the student population is white. But it also comes with a low SES so it is a pretty miserable school.

Contrast to the very diverse small private school he came from, where he was also a racial minority. But everyone obviously was middle class and higher. That was an amazing experience and I wish we could have continued it.

If I could have changed anything, I would have avoided low SES schools like the plague.

Schools don't have a low socioeconomic status. What you're talking about, is schools where lots of students have parents who didn't go to college and don't earn a lot of money. And yes, it is common for non-poor people to want to segregate themselves from poor people, at least in the US.

Lol. Unlike the rest of the world where rich and poor live together, linking hands and singing uplifting music?

I don't know about linking hands or singing uplifting music, but yes, there are other parts of the world where there is less spatial segregation between rich and poor.

I think MoCo actually is that place, pp.

No real gated communities. Growing low income and immigrant population dispersing throughout the county.

I do think socioeconomics trump race. Like others have said, a rainbow of UMC/affluent kids is fabulous, but a school with majority low income kids isn’t an environment anyone wants for their kids. ICYMI: Latinos are moving out of majority-Latino areas in MoCo precisely because they don’t want to be surrounded by other Latinos—particularly in school. They are moving up county in droves.

There are a lot of Latinos upcounty. If you were a Latino who wanted to move away from other Latinos, upcounty would not be the place to go.

They are moving to Olney, Brookeville, Damascus, and beyond.

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Anonymous wrote: I agree that SES trumps race in this county. There are very few schools in MOCO that do not have a lot of diversity. People state that W schools do not, but that’s not actually true. They do have diversity, just not to the level of other schools.

I would target schools with around 35% FARMS rates or lower. Once the school gets closer to 50%, things get a little dicier.

It's interesting how, on this forum, when people are talking about poverty, they don't actually use the words poverty or poor, they say "SES."

County-wide, in 2022-23, 43.8% of students received FARMS. For elementary school students, it's 47.2%. So just mathematically, for every school where 35% or fewer students receive FARMS, there must be a school where more than half of students receive FARMS.

What’s so interesting about that?

Why do people do that?

I personally like using SES vs poverty/poor. It sounds less offensive to me but maybe it's just me.

That makes no sense. "SES" means "socio-economic status." It could be high, low, in-between. Poor means poor.

Pp obviously meant “low” SES. Use common sense.

It's not uncommon to see posts on this forum where people refer to "the SES students." I think there are a lot of people who believe that "SES" is a euphemism for "poor."

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Anonymous wrote:I am moving to Maryland soon and I’d like to know which schools have the most diversity. Also, I’m looking for something that has high test scores as well.

Depends what you mean by diverse. My child's school is racially diverse. He's white and 12% of the student population is white. But it also comes with a low SES so it is a pretty miserable school.

Contrast to the very diverse small private school he came from, where he was also a racial minority. But everyone obviously was middle class and higher. That was an amazing experience and I wish we could have continued it.

If I could have changed anything, I would have avoided low SES schools like the plague.

Schools don't have a low socioeconomic status. What you're talking about, is schools where lots of students have parents who didn't go to college and don't earn a lot of money. And yes, it is common for non-poor people to want to segregate themselves from poor people, at least in the US.

Lol. Unlike the rest of the world where rich and poor live together, linking hands and singing uplifting music?

I don't know about linking hands or singing uplifting music, but yes, there are other parts of the world where there is less spatial segregation between rich and poor.

I think MoCo actually is that place, pp.

No real gated communities. Growing low income and immigrant population dispersing throughout the county.

I do think socioeconomics trump race. Like others have said, a rainbow of UMC/affluent kids is fabulous, but a school with majority low income kids isn’t an environment anyone wants for their kids. ICYMI: Latinos are moving out of majority-Latino areas in MoCo precisely because they don’t want to be surrounded by other Latinos—particularly in school. They are moving up county in droves.

There are a lot of Latinos upcounty. If you were a Latino who wanted to move away from other Latinos, upcounty would not be the place to go.

They are moving to Olney, Brookeville, Damascus, and beyond.

ICYMI many of the Latinos moving upcounty are 2nd and 3rd generation, with enough income that they are buying 400k townhomes and 700k single family homes. Don’t use race as a proxy for SES (high or low).

OP - the county really has a mix of races, cultures, and SES status everywhere. It is very neighborhood by neighborhood as different areas were developed with different mix usage. There are 25 high schools, of which 5 definitely lean low SES and definitely lean high SES. The middle 15 are a real mix in terms of SES, race, & ELLs. There are students with high academic achievement in all High schools. Each high school offers special programs and has its own culture. Motivated students can be successful in each one. Pick your neighborhood primarily on your commute, access to your preferred activities, and what you can afford. The schools tend to work out after that.

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Anonymous wrote:Rock Creek Forest, on the edge of Chevy Chase and Silver Spring. 35% Hispanic/Latino, 31% White, 22% Black and 6% Asian. It’s also socioeconomically diverse, with some Chevy Chase parents with disposable time and income to give to the school and lower income families who live in the apartments on Grubb. It’s a wonderful community.

32.5% FARMS- right in that sweet spot.

Why is that a sweet spot? Honestly 10% or whatever is better. It’s just the spot where it’s still bearable
-DP

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Anonymous wrote:I am moving to Maryland soon and I’d like to know which schools have the most diversity. Also, I’m looking for something that has high test scores as well.

Depends what you mean by diverse. My child's school is racially diverse. He's white and 12% of the student population is white. But it also comes with a low SES so it is a pretty miserable school.

Contrast to the very diverse small private school he came from, where he was also a racial minority. But everyone obviously was middle class and higher. That was an amazing experience and I wish we could have continued it.

If I could have changed anything, I would have avoided low SES schools like the plague.

Schools don't have a low socioeconomic status. What you're talking about, is schools where lots of students have parents who didn't go to college and don't earn a lot of money. And yes, it is common for non-poor people to want to segregate themselves from poor people, at least in the US.

Lol. Unlike the rest of the world where rich and poor live together, linking hands and singing uplifting music?

I don't know about linking hands or singing uplifting music, but yes, there are other parts of the world where there is less spatial segregation between rich and poor.

I think MoCo actually is that place, pp.

No real gated communities. Growing low income and immigrant population dispersing throughout the county.

I do think socioeconomics trump race. Like others have said, a rainbow of UMC/affluent kids is fabulous, but a school with majority low income kids isn’t an environment anyone wants for their kids. ICYMI: Latinos are moving out of majority-Latino areas in MoCo precisely because they don’t want to be surrounded by other Latinos—particularly in school. They are moving up county in droves.

There are a lot of Latinos upcounty. If you were a Latino who wanted to move away from other Latinos, upcounty would not be the place to go.

They are moving to Olney, Brookeville, Damascus, and beyond.

ICYMI many of the Latinos moving upcounty are 2nd and 3rd generation, with enough income that they are buying 400k townhomes and 700k single family homes. Don’t use race as a proxy for SES (high or low).

OP - the county really has a mix of races, cultures, and SES status everywhere. It is very neighborhood by neighborhood as different areas were developed with different mix usage. There are 25 high schools, of which 5 definitely lean low SES and definitely lean high SES. The middle 15 are a real mix in terms of SES, race, & ELLs. There are students with high academic achievement in all High schools. Each high school offers special programs and has its own culture. Motivated students can be successful in each one. Pick your neighborhood primarily on your commute, access to your preferred activities, and what you can afford. The schools tend to work out after that.

Agreed.

I really don’t think I suggested otherwise.

Fwiw, I think it’s very telling that 1st and 2nd Gen Latinos are fleeing solidly Latino communities in search of whiter neighborhoods.

FTR, we are seeing newcomers moving to these areas as well. Once a social network is established in new areas, others will come. In a matter of a handful of years or so you will see a noticeable shift.

Setting aside SES, race matters when it comes to Latinos because they tend to be evangelical Christians and their religious beliefs impact schools insofar as Halloween and Valentine’s Day activities get tossed out the window since those kids can’t participate in the festivities. These shifts happened down county many years ago but are only coming to a head up county now.

Shrug. It is what it is.

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Hey op: you can search for “at a glance” fact sheets on each mcps school on their site. You’ll see recent data on demographics, farms (which indicates low income), special Ed, test scores, etc.

Search crime rates and sex offender registries by zip code.

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Anonymous wrote:Takoma Park and Silver Spring schools are the most diverse

and then DC

Nope. DC schools are not diverse

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https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/02777.pdf

Is this school diverse?

81.7% Hispanic

High FARMS

This is one of the neighborhoods Latinos are ditching for whiter areas.

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Anonymous wrote:I am moving to Maryland soon and I’d like to know which schools have the most diversity. Also, I’m looking for something that has high test scores as well.

Depends what you mean by diverse. My child's school is racially diverse. He's white and 12% of the student population is white. But it also comes with a low SES so it is a pretty miserable school.

Contrast to the very diverse small private school he came from, where he was also a racial minority. But everyone obviously was middle class and higher. That was an amazing experience and I wish we could have continued it.

If I could have changed anything, I would have avoided low SES schools like the plague.

Schools don't have a low socioeconomic status. What you're talking about, is schools where lots of students have parents who didn't go to college and don't earn a lot of money. And yes, it is common for non-poor people to want to segregate themselves from poor people, at least in the US.

Lol. Unlike the rest of the world where rich and poor live together, linking hands and singing uplifting music?

I don't know about linking hands or singing uplifting music, but yes, there are other parts of the world where there is less spatial segregation between rich and poor.

That’s because the rich frequently employ the poor in their home as domestics. That’s the only reason!!! Everyone i grew up with back home has a driver, two maids and a gardener. It’s just ridiculous that Americans don’t understand the real reasons Poor and rich don’t mix. It just doesn’t work.

Isn't that an example of Poor and rich mixing? So does it work, or doesn't it?

That's an example of employment, not mixing.

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Anonymous wrote:I am moving to Maryland soon and I’d like to know which schools have the most diversity. Also, I’m looking for something that has high test scores as well.

Depends what you mean by diverse. My child's school is racially diverse. He's white and 12% of the student population is white. But it also comes with a low SES so it is a pretty miserable school.

Contrast to the very diverse small private school he came from, where he was also a racial minority. But everyone obviously was middle class and higher. That was an amazing experience and I wish we could have continued it.

If I could have changed anything, I would have avoided low SES schools like the plague.

Schools don't have a low socioeconomic status. What you're talking about, is schools where lots of students have parents who didn't go to college and don't earn a lot of money. And yes, it is common for non-poor people to want to segregate themselves from poor people, at least in the US.

Lol. Unlike the rest of the world where rich and poor live together, linking hands and singing uplifting music?

I don't know about linking hands or singing uplifting music, but yes, there are other parts of the world where there is less spatial segregation between rich and poor.

That’s because the rich frequently employ the poor in their home as domestics. That’s the only reason!!! Everyone i grew up with back home has a driver, two maids and a gardener. It’s just ridiculous that Americans don’t understand the real reasons Poor and rich don’t mix. It just doesn’t work.

Isn't that an example of Poor and rich mixing? So does it work, or doesn't it?

That's an example of employment, not mixing.

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Anonymous wrote:https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/02777.pdf

Is this school diverse?

81.7% Hispanic

High FARMS

This is one of the neighborhoods Latinos are ditching for whiter areas.

No, the student population of Weller Road ES is not diverse.

Your comment is a variation of "it's so crowded, nobody goes there."