Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?

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Anonymous wrote:The divorce rate is quite low for couples who are both college-educated and married after age 25. Citing to risk of divorce based on the general population is not relevant to the typical DCUM couple.

The marriage rate for that demographic is low too, this less divorces.

But as a man, your college educated wife is 90% likely to initiate the divorce.

The risk vs reward isn’t favorable for men, especially wealthier men. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Most women are statistically chasing after the top 10% of men. Those men can and will choose who they commit to. Unless you’re a top tier woman and a genuine 8-10 (lets be hue at most women are NOT) then you’re likely to be part of the 54% of women who will be single and childless forget by 2030

Hold on. You actually think 90% of college educated married women end up initiating divorce? Explain yourself.

Also, no, women do not chase 10% of men. This has been debunked many times. Women are very realistic about who they date.

It is the statistic but it's misleading because someone initiating papers does not mean they are taking you for a ride. More than likely high status men have given up on the marriage because of better offers and basically want polygamy and the wife doesn't want it. It's the high status man holding the cards and the woman having only the divorce filing as the card they can use. The person who files is the person who feels this is the only way they can get some control in the situation. It doesn't mean they are the one who always has had control in the marriage.

That’s a lot of mental gymnastics there, you get a bronze medal.

Most women imitate divorce because “they’re not happy”. I’m fact that’s the top reason. Not infidelity - which by all stats now is pretty much the same for men and women.

So a man risks his career, wealth and assets to marry someone who can break the contract because “she’s not happy”. Ok, well they the best thing to do as a high stays man is to keep a roster and not marry. They will always have women willing to date them and so why not? I mean women would gladly be one if a few women sleeping with a rich high status man then the object of affection of one man who works at like a Home Depot….history has shown this to be true time and time again.

As stated, loss of wealth, family and of course emotional health is enough reason for men to boycott marriage entirely

Boom! Exactly, +1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Quality women will demand marriage.

And quality men will say take a hike and Scooby Do wise "rots of ruck".

Nah, quality men want quality women and vice versa. They usually find eachother, have happy marriages, and don't get divorced.

Really? I’d say they do. Beezos and Gates sure did.

Most people aren’t getting married and the rate has dropped 60%.

Quality men will get married but more and more are checking out. There are few high quality women in the US who are worthy of marriage. Just a basic look on social media or a dating site shows most fall into a low quality to ONS tier. For the top tier men this is fine as they can be choosy as 95% of women are matching them.

Polls show 65% of men 25-34 aren’t even looking for relationships.

If you know this about dating sites and social media, you don't know what quality is, i.e., you are low quality.

Plus, the super wealthy have a different code because they have a different psyche to get them there. Those are not the people on DCUM reading this. The wealthy/high quality here are most likely happily married for 15+ years - rich, but not invited to Bezo's annual BBQ.

Most people on DCUM, like the DC crowd and the suburbanites in NoVA and MD are largely out of touch with most of real America anyways. People get married here and stay because of politics. I personally know people who are in office and up for reelection who are “married” but living in separate rooms while the kid sleeps with the mom. The reason? It’s appearance and career. No other reason, they’re roommates and have no connection. I know others who live like this too even though they’re not elected officials.

So yeah the “average DCUM” poster is just living more if a lie because of optics.

But the stats don’t lie, as a wealthy or at least upper-middle class man ir above being married offers little to no benefits.

It’s pretty clear you’re both old and poor which is why you know nothing about what modern rich men are doing. Keep bellyaching about the mistreatment of men with no money or status but it’s not relevant in this thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Quality women will demand marriage.

And quality men will say take a hike and Scooby Do wise "rots of ruck".

Nah, quality men want quality women and vice versa. They usually find eachother, have happy marriages, and don't get divorced.

Really? I’d say they do. Beezos and Gates sure did.

Most people aren’t getting married and the rate has dropped 60%.

Quality men will get married but more and more are checking out. There are few high quality women in the US who are worthy of marriage. Just a basic look on social media or a dating site shows most fall into a low quality to ONS tier. For the top tier men this is fine as they can be choosy as 95% of women are matching them.

Polls show 65% of men 25-34 aren’t even looking for relationships.

If you know this about dating sites and social media, you don't know what quality is, i.e., you are low quality.

Plus, the super wealthy have a different code because they have a different psyche to get them there. Those are not the people on DCUM reading this. The wealthy/high quality here are most likely happily married for 15+ years - rich, but not invited to Bezo's annual BBQ.

Most people on DCUM, like the DC crowd and the suburbanites in NoVA and MD are largely out of touch with most of real America anyways. People get married here and stay because of politics. I personally know people who are in office and up for reelection who are “married” but living in separate rooms while the kid sleeps with the mom. The reason? It’s appearance and career. No other reason, they’re roommates and have no connection. I know others who live like this too even though they’re not elected officials.

So yeah the “average DCUM” poster is just living more if a lie because of optics.

But the stats don’t lie, as a wealthy or at least upper-middle class man ir above being married offers little to no benefits.

It’s pretty clear you’re both old and poor which is why you know nothing about what modern rich men are doing. Keep bellyaching about the mistreatment of men with no money or status but it’s not relevant in this thread.

I’m e again, this comment shows the elitist and out of touch ignorance most DCUM posters and DC area people.

There is a lot of wealth outside of this area but most are out of touch with reality. Most if the comments here DCUM show this honestly.

But more to the point, being poor or rich doesn’t matter. Most high stays men will see no value from marriage, and this is speaking from someone who lives in the area and is doing pretty well.

As far as the general population - which is what the tread is really about - it’s not beneficial for men to get married with very high divorce rates, women initiating 70-90% of divorces and men losing their wealth and suffering higher rates of suicide and depression than their single male counterparts.

Having lived in this area most of my life was Bach definitely say there are very few high value women worthy of marriage let alone marriage to someone of higher status. There’s plenty that meet the criteria of short-term relationships and ONS, and that’s putting the short-term into a non-committed category excluding any sort of exclusivity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Quality women will demand marriage.

And quality men will say take a hike and Scooby Do wise "rots of ruck".

Nah, quality men want quality women and vice versa. They usually find eachother, have happy marriages, and don't get divorced.

Really? I’d say they do. Beezos and Gates sure did.

Most people aren’t getting married and the rate has dropped 60%.

Quality men will get married but more and more are checking out. There are few high quality women in the US who are worthy of marriage. Just a basic look on social media or a dating site shows most fall into a low quality to ONS tier. For the top tier men this is fine as they can be choosy as 95% of women are matching them.

Polls show 65% of men 25-34 aren’t even looking for relationships.

If you know this about dating sites and social media, you don't know what quality is, i.e., you are low quality.

Plus, the super wealthy have a different code because they have a different psyche to get them there. Those are not the people on DCUM reading this. The wealthy/high quality here are most likely happily married for 15+ years - rich, but not invited to Bezo's annual BBQ.

Most people on DCUM, like the DC crowd and the suburbanites in NoVA and MD are largely out of touch with most of real America anyways. People get married here and stay because of politics. I personally know people who are in office and up for reelection who are “married” but living in separate rooms while the kid sleeps with the mom. The reason? It’s appearance and career. No other reason, they’re roommates and have no connection. I know others who live like this too even though they’re not elected officials.

So yeah the “average DCUM” poster is just living more if a lie because of optics.

But the stats don’t lie, as a wealthy or at least upper-middle class man ir above being married offers little to no benefits.

It’s pretty clear you’re both old and poor which is why you know nothing about what modern rich men are doing. Keep bellyaching about the mistreatment of men with no money or status but it’s not relevant in this thread.

I’m e again, this comment shows the elitist and out of touch ignorance most DCUM posters and DC area people.

There is a lot of wealth outside of this area but most are out of touch with reality. Most if the comments here DCUM show this honestly.

But more to the point, being poor or rich doesn’t matter. Most high stays men will see no value from marriage, and this is speaking from someone who lives in the area and is doing pretty well.

As far as the general population - which is what the tread is really about - it’s not beneficial for men to get married with very high divorce rates, women initiating 70-90% of divorces and men losing their wealth and suffering higher rates of suicide and depression than their single male counterparts.

Having lived in this area most of my life was Bach definitely say there are very few high value women worthy of marriage let alone marriage to someone of higher status. There’s plenty that meet the criteria of short-term relationships and ONS, and that’s putting the short-term into a non-committed category excluding any sort of exclusivity.

Agreed. And trying to reason with most DCUMers is an exercise in futility.

[Anonymous]

This thread is great. I always want to caution women against marrying a man who isn't head over heels for them and willing to work for a good marriage because eventually those men will just become dead weight. Looks like a lot of men like that are just taking themselves out of the running anyway!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely it is.

Whenever I hear people lost benefits on why people should get married I point to how they’re outweighed by the HUGE risk of divorce. All of those "benefits" are a moot point as once you're divorced you will end up paying CS and in some cases alimony.

In a lot of cases the government makes money off of your CS so it encourages them to hit you with the highest possible amount as possible. Top that off by the fact 80% of divorces are initiated by women (90% of college educated) there is too much risk. If you're a man who has built his empire and worked hard, it's put at risk as soon as you marry.

I've seen men lose their businesses, livelihoods and in some cases built a house for their wife, (who cheated on him) and he lost it. I have friends that have lived out of a box eating Ramen for years because of being taken to the cleaners. You're 3-4 times more likely to commit suicide as a man, it jumps up to 9 times if you're a divorced man. You lose access to you home, your kids and get your income stolen from you. There is no "traditional" women anymore. At the end of the day the state encourages them to divorce and these women are just using the tools put in front of them to take advantage of it. Only 11 or 12 states have 50/50 by default for custody. It should be 50


At the end of the day - as a man - no one will help you, no one cares about you or will have any empathy for you. You have to look out for yourself and the best way to do that is to take minimal risks that will destroy your livelihood. Society has shown it has utter disdain for men; best thing you can do for yourselves is to not play a game where the odds are not in your favor. Not only are they stacked against you, you have people actively looking to make you lose everything. I've had friends where their ex-wives divorce lawyers put restraining orders and make false claims of abuse to just to ensure they win. And I say had, because at least one of them ended his life based on these allegations and think is ex-wife gives a shit the actions she pulled led to him unaliving himself? Nope, she gets his life insurance and will be banging a new guy in a month.

This is wild. Where do you live that you’ve experienced this?

I live in an UMC community (likely all college educated) and don’t know anyone who fits your description. I have one friend who married after college and divorced for cheating, but that’s it.

Many UMC couples don’t divorce these days because everyone gets 50/50. Most women don’t want to give up custody so they stick with the miserable dude.

Also from what you describe, it’s men who might have the problem. Not marriage! You know the gender responsible for almost all violence on earth.

True, if 50/50 is forced and everyone knows (but court doesn’t care) that one parent will ignore and neglect actual parenting, the wife will stay until the last kids graduates and then gray divorce.

All parties stay miserable then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is great. I always want to caution women against marrying a man who isn't head over heels for them and willing to work for a good marriage because eventually those men will just become dead weight. Looks like a lot of men like that are just taking themselves out of the running anyway!

Actually the men here just want to eliminate useless & exploitive lazy women marrying for $$.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is great. I always want to caution women against marrying a man who isn't head over heels for them and willing to work for a good marriage because eventually those men will just become dead weight. Looks like a lot of men like that are just taking themselves out of the running anyway!

Actually the men here just want to eliminate useless & exploitive lazy women marrying for $$.

Well, sorry to burst your bubble but those college-educated women who are divorcing because they aren’t happy aren’t “useless exploitative lazy women marrying for money.” They are typically unhappy because they have asked their husbands a million times, for years, in a hundred different ways for them to do more chores and more romance and affection. You’re not going to avoid divorce just by avoiding gold diggers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is great. I always want to caution women against marrying a man who isn't head over heels for them and willing to work for a good marriage because eventually those men will just become dead weight. Looks like a lot of men like that are just taking themselves out of the running anyway!

Actually the men here just want to eliminate useless & exploitive lazy women marrying for $$.

Well, sorry to burst your bubble but those college-educated women who are divorcing because they aren’t happy aren’t “useless exploitative lazy women marrying for money.” They are typically unhappy because they have asked their husbands a million times, for years, in a hundred different ways for them to do more chores and more romance and affection. You’re not going to avoid divorce just by avoiding gold diggers.

Understood and not saying many men are not to blame for relationship failures or divorce.
I'm just commenting that most men who have $$ are mitigating a significant risk that they see per the subject. Risk vs.reward is most times is out of balance.

[Anonymous]

This thread is pathetic. It’s just the same dude posting and sock puppeting all the time. Prob is OP.
So boring.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The divorce rate is quite low for couples who are both college-educated and married after age 25. Citing to risk of divorce based on the general population is not relevant to the typical DCUM couple.

The marriage rate for that demographic is low too, this less divorces.

But as a man, your college educated wife is 90% likely to initiate the divorce.

The risk vs reward isn’t favorable for men, especially wealthier men. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Most women are statistically chasing after the top 10% of men. Those men can and will choose who they commit to. Unless you’re a top tier woman and a genuine 8-10 (lets be hue at most women are NOT) then you’re likely to be part of the 54% of women who will be single and childless forget by 2030

Hold on. You actually think 90% of college educated married women end up initiating divorce? Explain yourself.

Also, no, women do not chase 10% of men. This has been debunked many times. Women are very realistic about who they date.

It is the statistic but it's misleading because someone initiating papers does not mean they are taking you for a ride. More than likely high status men have given up on the marriage because of better offers and basically want polygamy and the wife doesn't want it. It's the high status man holding the cards and the woman having only the divorce filing as the card they can use. The person who files is the person who feels this is the only way they can get some control in the situation. It doesn't mean they are the one who always has had control in the marriage.

That’s a lot of mental gymnastics there, you get a bronze medal.

Most women imitate divorce because “they’re not happy”. I’m fact that’s the top reason. Not infidelity - which by all stats now is pretty much the same for men and women.

So a man risks his career, wealth and assets to marry someone who can break the contract because “she’s not happy”. Ok, well they the best thing to do as a high stays man is to keep a roster and not marry. They will always have women willing to date them and so why not? I mean women would gladly be one if a few women sleeping with a rich high status man then the object of affection of one man who works at like a Home Depot….history has shown this to be true time and time again.

As stated, loss of wealth, family and of course emotional health is enough reason for men to boycott marriage entirely

Boom! Exactly, +1

This post need to be stickied at the top of this forum because it clearly, succintly and honestly answers so many questions that get raised in this forum.

[Anonymous]

Not being happy is not why most people divorce. Sorry

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The divorce rate is quite low for couples who are both college-educated and married after age 25. Citing to risk of divorce based on the general population is not relevant to the typical DCUM couple.

The marriage rate for that demographic is low too, this less divorces.

But as a man, your college educated wife is 90% likely to initiate the divorce.

The risk vs reward isn’t favorable for men, especially wealthier men. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Most women are statistically chasing after the top 10% of men. Those men can and will choose who they commit to. Unless you’re a top tier woman and a genuine 8-10 (lets be hue at most women are NOT) then you’re likely to be part of the 54% of women who will be single and childless forget by 2030

Hold on. You actually think 90% of college educated married women end up initiating divorce? Explain yourself.

Also, no, women do not chase 10% of men. This has been debunked many times. Women are very realistic about who they date.

It is the statistic but it's misleading because someone initiating papers does not mean they are taking you for a ride. More than likely high status men have given up on the marriage because of better offers and basically want polygamy and the wife doesn't want it. It's the high status man holding the cards and the woman having only the divorce filing as the card they can use. The person who files is the person who feels this is the only way they can get some control in the situation. It doesn't mean they are the one who always has had control in the marriage.

That’s a lot of mental gymnastics there, you get a bronze medal.

Most women imitate divorce because “they’re not happy”. I’m fact that’s the top reason. Not infidelity - which by all stats now is pretty much the same for men and women.

So a man risks his career, wealth and assets to marry someone who can break the contract because “she’s not happy”. Ok, well they the best thing to do as a high stays man is to keep a roster and not marry. They will always have women willing to date them and so why not? I mean women would gladly be one if a few women sleeping with a rich high status man then the object of affection of one man who works at like a Home Depot….history has shown this to be true time and time again.

As stated, loss of wealth, family and of course emotional health is enough reason for men to boycott marriage entirely

Boom! Exactly, +1

This post need to be stickied at the top of this forum because it clearly, succintly and honestly answers so many questions that get raised in this forum.

There he goes again! Sock puppeting his Sock puppeting of his post!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is great. I always want to caution women against marrying a man who isn't head over heels for them and willing to work for a good marriage because eventually those men will just become dead weight. Looks like a lot of men like that are just taking themselves out of the running anyway!

Actually the men here just want to eliminate useless & exploitive lazy women marrying for $$.

The men who don’t have any money worth marrying for do anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The divorce rate is quite low for couples who are both college-educated and married after age 25. Citing to risk of divorce based on the general population is not relevant to the typical DCUM couple.

The marriage rate for that demographic is low too, this less divorces.

But as a man, your college educated wife is 90% likely to initiate the divorce.

The risk vs reward isn’t favorable for men, especially wealthier men. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Most women are statistically chasing after the top 10% of men. Those men can and will choose who they commit to. Unless you’re a top tier woman and a genuine 8-10 (lets be hue at most women are NOT) then you’re likely to be part of the 54% of women who will be single and childless forget by 2030

Hold on. You actually think 90% of college educated married women end up initiating divorce? Explain yourself.

Also, no, women do not chase 10% of men. This has been debunked many times. Women are very realistic about who they date.

It is the statistic but it's misleading because someone initiating papers does not mean they are taking you for a ride. More than likely high status men have given up on the marriage because of better offers and basically want polygamy and the wife doesn't want it. It's the high status man holding the cards and the woman having only the divorce filing as the card they can use. The person who files is the person who feels this is the only way they can get some control in the situation. It doesn't mean they are the one who always has had control in the marriage.

That’s a lot of mental gymnastics there, you get a bronze medal.

Most women imitate divorce because “they’re not happy”. I’m fact that’s the top reason. Not infidelity - which by all stats now is pretty much the same for men and women.

So a man risks his career, wealth and assets to marry someone who can break the contract because “she’s not happy”. Ok, well they the best thing to do as a high stays man is to keep a roster and not marry. They will always have women willing to date them and so why not? I mean women would gladly be one if a few women sleeping with a rich high status man then the object of affection of one man who works at like a Home Depot….history has shown this to be true time and time again.

As stated, loss of wealth, family and of course emotional health is enough reason for men to boycott marriage entirely

Boom! Exactly, +1

This post need to be stickied at the top of this forum because it clearly, succintly and honestly answers so many questions that get raised in this forum.

WTF kind of question raised in this forum would this question answer?