Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?

[Anonymous]

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Most men don’t have that option so they date who they can. The idea of romantic relationships and traditional roles in a relationship are no longer the norm or desire for women. So why should men stick to traditional roles (provider, breadwinner, protector, handyman) whey overall western society has told them they don’t want it?

Studies show by 2030 54% of women over 38 will be single and childless. Thing is…most women want to have kids. But the system is stacked against men in terms of the traditional marriage contract. Guys realize it’s a losing bet for them and opt out. 65% if single men under the age of 35 aren’t even looking for relationships let alone in one. So they’ve decided to just stay home instead of playing a game that intentionally has no path to victory

you are clearly a very rational and well-adjusted person and i cannot imagine why you’re having trouble dating

You seriously don't get it do you?
We don't want the minuscule, little bit of value (vs. risk) you have to offer.
We find it laughable that you even would overestimate yourself that way.

Who the hell is “we”? Wealthy, educated millennial men are marrying (it’s lower income people who aren’t marrying). And then they aren’t divorcing (millennials are far less likely to divorce than boomers at the same stages of life/years of marriage). Marriage is working out great for high income young men.

You’re relying on data (and anecdotes) about low income men. Sorry, biglaw associates are not going to be ruined by divorce and end up eating ramen. Nice try.

Yeah right. Dream on says Aerosmith. Nice try yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The divorce rate is quite low for couples who are both college-educated and married after age 25. Citing to risk of divorce based on the general population is not relevant to the typical DCUM couple.

The marriage rate for that demographic is low too, this less divorces.

But as a man, your college educated wife is 90% likely to initiate the divorce.

The risk vs reward isn’t favorable for men, especially wealthier men. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Most women are statistically chasing after the top 10% of men. Those men can and will choose who they commit to. Unless you’re a top tier woman and a genuine 8-10 (lets be hue at most women are NOT) then you’re likely to be part of the 54% of women who will be single and childless forget by 2030

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Quality women will demand marriage.

And quality men will say take a hike and Scooby Do wise "rots of ruck".

Nah, quality men want quality women and vice versa. They usually find eachother, have happy marriages, and don't get divorced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Most men don’t have that option so they date who they can. The idea of romantic relationships and traditional roles in a relationship are no longer the norm or desire for women. So why should men stick to traditional roles (provider, breadwinner, protector, handyman) whey overall western society has told them they don’t want it?

Studies show by 2030 54% of women over 38 will be single and childless. Thing is…most women want to have kids. But the system is stacked against men in terms of the traditional marriage contract. Guys realize it’s a losing bet for them and opt out. 65% if single men under the age of 35 aren’t even looking for relationships let alone in one. So they’ve decided to just stay home instead of playing a game that intentionally has no path to victory

you are clearly a very rational and well-adjusted person and i cannot imagine why you’re having trouble dating

You seriously don't get it do you?
We don't want the minuscule, little bit of value (vs. risk) you have to offer.
We find it laughable that you even would overestimate yourself that way.

Who the hell is “we”? Wealthy, educated millennial men are marrying (it’s lower income people who aren’t marrying). And then they aren’t divorcing (millennials are far less likely to divorce than boomers at the same stages of life/years of marriage). Marriage is working out great for high income young men.

You’re relying on data (and anecdotes) about low income men. Sorry, biglaw associates are not going to be ruined by divorce and end up eating ramen. Nice try.

Yeah right. Dream on says Aerosmith. Nice try yourself.

This is the data, friend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The divorce rate is quite low for couples who are both college-educated and married after age 25. Citing to risk of divorce based on the general population is not relevant to the typical DCUM couple.

The marriage rate for that demographic is low too, this less divorces.

But as a man, your college educated wife is 90% likely to initiate the divorce.

The risk vs reward isn’t favorable for men, especially wealthier men. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Most women are statistically chasing after the top 10% of men. Those men can and will choose who they commit to. Unless you’re a top tier woman and a genuine 8-10 (lets be hue at most women are NOT) then you’re likely to be part of the 54% of women who will be single and childless forget by 2030

Hold on. You actually think 90% of college educated married women end up initiating divorce? Explain yourself.

Also, no, women do not chase 10% of men. This has been debunked many times. Women are very realistic about who they date.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Quality women will demand marriage.

And quality men will say take a hike and Scooby Do wise "rots of ruck".

Nah, quality men want quality women and vice versa. They usually find eachother, have happy marriages, and don't get divorced.

Really? I’d say they do. Beezos and Gates sure did.

Most people aren’t getting married and the rate has dropped 60%.

Quality men will get married but more and more are checking out. There are few high quality women in the US who are worthy of marriage. Just a basic look on social media or a dating site shows most fall into a low quality to ONS tier. For the top tier men this is fine as they can be choosy as 95% of women are matching them.

Polls show 65% of men 25-34 aren’t even looking for relationships.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Most men don’t have that option so they date who they can. The idea of romantic relationships and traditional roles in a relationship are no longer the norm or desire for women. So why should men stick to traditional roles (provider, breadwinner, protector, handyman) whey overall western society has told them they don’t want it?

Studies show by 2030 54% of women over 38 will be single and childless. Thing is…most women want to have kids. But the system is stacked against men in terms of the traditional marriage contract. Guys realize it’s a losing bet for them and opt out. 65% if single men under the age of 35 aren’t even looking for relationships let alone in one. So they’ve decided to just stay home instead of playing a game that intentionally has no path to victory

you are clearly a very rational and well-adjusted person and i cannot imagine why you’re having trouble dating

You seriously don't get it do you?
We don't want the minuscule, little bit of value (vs. risk) you have to offer.
We find it laughable that you even would overestimate yourself that way.

Who the hell is “we”? Wealthy, educated millennial men are marrying (it’s lower income people who aren’t marrying). And then they aren’t divorcing (millennials are far less likely to divorce than boomers at the same stages of life/years of marriage). Marriage is working out great for high income young men.

You’re relying on data (and anecdotes) about low income men. Sorry, biglaw associates are not going to be ruined by divorce and end up eating ramen. Nice try.

Yeah right. Dream on says Aerosmith. Nice try yourself.

This is the data, friend.

Keep telling yourself that and with a few drinks you might even believe it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don’t need a quality woman if you’re Uber rich. Knock up a groupie and file for custody.

This is the same discussion in inverse that was had about mediocre men last week.

If you’re uber rich, you probably have higher standards for who you reproduce with …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Quality women will demand marriage.

And quality men will say take a hike and Scooby Do wise "rots of ruck".

Nah, quality men want quality women and vice versa. They usually find eachother, have happy marriages, and don't get divorced.

Really? I’d say they do. Beezos and Gates sure did.

Most people aren’t getting married and the rate has dropped 60%.

Quality men will get married but more and more are checking out. There are few high quality women in the US who are worthy of marriage. Just a basic look on social media or a dating site shows most fall into a low quality to ONS tier. For the top tier men this is fine as they can be choosy as 95% of women are matching them.

Polls show 65% of men 25-34 aren’t even looking for relationships.

If you know this about dating sites and social media, you don't know what quality is, i.e., you are low quality.

Plus, the super wealthy have a different code because they have a different psyche to get them there. Those are not the people on DCUM reading this. The wealthy/high quality here are most likely happily married for 15+ years - rich, but not invited to Bezo's annual BBQ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most rich men want the social standing that a high quality wife brings. This feels like a question only a man from a lower class/lower middle class background would ask.

Most doesn’t equal all.

This feels like a comment only a man who hasn’t fully mastered the English language would make.

Not all. But I can’t think of a single wealthy man who didn’t marry a social/economic equivalent. The exception is men who married their college sweethearts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The divorce rate is quite low for couples who are both college-educated and married after age 25. Citing to risk of divorce based on the general population is not relevant to the typical DCUM couple.

The marriage rate for that demographic is low too, this less divorces.

But as a man, your college educated wife is 90% likely to initiate the divorce.

The risk vs reward isn’t favorable for men, especially wealthier men. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Most women are statistically chasing after the top 10% of men. Those men can and will choose who they commit to. Unless you’re a top tier woman and a genuine 8-10 (lets be hue at most women are NOT) then you’re likely to be part of the 54% of women who will be single and childless forget by 2030

Hold on. You actually think 90% of college educated married women end up initiating divorce? Explain yourself.

Also, no, women do not chase 10% of men. This has been debunked many times. Women are very realistic about who they date.

It’s the date….look for yourself.

Half of marriages fail, if she’s college educated 90% of the time she initiates the divorce. Super easy to find

Yea, the stats show women chase the top 10%

https://amj.kma.re.kr/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1597&context=journal

You can argue “that’s just online”; But ONLINE is how Gen Z and Millennials date.

A whopping 53% of people under 30 have used a dating site or app, compared to only 37% of the 30–49 age group, a measly 20% for 50–64-year-olds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The divorce rate is quite low for couples who are both college-educated and married after age 25. Citing to risk of divorce based on the general population is not relevant to the typical DCUM couple.

The marriage rate for that demographic is low too, this less divorces.

But as a man, your college educated wife is 90% likely to initiate the divorce.

The risk vs reward isn’t favorable for men, especially wealthier men. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Most women are statistically chasing after the top 10% of men. Those men can and will choose who they commit to. Unless you’re a top tier woman and a genuine 8-10 (lets be hue at most women are NOT) then you’re likely to be part of the 54% of women who will be single and childless forget by 2030

Hold on. You actually think 90% of college educated married women end up initiating divorce? Explain yourself.

Also, no, women do not chase 10% of men. This has been debunked many times. Women are very realistic about who they date.

It is the statistic but it's misleading because someone initiating papers does not mean they are taking you for a ride. More than likely high status men have given up on the marriage because of better offers and basically want polygamy and the wife doesn't want it. It's the high status man holding the cards and the woman having only the divorce filing as the card they can use. The person who files is the person who feels this is the only way they can get some control in the situation. It doesn't mean they are the one who always has had control in the marriage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Quality women will demand marriage.

And quality men will say take a hike and Scooby Do wise "rots of ruck".

Nah, quality men want quality women and vice versa. They usually find eachother, have happy marriages, and don't get divorced.

Really? I’d say they do. Beezos and Gates sure did.

Most people aren’t getting married and the rate has dropped 60%.

Quality men will get married but more and more are checking out. There are few high quality women in the US who are worthy of marriage. Just a basic look on social media or a dating site shows most fall into a low quality to ONS tier. For the top tier men this is fine as they can be choosy as 95% of women are matching them.

Polls show 65% of men 25-34 aren’t even looking for relationships.

If you know this about dating sites and social media, you don't know what quality is, i.e., you are low quality.

Plus, the super wealthy have a different code because they have a different psyche to get them there. Those are not the people on DCUM reading this. The wealthy/high quality here are most likely happily married for 15+ years - rich, but not invited to Bezo's annual BBQ.

Most people on DCUM, like the DC crowd and the suburbanites in NoVA and MD are largely out of touch with most of real America anyways. People get married here and stay because of politics. I personally know people who are in office and up for reelection who are “married” but living in separate rooms while the kid sleeps with the mom. The reason? It’s appearance and career. No other reason, they’re roommates and have no connection. I know others who live like this too even though they’re not elected officials.

So yeah the “average DCUM” poster is just living more if a lie because of optics.

But the stats don’t lie, as a wealthy or at least upper-middle class man ir above being married offers little to no benefits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This sounds like you are all discussing a business deal and not an actual in-love relationship. If you aren’t deeply in love, don’t get married or have kids.

According to many people on DCUM, marriage and relationships in general are purely transactional. Fortunately, no one I know in the real world thinks like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The divorce rate is quite low for couples who are both college-educated and married after age 25. Citing to risk of divorce based on the general population is not relevant to the typical DCUM couple.

The marriage rate for that demographic is low too, this less divorces.

But as a man, your college educated wife is 90% likely to initiate the divorce.

The risk vs reward isn’t favorable for men, especially wealthier men. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Most women are statistically chasing after the top 10% of men. Those men can and will choose who they commit to. Unless you’re a top tier woman and a genuine 8-10 (lets be hue at most women are NOT) then you’re likely to be part of the 54% of women who will be single and childless forget by 2030

Hold on. You actually think 90% of college educated married women end up initiating divorce? Explain yourself.

Also, no, women do not chase 10% of men. This has been debunked many times. Women are very realistic about who they date.

It is the statistic but it's misleading because someone initiating papers does not mean they are taking you for a ride. More than likely high status men have given up on the marriage because of better offers and basically want polygamy and the wife doesn't want it. It's the high status man holding the cards and the woman having only the divorce filing as the card they can use. The person who files is the person who feels this is the only way they can get some control in the situation. It doesn't mean they are the one who always has had control in the marriage.

That’s a lot of mental gymnastics there, you get a bronze medal.

Most women imitate divorce because “they’re not happy”. I’m fact that’s the top reason. Not infidelity - which by all stats now is pretty much the same for men and women.

So a man risks his career, wealth and assets to marry someone who can break the contract because “she’s not happy”. Ok, well they the best thing to do as a high stays man is to keep a roster and not marry. They will always have women willing to date them and so why not? I mean women would gladly be one if a few women sleeping with a rich high status man then the object of affection of one man who works at like a Home Depot….history has shown this to be true time and time again.

As stated, loss of wealth, family and of course emotional health is enough reason for men to boycott marriage entirely