600 child abuse victims of the Catholic Church in MD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Delusional. Priests had opportunities to access both boys and girls. Guess what? In almost every instance they chose males. Not because that was all that was there, it was all they desired. There is always this knee-jerk reaction when someone brings up the painfully obvious point that gay men flooded the priesthood particularly from the ‘50s to the ‘80s and some of them had proclivities towards young males. Shocker.”

There are zero studies showing LBGQT folks are any more likely to be predators than heterosexuals. What did happen is the church clustered young men, many in their teens, in all male seminaries. Some, like St Mary’s Seminary in Baltimore, grew a frat like culture where older students indoctrinated the younger classes. The young seminarians were told that sex with a male did not violate their vow of chastity, that only vaginal sex with a woman did. They were correctly told that boys rarely reported abuse, so were safer targets The testosterone students did what they were told, to fit in; and the Archdiocese did nothing. After being ordained (like The Keepers Father Maskell) they continued to torture and prey n boys more than girls - believing they could have sexual release without breaking their bow of chastity or being reporting.

Uh, zero studies except for the fact that it was almost exclusively men sexually abusing boys. Ask any truly heterosexual male if they would consider being with another man to satisfy their sexual desires and they will universally say no. I don’t need studies to tell me that. Again, let priests marry, and take the church back (as we are) and you will see the abuse go away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Delusional. Priests had opportunities to access both boys and girls. Guess what? In almost every instance they chose males. Not because that was all that was there, it was all they desired. There is always this knee-jerk reaction when someone brings up the painfully obvious point that gay men flooded the priesthood particularly from the ‘50s to the ‘80s and some of them had proclivities towards young males. Shocker.”

There are zero studies showing LBGQT folks are any more likely to be predators than heterosexuals. What did happen is the church clustered young men, many in their teens, in all male seminaries. Some, like St Mary’s Seminary in Baltimore, grew a frat like culture where older students indoctrinated the younger classes. The young seminarians were told that sex with a male did not violate their vow of chastity, that only vaginal sex with a woman did. They were correctly told that boys rarely reported abuse, so were safer targets The testosterone students did what they were told, to fit in; and the Archdiocese did nothing. After being ordained (like The Keepers Father Maskell) they continued to torture and prey n boys more than girls - believing they could have sexual release without breaking their bow of chastity or being reporting.

The “testosterone students?” WTF. You lost all credibility with that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Delusional. Priests had opportunities to access both boys and girls. Guess what? In almost every instance they chose males. Not because that was all that was there, it was all they desired. There is always this knee-jerk reaction when someone brings up the painfully obvious point that gay men flooded the priesthood particularly from the ‘50s to the ‘80s and some of them had proclivities towards young males. Shocker.”

There are zero studies showing LBGQT folks are any more likely to be predators than heterosexuals. What did happen is the church clustered young men, many in their teens, in all male seminaries. Some, like St Mary’s Seminary in Baltimore, grew a frat like culture where older students indoctrinated the younger classes. The young seminarians were told that sex with a male did not violate their vow of chastity, that only vaginal sex with a woman did. They were correctly told that boys rarely reported abuse, so were safer targets The testosterone students did what they were told, to fit in; and the Archdiocese did nothing. After being ordained (like The Keepers Father Maskell) they continued to torture and prey n boys more than girls - believing they could have sexual release without breaking their bow of chastity or being reporting.

Uh, zero studies except for the fact that it was almost exclusively men sexually abusing boys. Ask any truly heterosexual male if they would consider being with another man to satisfy their sexual desires and they will universally say no. I don’t need studies to tell me that. Again, let priests marry, and take the church back (as we are) and you will see the abuse go away.

I see that you want to keep blaming it on the gays, but guess what? Married men are perverts too. Married priests molested kids in the Episcopal and other churches, in the Boy Scouts, etc. What really sets the Catholic Church apart is the breadth of the depravity and the extent to which people just covered it up and went along. They had an infrastructure for administrative cover ups that the Nazi Germans would have admired.

But it goes deeper than that - the taint extends to the parents who ignored their children and forced them into these activities where they were abused, communities and the police that would hear no part in their church doing wrong, and most importantly- the people who still show up and give money every Sunday and by their presence and financial support, tell the church they still have enough power and support that they don’t need to ever atone for their crimes. Demand better, people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the Catholic Church attract so many sociopaths. I get the reason gay men or pedophiles used to think the church was good place to hide out. But the sheer sociapathic and violent behavior of nuns and priests towards kids and teens in orphanages,Irish laundries, forced boarding schools—its mind boggling. Whipping and beating wasn’t enough, they got off on torturing young people. Anyone who sits in a Catholic Church every Sunday is complicit in this coverup. Still.

Why are posters like you sociopaths?

Who put gay and pedophile in a sentence as if they are similar or even related.

A person who prays in a Catholic church and tries to live a life like Christ is complicit in child abuse? Hmm. You need help with your anger and bigotry.

If the people of the church all boycatted mass, the church corporation might actually hold themselves accountable to the people of the church. But alas, as long as people show up, then leadership thinks its business as usual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those who watched our Baltimore based “The Keepers” story on Netflix, the Archdiocese of Baltimore (AOB) lied to our survivors, our producers and the public. They knew that Father Maskell was ordained in 1965, removed from his first parish in 1966 for sexual activity with Boy Scouts, then moved to St Clement’s Church where he was in charge of a Boy Scout troop and abused boys and girls, then shuffled to our Archbishop Keough High School in 1967 after abuse allegations at St Cements. When our survivors came forward in 1992 - they said Jean’s was the first allegation of abuse they ever had against Maskell. Their lawyers portrayed our two survivors who tried to file a civil case as crazy/delusional/confused. The church knew the whole time they were telling the truth.

When our documentary was released in 2017, the AOB ran a PR campaign called Fact or Fiction and said our story was fiction. They published articles denying any prior knowledge of Maskell’s abuse, and this was while the current Archbishop Lori was in charge. They lied, over and over - further harming the survivors they allowed to be assaulted in the first place. Our story was true.

This is why more people need to boycatt attending mass in this diocese and demand some real accountability, showing up is acting complicit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the Catholic Church attract so many sociopaths. I get the reason gay men or pedophiles used to think the church was good place to hide out. But the sheer sociapathic and violent behavior of nuns and priests towards kids and teens in orphanages,Irish laundries, forced boarding schools—its mind boggling. Whipping and beating wasn’t enough, they got off on torturing young people. Anyone who sits in a Catholic Church every Sunday is complicit in this coverup. Still.

Why are posters like you sociopaths?

Who put gay and pedophile in a sentence as if they are similar or even related.

A person who prays in a Catholic church and tries to live a life like Christ is complicit in child abuse? Hmm. You need help with your anger and bigotry.

Devout catholics need to hold leadership accountable. the pope isn't god and is not infallible

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the Catholic Church attract so many sociopaths. I get the reason gay men or pedophiles used to think the church was good place to hide out. But the sheer sociapathic and violent behavior of nuns and priests towards kids and teens in orphanages,Irish laundries, forced boarding schools—its mind boggling. Whipping and beating wasn’t enough, they got off on torturing young people. Anyone who sits in a Catholic Church every Sunday is complicit in this coverup. Still.

Why are posters like you sociopaths?

Who put gay and pedophile in a sentence as if they are similar or even related.

A person who prays in a Catholic church and tries to live a life like Christ is complicit in child abuse? Hmm. You need help with your anger and bigotry.

Devout catholics need to hold leadership accountable. the pope isn't god and is not infallible

No Pope has ever claimed divine status. One who did would demonstrate material heresy and thereby depose himself from office.

Catholics believe that the Pope is infallible as to matters of faith and morals when he speaks ex cathedra, that is , from the chair of his office. The doctrine of infallibility has been invoked precisely twice in history: Mary’s immaculate conception (freedom ab initio from original sin) and her bodily assumption into heaven.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let priests marry. Get rid of the gay/pedophile problem and you will go a long way to fixing this problem. Francis has already set this in motion with his recent comments on priests and marriage.

Francis, like other Jesuits, is prone to “open discussion” and “experimental” ideas, but he is not going to change obligatory celibacy. If he were going to do so it would already have happened. Even the “trial balloon” of “virus selecti” in the Amazon went nowhere.

Allowing priests to marry would do nothing to resolve the problem of daemonic sexual perversity underlying the acts alleged in the report. The settlements and scandals involving other churches with married ministers, as well as those involving organizations such as the Boy Scouts are clear proof of this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:….and not one of the perpetrators was transgender.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/05/us/catholic-church-abuse-baltimore.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

#GROOMERS

No, but they were predominantly homosexual pedophiles.

No they were not. It’s a crime of opportunity male abusers are more likely to work at all boys schools. When moved to girls schools they continued to abuse.

There has to be a sexual attraction first - it’s not just about the opportunity part.

Pedophiles are not attracted to a gender they are attracted to children of all genders. Children are essentially genderless .

You don’t know that? Are you lacking an education?

Ha ha ha. Oh, I see. It’s just an accident that almost every instance of abuse is between an adult male and juvenile male? I see. What world do you live in?

No it’s because girls were not allowed to be alter boys.

“Altar.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the Catholic Church attract so many sociopaths. I get the reason gay men or pedophiles used to think the church was good place to hide out. But the sheer sociapathic and violent behavior of nuns and priests towards kids and teens in orphanages,Irish laundries, forced boarding schools—its mind boggling. Whipping and beating wasn’t enough, they got off on torturing young people. Anyone who sits in a Catholic Church every Sunday is complicit in this coverup. Still.

Why are posters like you sociopaths?

Who put gay and pedophile in a sentence as if they are similar or even related.

A person who prays in a Catholic church and tries to live a life like Christ is complicit in child abuse? Hmm. You need help with your anger and bigotry.

If the people of the church all boycatted mass, the church corporation might actually hold themselves accountable to the people of the church. But alas, as long as people show up, then leadership thinks its business as usual.

“Mass” is a proper noun that requires capitalization.

Depriving oneself of the spiritual practices and sacraments of the Church as a form of protest is roughly akin to starving oneself to death to protest bad restaurant management.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you see “The Keepers”?

Yes, and no call to end the church or any discussion about religion in society. But let's go after LGBTQ, keeping our guns, and books.

Why is this church allowed to exist?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let priests marry. Get rid of the gay/pedophile problem and you will go a long way to fixing this problem. Francis has already set this in motion with his recent comments on priests and marriage.

Francis, like other Jesuits, is prone to “open discussion” and “experimental” ideas, but he is not going to change obligatory celibacy. If he were going to do so it would already have happened. Even the “trial balloon” of “virus selecti” in the Amazon went nowhere.

Allowing priests to marry would do nothing to resolve the problem of daemonic sexual perversity underlying the acts alleged in the report. The settlements and scandals involving other churches with married ministers, as well as those involving organizations such as the Boy Scouts are clear proof of this.

Sorry. It's not a gay problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let priests marry. Get rid of the gay/pedophile problem and you will go a long way to fixing this problem. Francis has already set this in motion with his recent comments on priests and marriage.

Francis, like other Jesuits, is prone to “open discussion” and “experimental” ideas, but he is not going to change obligatory celibacy. If he were going to do so it would already have happened. Even the “trial balloon” of “virus selecti” in the Amazon went nowhere.

Allowing priests to marry would do nothing to resolve the problem of daemonic sexual perversity underlying the acts alleged in the report. The settlements and scandals involving other churches with married ministers, as well as those involving organizations such as the Boy Scouts are clear proof of this.

Sorry. It's not a gay problem.

Sorry, it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the Catholic Church attract so many sociopaths. I get the reason gay men or pedophiles used to think the church was good place to hide out. But the sheer sociapathic and violent behavior of nuns and priests towards kids and teens in orphanages,Irish laundries, forced boarding schools—its mind boggling. Whipping and beating wasn’t enough, they got off on torturing young people. Anyone who sits in a Catholic Church every Sunday is complicit in this coverup. Still.

Why are posters like you sociopaths?

Who put gay and pedophile in a sentence as if they are similar or even related.

A person who prays in a Catholic church and tries to live a life like Christ is complicit in child abuse? Hmm. You need help with your anger and bigotry.

If the people of the church all boycatted mass, the church corporation might actually hold themselves accountable to the people of the church. But alas, as long as people show up, then leadership thinks its business as usual.

“Mass” is a proper noun that requires capitalization.

Depriving oneself of the spiritual practices and sacraments of the Church as a form of protest is roughly akin to starving oneself to death to protest bad restaurant management.

I think systematic child abuse and the unrepentant covering it up is a bit more serious than “bad restaurant management.” If you’re not willing to sacrifice your spiritual comfort for your most vulnerable, what are you willing to sacrifice for? Nothing. And that’s what is going to change in this church- absolutely nothing. Don’t pretend like you’re helpless. You can choose to do something, you just won’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let priests marry. Get rid of the gay/pedophile problem and you will go a long way to fixing this problem. Francis has already set this in motion with his recent comments on priests and marriage.

Francis, like other Jesuits, is prone to “open discussion” and “experimental” ideas, but he is not going to change obligatory celibacy. If he were going to do so it would already have happened. Even the “trial balloon” of “virus selecti” in the Amazon went nowhere.

Allowing priests to marry would do nothing to resolve the problem of daemonic sexual perversity underlying the acts alleged in the report. The settlements and scandals involving other churches with married ministers, as well as those involving organizations such as the Boy Scouts are clear proof of this.

Sorry. It's not a gay problem.

Sorry, it is.

DP. No it's not, and saying that it is is unhelpful.