Thank God I’m an Atheist

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Especially as a woman. How can you participate in an organization that oppresses you??

Not all religions oppress women.

Which ones don't?
Christianity - yes
Jewdiasm - yes
Islam - yes
Hinduism - maybe not, but I may as well believe in Fairy tales.

First, it's spelled Judaism.

Second, there are different denominations/sects/interpretations of the big three (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) that have different views on gender roles, including denominations/sects/interpretations that promote female leadership/clergy, encourage women to participate actively and fully in religious life, and support/value women generally.

Third, there are lots of other religions that, as you pointed out yourself, you don't know much about. Be more specific in your criticism of religious oppression if you don't want to sound ignorant.

All the fundamental principles of those religions are sexist and meant to control the masses. If anyone has to get down in the weeds to split hairs with you then it is clear you cannot see the forest for the trees. You are the ignorant one.

You are completely wrong, but you will never learn enough to admit it.

Thanks for the judgment..

I was raised Christian. I know enough to know the Nicene Creed, the foundation of the Christian faith. Specifically the part where it states "For us men". Ignoring all the religious text, not just Christian, written in this way means you are pulling the wool over your own eyes. The fact that it has to be discussed what role a woman can/should play in the church. We never discuss the role of men....

Jesus shall sit on the right hand of the Lord to judge the quick and the dead. DCUM shall sit on the other hand and judge everyone all the time. You, Ms. I Have to Justify My Beliefs to Myself, shall never sit to meditate or contemplate your own beliefs, just everyone else's to tell then they're wrong.

Your experience with Christianity is not reflective of all religions or religious beliefs. Plenty of women, myself included, contemplate our own beliefs and our roles in our religious communities. It's not necessary to "get down in the weeds" or "split hairs" to find religion meaningful, empowering, and uplifting of women. Not all religions, certainly, but plenty of them, especially today, include equal roles for women (clergy, lay leadership, etc) and don't preach subservience.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to believe there’s a god who’s all powerful and yet allows so much horror and violence in the world.

That's what finished me.

Horrific child abuse.

A child born with a disability, and then dealing with cancer 4 times before he was even a teenager. Cruelty.

But... free will???? I don't get it, and never will. It's just some pitiful attempt to explain why there is such immense suffering and a god that doesn't do anything to alleviate it. And there isn't an excuse. No afterlife can compensate for some of the suffering I know people have experienced, and most of them don't deserve it. Yet the same people that use the "free will" card will also thank their god for being "blessed" by god in finding their soulmate, or having their layover shortened by 4 hours after praying about it. It's mind boggling, arrogant, self centered, and immoral to me. (these are real life examples of what a christian acquaintance counts as her blessings).

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to believe there’s a god who’s all powerful and yet allows so much horror and violence in the world.

That's what finished me.

Horrific child abuse.

A child born with a disability, and then dealing with cancer 4 times before he was even a teenager. Cruelty.

But... free will???? I don't get it, and never will. It's just some pitiful attempt to explain why there is such immense suffering and a god that doesn't do anything to alleviate it. And there isn't an excuse. No afterlife can compensate for some of the suffering I know people have experienced, and most of them don't deserve it. Yet the same people that use the "free will" card will also thank their god for being "blessed" by god in finding their soulmate, or having their layover shortened by 4 hours after praying about it. It's mind boggling, arrogant, self centered, and immoral to me. (these are real life examples of what a christian acquaintance counts as her blessings).

Yeah, me too, but I don't let it bother me anymore, since I quit believing.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to believe there’s a god who’s all powerful and yet allows so much horror and violence in the world.

That's what finished me.

Horrific child abuse.

A child born with a disability, and then dealing with cancer 4 times before he was even a teenager. Cruelty.

But... free will???? I don't get it, and never will. It's just some pitiful attempt to explain why there is such immense suffering and a god that doesn't do anything to alleviate it. And there isn't an excuse. No afterlife can compensate for some of the suffering I know people have experienced, and most of them don't deserve it. Yet the same people that use the "free will" card will also thank their god for being "blessed" by god in finding their soulmate, or having their layover shortened by 4 hours after praying about it. It's mind boggling, arrogant, self centered, and immoral to me. (these are real life examples of what a christian acquaintance counts as her blessings).

Feeling blessed by God is a way of feeling special and important, especially when the world is not giving you any such indication.

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How interesting, I’m an atheist but I don’t really enjoy it. I find other atheists generally to be extremely tedious and annoying. People who agnostic or adhere to a faith based system are on average much more enjoyable to be around, with the exception of fanatics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How interesting, I’m an atheist but I don’t really enjoy it. I find other atheists generally to be extremely tedious and annoying. People who agnostic or adhere to a faith based system are on average much more enjoyable to be around, with the exception of fanatics.

For your own good, you should hang out only with people whom you find enjoyable, irrespective of their religious beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Especially as a woman. How can you participate in an organization that oppresses you??

Not all religions oppress women.

Which ones don't?
Christianity - yes
Jewdiasm - yes
Islam - yes
Hinduism - maybe not, but I may as well believe in Fairy tales.

First, it's spelled Judaism.

Second, there are different denominations/sects/interpretations of the big three (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) that have different views on gender roles, including denominations/sects/interpretations that promote female leadership/clergy, encourage women to participate actively and fully in religious life, and support/value women generally.

Third, there are lots of other religions that, as you pointed out yourself, you don't know much about. Be more specific in your criticism of religious oppression if you don't want to sound ignorant.

All the fundamental principles of those religions are sexist and meant to control the masses. If anyone has to get down in the weeds to split hairs with you then it is clear you cannot see the forest for the trees. You are the ignorant one.

You are completely wrong, but you will never learn enough to admit it.

Thanks for the judgment..

I was raised Christian. I know enough to know the Nicene Creed, the foundation of the Christian faith. Specifically the part where it states "For us men". Ignoring all the religious text, not just Christian, written in this way means you are pulling the wool over your own eyes. The fact that it has to be discussed what role a woman can/should play in the church. We never discuss the role of men....

Jesus shall sit on the right hand of the Lord to judge the quick and the dead. DCUM shall sit on the other hand and judge everyone all the time. You, Ms. I Have to Justify My Beliefs to Myself, shall never sit to meditate or contemplate your own beliefs, just everyone else's to tell then they're wrong.

Your experience with Christianity is not reflective of all religions or religious beliefs. Plenty of women, myself included, contemplate our own beliefs and our roles in our religious communities. It's not necessary to "get down in the weeds" or "split hairs" to find religion meaningful, empowering, and uplifting of women. Not all religions, certainly, but plenty of them, especially today, include equal roles for women (clergy, lay leadership, etc) and don't preach subservience.

Thr whole concept is founded on the subservience of women. I'm glad you find meaning and power for yourself in religion and feel that it's uplifting. There is a good number of us that cannot forget the foundations of religion and the centuries of oppression. Not to mention all the other death and problems it causes...

...“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
....not exactly what I want for my family.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Especially as a woman. How can you participate in an organization that oppresses you??

Not all religions oppress women.

Which ones don't?
Christianity - yes
Jewdiasm - yes
Islam - yes
Hinduism - maybe not, but I may as well believe in Fairy tales.

First, it's spelled Judaism.

Second, there are different denominations/sects/interpretations of the big three (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) that have different views on gender roles, including denominations/sects/interpretations that promote female leadership/clergy, encourage women to participate actively and fully in religious life, and support/value women generally.

Third, there are lots of other religions that, as you pointed out yourself, you don't know much about. Be more specific in your criticism of religious oppression if you don't want to sound ignorant.

All the fundamental principles of those religions are sexist and meant to control the masses. If anyone has to get down in the weeds to split hairs with you then it is clear you cannot see the forest for the trees. You are the ignorant one.

You are completely wrong, but you will never learn enough to admit it.

Thanks for the judgment..

I was raised Christian. I know enough to know the Nicene Creed, the foundation of the Christian faith. Specifically the part where it states "For us men". Ignoring all the religious text, not just Christian, written in this way means you are pulling the wool over your own eyes. The fact that it has to be discussed what role a woman can/should play in the church. We never discuss the role of men....

Jesus shall sit on the right hand of the Lord to judge the quick and the dead. DCUM shall sit on the other hand and judge everyone all the time. You, Ms. I Have to Justify My Beliefs to Myself, shall never sit to meditate or contemplate your own beliefs, just everyone else's to tell then they're wrong.

Your experience with Christianity is not reflective of all religions or religious beliefs. Plenty of women, myself included, contemplate our own beliefs and our roles in our religious communities. It's not necessary to "get down in the weeds" or "split hairs" to find religion meaningful, empowering, and uplifting of women. Not all religions, certainly, but plenty of them, especially today, include equal roles for women (clergy, lay leadership, etc) and don't preach subservience.

Thr whole concept is founded on the subservience of women. I'm glad you find meaning and power for yourself in religion and feel that it's uplifting. There is a good number of us that cannot forget the foundations of religion and the centuries of oppression. Not to mention all the other death and problems it causes...

...“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
....not exactly what I want for my family.

People generally ignore passages like that in favor of ones that bring comfort.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Especially as a woman. How can you participate in an organization that oppresses you??

Not all religions oppress women.

Which ones don't?
Christianity - yes
Jewdiasm - yes
Islam - yes
Hinduism - maybe not, but I may as well believe in Fairy tales.

First, it's spelled Judaism.

Second, there are different denominations/sects/interpretations of the big three (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) that have different views on gender roles, including denominations/sects/interpretations that promote female leadership/clergy, encourage women to participate actively and fully in religious life, and support/value women generally.

Third, there are lots of other religions that, as you pointed out yourself, you don't know much about. Be more specific in your criticism of religious oppression if you don't want to sound ignorant.

All the fundamental principles of those religions are sexist and meant to control the masses. If anyone has to get down in the weeds to split hairs with you then it is clear you cannot see the forest for the trees. You are the ignorant one.

You are completely wrong, but you will never learn enough to admit it.

Thanks for the judgment..

I was raised Christian. I know enough to know the Nicene Creed, the foundation of the Christian faith. Specifically the part where it states "For us men". Ignoring all the religious text, not just Christian, written in this way means you are pulling the wool over your own eyes. The fact that it has to be discussed what role a woman can/should play in the church. We never discuss the role of men....

Jesus shall sit on the right hand of the Lord to judge the quick and the dead. DCUM shall sit on the other hand and judge everyone all the time. You, Ms. I Have to Justify My Beliefs to Myself, shall never sit to meditate or contemplate your own beliefs, just everyone else's to tell then they're wrong.

Your experience with Christianity is not reflective of all religions or religious beliefs. Plenty of women, myself included, contemplate our own beliefs and our roles in our religious communities. It's not necessary to "get down in the weeds" or "split hairs" to find religion meaningful, empowering, and uplifting of women. Not all religions, certainly, but plenty of them, especially today, include equal roles for women (clergy, lay leadership, etc) and don't preach subservience.

Thr whole concept is founded on the subservience of women. I'm glad you find meaning and power for yourself in religion and feel that it's uplifting. There is a good number of us that cannot forget the foundations of religion and the centuries of oppression. Not to mention all the other death and problems it causes...

...“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
....not exactly what I want for my family.

Again, not all religions are Christianity.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Especially as a woman. How can you participate in an organization that oppresses you??

Not all religions oppress women.

Which ones don't?
Christianity - yes
Jewdiasm - yes
Islam - yes
Hinduism - maybe not, but I may as well believe in Fairy tales.

First, it's spelled Judaism.

Second, there are different denominations/sects/interpretations of the big three (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) that have different views on gender roles, including denominations/sects/interpretations that promote female leadership/clergy, encourage women to participate actively and fully in religious life, and support/value women generally.

Third, there are lots of other religions that, as you pointed out yourself, you don't know much about. Be more specific in your criticism of religious oppression if you don't want to sound ignorant.

All the fundamental principles of those religions are sexist and meant to control the masses. If anyone has to get down in the weeds to split hairs with you then it is clear you cannot see the forest for the trees. You are the ignorant one.

You are completely wrong, but you will never learn enough to admit it.

Thanks for the judgment..

I was raised Christian. I know enough to know the Nicene Creed, the foundation of the Christian faith. Specifically the part where it states "For us men". Ignoring all the religious text, not just Christian, written in this way means you are pulling the wool over your own eyes. The fact that it has to be discussed what role a woman can/should play in the church. We never discuss the role of men....

Jesus shall sit on the right hand of the Lord to judge the quick and the dead. DCUM shall sit on the other hand and judge everyone all the time. You, Ms. I Have to Justify My Beliefs to Myself, shall never sit to meditate or contemplate your own beliefs, just everyone else's to tell then they're wrong.

Your experience with Christianity is not reflective of all religions or religious beliefs. Plenty of women, myself included, contemplate our own beliefs and our roles in our religious communities. It's not necessary to "get down in the weeds" or "split hairs" to find religion meaningful, empowering, and uplifting of women. Not all religions, certainly, but plenty of them, especially today, include equal roles for women (clergy, lay leadership, etc) and don't preach subservience.

Thr whole concept is founded on the subservience of women. I'm glad you find meaning and power for yourself in religion and feel that it's uplifting. There is a good number of us that cannot forget the foundations of religion and the centuries of oppression. Not to mention all the other death and problems it causes...

...“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
....not exactly what I want for my family.

Again, not all religions are Christianity.

Which religions are superior to Christianity, in your opinion?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Especially as a woman. How can you participate in an organization that oppresses you??

Not all religions oppress women.

Which ones don't?
Christianity - yes
Jewdiasm - yes
Islam - yes
Hinduism - maybe not, but I may as well believe in Fairy tales.

First, it's spelled Judaism.

Second, there are different denominations/sects/interpretations of the big three (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) that have different views on gender roles, including denominations/sects/interpretations that promote female leadership/clergy, encourage women to participate actively and fully in religious life, and support/value women generally.

Third, there are lots of other religions that, as you pointed out yourself, you don't know much about. Be more specific in your criticism of religious oppression if you don't want to sound ignorant.

All the fundamental principles of those religions are sexist and meant to control the masses. If anyone has to get down in the weeds to split hairs with you then it is clear you cannot see the forest for the trees. You are the ignorant one.

You are completely wrong, but you will never learn enough to admit it.

Thanks for the judgment..

I was raised Christian. I know enough to know the Nicene Creed, the foundation of the Christian faith. Specifically the part where it states "For us men". Ignoring all the religious text, not just Christian, written in this way means you are pulling the wool over your own eyes. The fact that it has to be discussed what role a woman can/should play in the church. We never discuss the role of men....

Jesus shall sit on the right hand of the Lord to judge the quick and the dead. DCUM shall sit on the other hand and judge everyone all the time. You, Ms. I Have to Justify My Beliefs to Myself, shall never sit to meditate or contemplate your own beliefs, just everyone else's to tell then they're wrong.

Your experience with Christianity is not reflective of all religions or religious beliefs. Plenty of women, myself included, contemplate our own beliefs and our roles in our religious communities. It's not necessary to "get down in the weeds" or "split hairs" to find religion meaningful, empowering, and uplifting of women. Not all religions, certainly, but plenty of them, especially today, include equal roles for women (clergy, lay leadership, etc) and don't preach subservience.

Thr whole concept is founded on the subservience of women. I'm glad you find meaning and power for yourself in religion and feel that it's uplifting. There is a good number of us that cannot forget the foundations of religion and the centuries of oppression. Not to mention all the other death and problems it causes...

...“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
....not exactly what I want for my family.

Again, not all religions are Christianity.

Which religions are superior to Christianity, in your opinion?

I didn't make a value judgement about the superiority or inferiority of any religion. Just pointing out that the Book of Matthew (a Christian text) and the history of Christianity generally is not the foundation of all religions. And regardless, we aren't living in the foundational times of most world religions. The foundation of marriage was the subservience of the wife to her husband. The foundation of the US was (let's say partially) slavery. But most of us can be happily married in an egalitarian partnership without endorsing the subservience of women to men, and most of us can be patriotic Americans without endorsing slavery and oppression. Imagine what life would be like if people and institutions weren't allowed to change and grow and become better. Change and growth are an integral part of life.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Especially as a woman. How can you participate in an organization that oppresses you??

Not all religions oppress women.

Which ones don't?
Christianity - yes
Jewdiasm - yes
Islam - yes
Hinduism - maybe not, but I may as well believe in Fairy tales.

First, it's spelled Judaism.

Second, there are different denominations/sects/interpretations of the big three (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) that have different views on gender roles, including denominations/sects/interpretations that promote female leadership/clergy, encourage women to participate actively and fully in religious life, and support/value women generally.

Third, there are lots of other religions that, as you pointed out yourself, you don't know much about. Be more specific in your criticism of religious oppression if you don't want to sound ignorant.

All the fundamental principles of those religions are sexist and meant to control the masses. If anyone has to get down in the weeds to split hairs with you then it is clear you cannot see the forest for the trees. You are the ignorant one.

You are completely wrong, but you will never learn enough to admit it.

Thanks for the judgment..

I was raised Christian. I know enough to know the Nicene Creed, the foundation of the Christian faith. Specifically the part where it states "For us men". Ignoring all the religious text, not just Christian, written in this way means you are pulling the wool over your own eyes. The fact that it has to be discussed what role a woman can/should play in the church. We never discuss the role of men....

Jesus shall sit on the right hand of the Lord to judge the quick and the dead. DCUM shall sit on the other hand and judge everyone all the time. You, Ms. I Have to Justify My Beliefs to Myself, shall never sit to meditate or contemplate your own beliefs, just everyone else's to tell then they're wrong.

Your experience with Christianity is not reflective of all religions or religious beliefs. Plenty of women, myself included, contemplate our own beliefs and our roles in our religious communities. It's not necessary to "get down in the weeds" or "split hairs" to find religion meaningful, empowering, and uplifting of women. Not all religions, certainly, but plenty of them, especially today, include equal roles for women (clergy, lay leadership, etc) and don't preach subservience.

Thr whole concept is founded on the subservience of women. I'm glad you find meaning and power for yourself in religion and feel that it's uplifting. There is a good number of us that cannot forget the foundations of religion and the centuries of oppression. Not to mention all the other death and problems it causes...

...“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
....not exactly what I want for my family.

Again, not all religions are Christianity.

Which religions are superior to Christianity, in your opinion?

I didn't make a value judgement about the superiority or inferiority of any religion. Just pointing out that the Book of Matthew (a Christian text) and the history of Christianity generally is not the foundation of all religions. And regardless, we aren't living in the foundational times of most world religions. The foundation of marriage was the subservience of the wife to her husband. The foundation of the US was (let's say partially) slavery. But most of us can be happily married in an egalitarian partnership without endorsing the subservience of women to men, and most of us can be patriotic Americans without endorsing slavery and oppression. Imagine what life would be like if people and institutions weren't allowed to change and grow and become better. Change and growth are an integral part of life.

So you are saying Christianity should grow and get better? Or Christianity can't grow and get better?

Please do share which major religion doesn't have the oppression of women as core component of either its foundation or implementation. You can't. Even religions which may to casual observers appear to be less sexist like Buddhism and Shinto define women's role to be in subordination to men. Of course modern mainstream atheism is not much better - the sexism there has been widely documented.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Especially as a woman. How can you participate in an organization that oppresses you??

Not all religions oppress women.

Which ones don't?
Christianity - yes
Jewdiasm - yes
Islam - yes
Hinduism - maybe not, but I may as well believe in Fairy tales.

First, it's spelled Judaism.

Second, there are different denominations/sects/interpretations of the big three (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) that have different views on gender roles, including denominations/sects/interpretations that promote female leadership/clergy, encourage women to participate actively and fully in religious life, and support/value women generally.

Third, there are lots of other religions that, as you pointed out yourself, you don't know much about. Be more specific in your criticism of religious oppression if you don't want to sound ignorant.

All the fundamental principles of those religions are sexist and meant to control the masses. If anyone has to get down in the weeds to split hairs with you then it is clear you cannot see the forest for the trees. You are the ignorant one.

You are completely wrong, but you will never learn enough to admit it.

Thanks for the judgment..

I was raised Christian. I know enough to know the Nicene Creed, the foundation of the Christian faith. Specifically the part where it states "For us men". Ignoring all the religious text, not just Christian, written in this way means you are pulling the wool over your own eyes. The fact that it has to be discussed what role a woman can/should play in the church. We never discuss the role of men....

Jesus shall sit on the right hand of the Lord to judge the quick and the dead. DCUM shall sit on the other hand and judge everyone all the time. You, Ms. I Have to Justify My Beliefs to Myself, shall never sit to meditate or contemplate your own beliefs, just everyone else's to tell then they're wrong.

Your experience with Christianity is not reflective of all religions or religious beliefs. Plenty of women, myself included, contemplate our own beliefs and our roles in our religious communities. It's not necessary to "get down in the weeds" or "split hairs" to find religion meaningful, empowering, and uplifting of women. Not all religions, certainly, but plenty of them, especially today, include equal roles for women (clergy, lay leadership, etc) and don't preach subservience.

Thr whole concept is founded on the subservience of women. I'm glad you find meaning and power for yourself in religion and feel that it's uplifting. There is a good number of us that cannot forget the foundations of religion and the centuries of oppression. Not to mention all the other death and problems it causes...

...“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
....not exactly what I want for my family.

Again, not all religions are Christianity.

Which religions are superior to Christianity, in your opinion?

I didn't make a value judgement about the superiority or inferiority of any religion. Just pointing out that the Book of Matthew (a Christian text) and the history of Christianity generally is not the foundation of all religions. And regardless, we aren't living in the foundational times of most world religions. The foundation of marriage was the subservience of the wife to her husband. The foundation of the US was (let's say partially) slavery. But most of us can be happily married in an egalitarian partnership without endorsing the subservience of women to men, and most of us can be patriotic Americans without endorsing slavery and oppression. Imagine what life would be like if people and institutions weren't allowed to change and grow and become better. Change and growth are an integral part of life.

So you are saying Christianity should grow and get better? Or Christianity can't grow and get better?

Please do share which major religion doesn't have the oppression of women as core component of either its foundation or implementation. You can't. Even religions which may to casual observers appear to be less sexist like Buddhism and Shinto define women's role to be in subordination to men. Of course modern mainstream atheism is not much better - the sexism there has been widely documented.

I'm not familiar with every religion, so I can't give you an exhaustive list of those that aren't oppressive to women. I'm saying there are branches of modern Christianity that do not oppress women in their current practice (or implementation, as you call it). There are branches of Judaism that don't oppress women. I'm sure there are others with which I'm less familiar. Pulling out quotes from any religion's texts that are oppressive doesn't tell you whether that line is emphasized in today's practice, or whether the views of the religion have changed.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Especially as a woman. How can you participate in an organization that oppresses you??

Not all religions oppress women.

Which ones don't?
Christianity - yes
Jewdiasm - yes
Islam - yes
Hinduism - maybe not, but I may as well believe in Fairy tales.

First, it's spelled Judaism.

Second, there are different denominations/sects/interpretations of the big three (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) that have different views on gender roles, including denominations/sects/interpretations that promote female leadership/clergy, encourage women to participate actively and fully in religious life, and support/value women generally.

Third, there are lots of other religions that, as you pointed out yourself, you don't know much about. Be more specific in your criticism of religious oppression if you don't want to sound ignorant.

All the fundamental principles of those religions are sexist and meant to control the masses. If anyone has to get down in the weeds to split hairs with you then it is clear you cannot see the forest for the trees. You are the ignorant one.

You are completely wrong, but you will never learn enough to admit it.

Thanks for the judgment..

I was raised Christian. I know enough to know the Nicene Creed, the foundation of the Christian faith. Specifically the part where it states "For us men". Ignoring all the religious text, not just Christian, written in this way means you are pulling the wool over your own eyes. The fact that it has to be discussed what role a woman can/should play in the church. We never discuss the role of men....

Jesus shall sit on the right hand of the Lord to judge the quick and the dead. DCUM shall sit on the other hand and judge everyone all the time. You, Ms. I Have to Justify My Beliefs to Myself, shall never sit to meditate or contemplate your own beliefs, just everyone else's to tell then they're wrong.

Your experience with Christianity is not reflective of all religions or religious beliefs. Plenty of women, myself included, contemplate our own beliefs and our roles in our religious communities. It's not necessary to "get down in the weeds" or "split hairs" to find religion meaningful, empowering, and uplifting of women. Not all religions, certainly, but plenty of them, especially today, include equal roles for women (clergy, lay leadership, etc) and don't preach subservience.

Thr whole concept is founded on the subservience of women. I'm glad you find meaning and power for yourself in religion and feel that it's uplifting. There is a good number of us that cannot forget the foundations of religion and the centuries of oppression. Not to mention all the other death and problems it causes...

...“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
....not exactly what I want for my family.

Again, not all religions are Christianity.

Which religions are superior to Christianity, in your opinion?

I didn't make a value judgement about the superiority or inferiority of any religion. Just pointing out that the Book of Matthew (a Christian text) and the history of Christianity generally is not the foundation of all religions. And regardless, we aren't living in the foundational times of most world religions. The foundation of marriage was the subservience of the wife to her husband. The foundation of the US was (let's say partially) slavery. But most of us can be happily married in an egalitarian partnership without endorsing the subservience of women to men, and most of us can be patriotic Americans without endorsing slavery and oppression. Imagine what life would be like if people and institutions weren't allowed to change and grow and become better. Change and growth are an integral part of life.

So you are saying Christianity should grow and get better? Or Christianity can't grow and get better?

Please do share which major religion doesn't have the oppression of women as core component of either its foundation or implementation. You can't. Even religions which may to casual observers appear to be less sexist like Buddhism and Shinto define women's role to be in subordination to men. Of course modern mainstream atheism is not much better - the sexism there has been widely documented.

I'm not familiar with every religion, so I can't give you an exhaustive list of those that aren't oppressive to women. I'm saying there are branches of modern Christianity that do not oppress women in their current practice (or implementation, as you call it). There are branches of Judaism that don't oppress women. I'm sure there are others with which I'm less familiar. Pulling out quotes from any religion's texts that are oppressive doesn't tell you whether that line is emphasized in today's practice, or whether the views of the religion have changed.

Many religions have changed with the times, regarding women's rights. It's not so long ago that women were not allowed to be clergy. The Catholic Church still does not allow it.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Especially as a woman. How can you participate in an organization that oppresses you??

Not all religions oppress women.

Which ones don't?
Christianity - yes
Jewdiasm - yes
Islam - yes
Hinduism - maybe not, but I may as well believe in Fairy tales.

First, it's spelled Judaism.

Second, there are different denominations/sects/interpretations of the big three (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) that have different views on gender roles, including denominations/sects/interpretations that promote female leadership/clergy, encourage women to participate actively and fully in religious life, and support/value women generally.

Third, there are lots of other religions that, as you pointed out yourself, you don't know much about. Be more specific in your criticism of religious oppression if you don't want to sound ignorant.

All the fundamental principles of those religions are sexist and meant to control the masses. If anyone has to get down in the weeds to split hairs with you then it is clear you cannot see the forest for the trees. You are the ignorant one.

You are completely wrong, but you will never learn enough to admit it.

Thanks for the judgment..

I was raised Christian. I know enough to know the Nicene Creed, the foundation of the Christian faith. Specifically the part where it states "For us men". Ignoring all the religious text, not just Christian, written in this way means you are pulling the wool over your own eyes. The fact that it has to be discussed what role a woman can/should play in the church. We never discuss the role of men....

Jesus shall sit on the right hand of the Lord to judge the quick and the dead. DCUM shall sit on the other hand and judge everyone all the time. You, Ms. I Have to Justify My Beliefs to Myself, shall never sit to meditate or contemplate your own beliefs, just everyone else's to tell then they're wrong.

Your experience with Christianity is not reflective of all religions or religious beliefs. Plenty of women, myself included, contemplate our own beliefs and our roles in our religious communities. It's not necessary to "get down in the weeds" or "split hairs" to find religion meaningful, empowering, and uplifting of women. Not all religions, certainly, but plenty of them, especially today, include equal roles for women (clergy, lay leadership, etc) and don't preach subservience.

Thr whole concept is founded on the subservience of women. I'm glad you find meaning and power for yourself in religion and feel that it's uplifting. There is a good number of us that cannot forget the foundations of religion and the centuries of oppression. Not to mention all the other death and problems it causes...

...“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
....not exactly what I want for my family.

Again, not all religions are Christianity.

True. But they all have BS just like this!