DC Kids holding values when surrounded by conservatives

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am OP. I grew up in a place like this. When I went away to college I learned that I had all sorts of backwards ideas about groups of people even though I didn't know it at the time. I didn't realize how hurtful many of the terms we used to describe people were. I know now, and I live in DC now where my kid was raised with what I consider more evolved ideas.

Those of you acting like there aren't differences among people across regions of the country and in rural towns are full of it. I'm not saying that every person there thinks this way, but i am saying (accurately) that there are different norms in these places.

Astounding.

How would you describe yourself, OP?

Bigoted? Closed-minded? Hateful? Non-inclusive?

You are all of these things. And yet, you cannot even see yourself for who you really are.

I am seriously worried for you. But more-so for your children, and what you’ve done to them.

Your mentality is so horrendously harmful to the future of our nation.

Don’t forget condescending.

[Anonymous]

Wow. Such great examples of false equivalences. Since when do the beliefs held by the men who murdered Ahmaud Arbery BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK and the town's police force and district attorney who aided them fall into the same types of "diversity of thought" as Black moms calling for access to better K-12 schools for their Black children?

There is zero reason to respect, nurture, or promote diversity of thought among those who believe that some people should not be equal under law because of their race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or other characteristics. “We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.”
― James Baldwin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am OP. I grew up in a place like this. When I went away to college I learned that I had all sorts of backwards ideas about groups of people even though I didn't know it at the time. I didn't realize how hurtful many of the terms we used to describe people were. I know now, and I live in DC now where my kid was raised with what I consider more evolved ideas.

Those of you acting like there aren't differences among people across regions of the country and in rural towns are full of it. I'm not saying that every person there thinks this way, but i am saying (accurately) that there are different norms in these places.

You do you and your home town then. Get lost otherwise. Not every conservative (some are moderate, believe it or not) holds the [lack of] values you decry.

[Anonymous]

It's like some DCUM posters don't realize that Texans voted in representatives who pass a bill creating a posse system with financial rewards for those who report physicians who provide abortions to women. That just doesn't happen in DC, and if it did, those politicians would be impeached and removed from office by the DC voters in a hot minute. Note that the voters of Texas did not vote out the people who led on this hideous legislation. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/texas/articles/2022-12-09/lawsuit-against-doctor-who-defied-texas-abortion-law-tossed

And it's like some DCUM posters don't realize that White Supremacists in Texas dragged a Black man by a rope from the back of their pick up truck for three miles and that he was alive and suffering through most of that ordeal. There are not groups of White Supremacists living in DC today who think they could get away with this sort of thing, and there weren't in 1998 either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd_Jr.

As a woman and as a person of color, I'm grateful and glad that DC is not like some other places. Thank goodness that voters in DC will not tolerate what the voters of Texas will when it comes to women's health issues. Thank goodness that White parents in DC are trying to raise their children to not be racists. And yes, that does make DC more evolved than Texas in my book.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Such great examples of false equivalences. Since when do the beliefs held by the men who murdered Ahmaud Arbery BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK and the town's police force and district attorney who aided them fall into the same types of "diversity of thought" as Black moms calling for access to better K-12 schools for their Black children?

There is zero reason to respect, nurture, or promote diversity of thought among those who believe that some people should not be equal under law because of their race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or other characteristics. “We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.”
― James Baldwin

This is not what's going on here. At all. No one is saying that OP's child must meet and respect people who murdered Ahmaud Arbery. It's OP's assumption that everyone who lives outside of DC believes in things that OP thinks are unethical or immoral. It's a ridiculous level of projection and OP's child hasn't even meet these people. Or know what they think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's like some DCUM posters don't realize that Texans voted in representatives who pass a bill creating a posse system with financial rewards for those who report physicians who provide abortions to women. That just doesn't happen in DC, and if it did, those politicians would be impeached and removed from office by the DC voters in a hot minute. Note that the voters of Texas did not vote out the people who led on this hideous legislation. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/texas/articles/2022-12-09/lawsuit-against-doctor-who-defied-texas-abortion-law-tossed

And it's like some DCUM posters don't realize that White Supremacists in Texas dragged a Black man by a rope from the back of their pick up truck for three miles and that he was alive and suffering through most of that ordeal. There are not groups of White Supremacists living in DC today who think they could get away with this sort of thing, and there weren't in 1998 either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd_Jr.

As a woman and as a person of color, I'm grateful and glad that DC is not like some other places. Thank goodness that voters in DC will not tolerate what the voters of Texas will when it comes to women's health issues. Thank goodness that White parents in DC are trying to raise their children to not be racists. And yes, that does make DC more evolved than Texas in my book.

You're right. It's completely fine to assume that everyone in Texas believes the exact same thing, whether they are white or Latino or male or female or old or young or whatever. The same stereotype applies to the entire state and that's not at all hypocritical.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Such great examples of false equivalences. Since when do the beliefs held by the men who murdered Ahmaud Arbery BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK and the town's police force and district attorney who aided them fall into the same types of "diversity of thought" as Black moms calling for access to better K-12 schools for their Black children?

There is zero reason to respect, nurture, or promote diversity of thought among those who believe that some people should not be equal under law because of their race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or other characteristics. “We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.”
― James Baldwin

This is not what's going on here. At all. No one is saying that OP's child must meet and respect people who murdered Ahmaud Arbery. It's OP's assumption that everyone who lives outside of DC believes in things that OP thinks are unethical or immoral. It's a ridiculous level of projection and OP's child hasn't even meet these people. Or know what they think.

NP. That's not OP's assumption at all. You're describing a caricature of what OP is saying that you've invented.

OP's belief (based on having lived in a conservative place) is that certain beliefs are more common in certain places. Do you think that's untrue? That acceptance of, say, same sex marriage is the same in Alabama as it is in Delaware? I've lived in the rural South and I've lived in DC and if you're trying to say there aren't differences in what most people believe between those places you're wrong. There are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Such great examples of false equivalences. Since when do the beliefs held by the men who murdered Ahmaud Arbery BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK and the town's police force and district attorney who aided them fall into the same types of "diversity of thought" as Black moms calling for access to better K-12 schools for their Black children?

There is zero reason to respect, nurture, or promote diversity of thought among those who believe that some people should not be equal under law because of their race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or other characteristics. “We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.”
― James Baldwin

This is not what's going on here. At all. No one is saying that OP's child must meet and respect people who murdered Ahmaud Arbery. It's OP's assumption that everyone who lives outside of DC believes in things that OP thinks are unethical or immoral. It's a ridiculous level of projection and OP's child hasn't even meet these people. Or know what they think.

NP. That's not OP's assumption at all. You're describing a caricature of what OP is saying that you've invented.

OP's belief (based on having lived in a conservative place) is that certain beliefs are more common in certain places. Do you think that's untrue? That acceptance of, say, same sex marriage is the same in Alabama as it is in Delaware? I've lived in the rural South and I've lived in DC and if you're trying to say there aren't differences in what most people believe between those places you're wrong. There are.

Of course there are differences in beliefs. That's the whole point of the conversation. What do you do in the face of those differences? Do you keep to your bubble and continue to point fingers or do you go out and engage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Such great examples of false equivalences. Since when do the beliefs held by the men who murdered Ahmaud Arbery BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK and the town's police force and district attorney who aided them fall into the same types of "diversity of thought" as Black moms calling for access to better K-12 schools for their Black children?

There is zero reason to respect, nurture, or promote diversity of thought among those who believe that some people should not be equal under law because of their race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or other characteristics. “We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.”
― James Baldwin

This is not what's going on here. At all. No one is saying that OP's child must meet and respect people who murdered Ahmaud Arbery. It's OP's assumption that everyone who lives outside of DC believes in things that OP thinks are unethical or immoral. It's a ridiculous level of projection and OP's child hasn't even meet these people. Or know what they think.

NP. That's not OP's assumption at all. You're describing a caricature of what OP is saying that you've invented.

OP's belief (based on having lived in a conservative place) is that certain beliefs are more common in certain places. Do you think that's untrue? That acceptance of, say, same sex marriage is the same in Alabama as it is in Delaware? I've lived in the rural South and I've lived in DC and if you're trying to say there aren't differences in what most people believe between those places you're wrong. There are.

Of course there are differences in beliefs. That's the whole point of the conversation. What do you do in the face of those differences? Do you keep to your bubble and continue to point fingers or do you go out and engage.

OP is asking how to prepare kids to have those conversations, while maintaining their belief in the values they were raised with, when they are in places where those values are less common. OP is specifically talking about people going outside the "bubble" they were raised in. Lecturing about bubbles isn't answering the question, and it's pretty rich to talk about the importance of these conversations when you can't even honestly describe what OP is saying.

[Anonymous]

"NP. That's not OP's assumption at all. You're describing a caricature of what OP is saying that you've invented.

OP's belief (based on having lived in a conservative place) is that certain beliefs are more common in certain places. Do you think that's untrue? That acceptance of, say, same sex marriage is the same in Alabama as it is in Delaware? I've lived in the rural South and I've lived in DC and if you're trying to say there aren't differences in what most people believe between those places you're wrong. There are."

I'm OP, and thank you for clarifying this.

[Anonymous]

Hillary's basket of deplorables is real. Not everyone in the south is a sucky person, but the south truly sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"NP. That's not OP's assumption at all. You're describing a caricature of what OP is saying that you've invented.

OP's belief (based on having lived in a conservative place) is that certain beliefs are more common in certain places. Do you think that's untrue? That acceptance of, say, same sex marriage is the same in Alabama as it is in Delaware? I've lived in the rural South and I've lived in DC and if you're trying to say there aren't differences in what most people believe between those places you're wrong. There are."

I'm OP, and thank you for clarifying this.

The question is why didn’t you burst the bubble before now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Such great examples of false equivalences. Since when do the beliefs held by the men who murdered Ahmaud Arbery BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK and the town's police force and district attorney who aided them fall into the same types of "diversity of thought" as Black moms calling for access to better K-12 schools for their Black children?

There is zero reason to respect, nurture, or promote diversity of thought among those who believe that some people should not be equal under law because of their race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or other characteristics. “We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.”
― James Baldwin

This is not what's going on here. At all. No one is saying that OP's child must meet and respect people who murdered Ahmaud Arbery. It's OP's assumption that everyone who lives outside of DC believes in things that OP thinks are unethical or immoral. It's a ridiculous level of projection and OP's child hasn't even meet these people. Or know what they think.

NP. That's not OP's assumption at all. You're describing a caricature of what OP is saying that you've invented.

OP's belief (based on having lived in a conservative place) is that certain beliefs are more common in certain places. Do you think that's untrue? That acceptance of, say, same sex marriage is the same in Alabama as it is in Delaware? I've lived in the rural South and I've lived in DC and if you're trying to say there aren't differences in what most people believe between those places you're wrong. There are.

Of course there are differences in beliefs. That's the whole point of the conversation. What do you do in the face of those differences? Do you keep to your bubble and continue to point fingers or do you go out and engage.

OP is asking how to prepare kids to have those conversations, while maintaining their belief in the values they were raised with, when they are in places where those values are less common. OP is specifically talking about people going outside the "bubble" they were raised in. Lecturing about bubbles isn't answering the question, and it's pretty rich to talk about the importance of these conversations when you can't even honestly describe what OP is saying.

I personally suggested Adam Grant's "Think Again" and I'll also suggest "You Have More Influence Than You Think" by Vanessa Bohns. I don't suggest OP talk to her kids about it. Not only will they roll their eyes but it's a clear indication that OP doesn't have faith in her kids. These convos should have been had when they were tweens.

The kids will encounter people with differences in opinion to varying degrees. It's going to happen. Even in DC where people can be aligned 99% find things to fight about intensely in the smallest difference in opinion. Can they listen first and then respond in a way that resonates with the other person? These are skills that should be learned. In that way, moving to a conservative state is great practice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was just talking with a kid raised in DC in a multiracial home with friends from other races and lots of LGBTQ friends and family. The teen is going to attend college in a conservative part of the country in a few months. How do these DC kids raised here in a "bubble" where misogyny, racism, and homophobia are not tolerated do when confronted with this sort of thing in Red states or rural America small towns where it's common to make fun of people who are offended by this stuff? What's the best advice to give these teens? I doubt that many realize what they're about to step into, so warning or preparing them seems like a good idea.

You must be joking, right?

The DC bubble as you rightly call it is everything except a paragon of tolerance, openness and principles.

Good for kids to grow up and adapt to the big world out there.

(We recently moved from the US to the UK and my kids are very much enjoying the move and the lack of constant policing of what they think, feel, say)

Wow, my experience was opposite of theirs! I felt like the Red Guards were afoot everywhere at uni in the UK. Perhaps they’re still in the sixth form or younger?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hillary's basket of deplorables is real. Not everyone in the south is a sucky person, but the south truly sucks.

why are so many libs moving there, then? entryism?