AAP Appeal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So he did practice questions and a week of practice in school and scored a 133?

No offense but that is not a score that screams LIV. Get the GBRSs and look at them. From what you have said, he has some behavior issues. It is very likely that his Teacher is not seeing the gifted behaviors.

Appeal if you would like but I would be more focused on working on improving his behavior and what he is doing in the classroom because it sounds like there are problems there.

+1000

This isn't a teacher problem IMO.

You are mixing him up with someone else asking here. He got 160 on NNAT and 144 on CogAT.

We were in a similar situation (all scores around 140, NNAT, COGAT, and WISC), GBRS not good: 2O 2F, Advanced Math, and excellent grades. First time - NOT IN. We applied again in Grade 3, with the same NNAT and COGAT (we didn't include WISC) and DC was IN... AAPIV is not what we expected, very slow and not especially advanced...

So your child did not have to take the 3rd grade CogAT? I thought CogAT has different exams for different grade level?

In FCPS, NNAT is given in 1st and COGAT in 2nd. That's it.

Wrong- you can retake cogat one more time in any grade from 3-5. In each cogat becomes tougher to match the grade level

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yup, I got called from his teacher many times for disrupting class, and come up names for other kids… this is why I suspect might be a social and behavior issue here cause his to get rejected. How do I roll this ball up if the appeal fails? I hope the appeal will work.

I am in the similar situation. DC got rejected despite high ability testing result. It would be worthwhile to get your child tested for ADHD. My DC is a twice exceptional kid, gifted with ADHD.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yup, I got called from his teacher many times for disrupting class, and come up names for other kids… this is why I suspect might be a social and behavior issue here cause his to get rejected. How do I roll this ball up if the appeal fails? I hope the appeal will work.

I am in the similar situation. DC got rejected despite high ability testing result. It would be worthwhile to get your child tested for ADHD. My DC is a twice exceptional kid, gifted with ADHD.

Thank you, he’s taking the WISC V, I think they’ll have ways to evaluate. He’s hyper and disruptive, but I never suspected ADHD since he did not have a concentration issue. He can sit and work on things for hours, but as soon as he’s done and if I’m not keep up with him, he would end up on top of a tree or the shed or chasing the house cat… when in a car ride, 20 mins he can ask me 50 questions… so if the class work is not keeping him busy in class, he’ll find other things to do, but not always constructive…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup, I got called from his teacher many times for disrupting class, and come up names for other kids… this is why I suspect might be a social and behavior issue here cause his to get rejected. How do I roll this ball up if the appeal fails? I hope the appeal will work.

I am in the similar situation. DC got rejected despite high ability testing result. It would be worthwhile to get your child tested for ADHD. My DC is a twice exceptional kid, gifted with ADHD.

Thank you, he’s taking the WISC V, I think they’ll have ways to evaluate. He’s hyper and disruptive, but I never suspected ADHD since he did not have a concentration issue. He can sit and work on things for hours, but as soon as he’s done and if I’m not keep up with him, he would end up on top of a tree or the shed or chasing the house cat… when in a car ride, 20 mins he can ask me 50 questions… so if the class work is not keeping him busy in class, he’ll find other things to do, but not always constructive…

He got his whole class cutting the snow flakes after the CogAT test since there were that folding and cutting question…. And he made his whole class flying paper airplanes to test which design goes farther, if I’m a teacher don’t understand what was going on in his head would find it very disruptive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup, I got called from his teacher many times for disrupting class, and come up names for other kids… this is why I suspect might be a social and behavior issue here cause his to get rejected. How do I roll this ball up if the appeal fails? I hope the appeal will work.

I am in the similar situation. DC got rejected despite high ability testing result. It would be worthwhile to get your child tested for ADHD. My DC is a twice exceptional kid, gifted with ADHD.

Thank you, he’s taking the WISC V, I think they’ll have ways to evaluate. He’s hyper and disruptive, but I never suspected ADHD since he did not have a concentration issue. He can sit and work on things for hours, but as soon as he’s done and if I’m not keep up with him, he would end up on top of a tree or the shed or chasing the house cat… when in a car ride, 20 mins he can ask me 50 questions… so if the class work is not keeping him busy in class, he’ll find other things to do, but not always constructive…

He got his whole class cutting the snow flakes after the CogAT test since there were that folding and cutting question…. And he made his whole class flying paper airplanes to test which design goes farther, if I’m a teacher don’t understand what was going on in his head would find it very disruptive.

Write about these events and behaviors in the parent letter that goes with your appeal. These are good examples of why the child’s needs can’t be met in the regular classroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yup, I got called from his teacher many times for disrupting class, and come up names for other kids… this is why I suspect might be a social and behavior issue here cause his to get rejected. How do I roll this ball up if the appeal fails? I hope the appeal will work.

I am in the similar situation. DC got rejected despite high ability testing result. It would be worthwhile to get your child tested for ADHD. My DC is a twice exceptional kid, gifted with ADHD.

Thank you, he’s taking the WISC V, I think they’ll have ways to evaluate. He’s hyper and disruptive, but I never suspected ADHD since he did not have a concentration issue. He can sit and work on things for hours, but as soon as he’s done and if I’m not keep up with him, he would end up on top of a tree or the shed or chasing the house cat… when in a car ride, 20 mins he can ask me 50 questions… so if the class work is not keeping him busy in class, he’ll find other things to do, but not always constructive…

He sounds like a classroom nightmare, OP. I'm sorry to say it, but disciplinary issues are not desirable in any classroom, especially in AAP where the teacher moves at a rapid pace. Get his behaviors under control and reapply next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup, I got called from his teacher many times for disrupting class, and come up names for other kids… this is why I suspect might be a social and behavior issue here cause his to get rejected. How do I roll this ball up if the appeal fails? I hope the appeal will work.

I am in the similar situation. DC got rejected despite high ability testing result. It would be worthwhile to get your child tested for ADHD. My DC is a twice exceptional kid, gifted with ADHD.

Thank you, he’s taking the WISC V, I think they’ll have ways to evaluate. He’s hyper and disruptive, but I never suspected ADHD since he did not have a concentration issue. He can sit and work on things for hours, but as soon as he’s done and if I’m not keep up with him, he would end up on top of a tree or the shed or chasing the house cat… when in a car ride, 20 mins he can ask me 50 questions… so if the class work is not keeping him busy in class, he’ll find other things to do, but not always constructive…

He got his whole class cutting the snow flakes after the CogAT test since there were that folding and cutting question…. And he made his whole class flying paper airplanes to test which design goes farther, if I’m a teacher don’t understand what was going on in his head would find it very disruptive.

An AAP teacher isn't going to "understand what is going on in his head" when he disrupts the entire class with his antics. They aren't there to foster spontaneous creativity. I can't speak for other schools, but at my DC's center, the pace is quick and there's not a lot of time for nonsense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So he did practice questions and a week of practice in school and scored a 133?

No offense but that is not a score that screams LIV. Get the GBRSs and look at them. From what you have said, he has some behavior issues. It is very likely that his Teacher is not seeing the gifted behaviors.

Appeal if you would like but I would be more focused on working on improving his behavior and what he is doing in the classroom because it sounds like there are problems there.

+1000

This isn't a teacher problem IMO.

You are mixing him up with someone else asking here. He got 160 on NNAT and 144 on CogAT.

We were in a similar situation (all scores around 140, NNAT, COGAT, and WISC), GBRS not good: 2O 2F, Advanced Math, and excellent grades. First time - NOT IN. We applied again in Grade 3, with the same NNAT and COGAT (we didn't include WISC) and DC was IN... AAPIV is not what we expected, very slow and not especially advanced...

So your child did not have to take the 3rd grade CogAT? I thought CogAT has different exams for different grade level?

In FCPS, NNAT is given in 1st and COGAT in 2nd. That's it.

Wrong- you can retake cogat one more time in any grade from 3-5. In each cogat becomes tougher to match the grade level

Right. But it's not something that is automatically done, which is what the PP asked. There isn't a 3rd grade test that is given like there is a 1st and 2nd grade test that is given.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup, I got called from his teacher many times for disrupting class, and come up names for other kids… this is why I suspect might be a social and behavior issue here cause his to get rejected. How do I roll this ball up if the appeal fails? I hope the appeal will work.

I am in the similar situation. DC got rejected despite high ability testing result. It would be worthwhile to get your child tested for ADHD. My DC is a twice exceptional kid, gifted with ADHD.

Thank you, he’s taking the WISC V, I think they’ll have ways to evaluate. He’s hyper and disruptive, but I never suspected ADHD since he did not have a concentration issue. He can sit and work on things for hours, but as soon as he’s done and if I’m not keep up with him, he would end up on top of a tree or the shed or chasing the house cat… when in a car ride, 20 mins he can ask me 50 questions… so if the class work is not keeping him busy in class, he’ll find other things to do, but not always constructive…

He sounds like a classroom nightmare, OP. I'm sorry to say it, but disciplinary issues are not desirable in any classroom, especially in AAP where the teacher moves at a rapid pace. Get his behaviors under control and reapply next year.

DP. There are a lot of 2E and classroom nightmare kids in AAP. At a good center with experienced teachers, they are familiar with these kids and do great with them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup, I got called from his teacher many times for disrupting class, and come up names for other kids… this is why I suspect might be a social and behavior issue here cause his to get rejected. How do I roll this ball up if the appeal fails? I hope the appeal will work.

I am in the similar situation. DC got rejected despite high ability testing result. It would be worthwhile to get your child tested for ADHD. My DC is a twice exceptional kid, gifted with ADHD.

Thank you, he’s taking the WISC V, I think they’ll have ways to evaluate. He’s hyper and disruptive, but I never suspected ADHD since he did not have a concentration issue. He can sit and work on things for hours, but as soon as he’s done and if I’m not keep up with him, he would end up on top of a tree or the shed or chasing the house cat… when in a car ride, 20 mins he can ask me 50 questions… so if the class work is not keeping him busy in class, he’ll find other things to do, but not always constructive…

He sounds like a classroom nightmare, OP. I'm sorry to say it, but disciplinary issues are not desirable in any classroom, especially in AAP where the teacher moves at a rapid pace. Get his behaviors under control and reapply next year.

DP. There are a lot of 2E and classroom nightmare kids in AAP. At a good center with experienced teachers, they are familiar with these kids and do great with them

Those experienced AAP teachers can’t help him get IN to the program though. If he’s causing havoc, the GBRS will reflect that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup, I got called from his teacher many times for disrupting class, and come up names for other kids… this is why I suspect might be a social and behavior issue here cause his to get rejected. How do I roll this ball up if the appeal fails? I hope the appeal will work.

I am in the similar situation. DC got rejected despite high ability testing result. It would be worthwhile to get your child tested for ADHD. My DC is a twice exceptional kid, gifted with ADHD.

Thank you, he’s taking the WISC V, I think they’ll have ways to evaluate. He’s hyper and disruptive, but I never suspected ADHD since he did not have a concentration issue. He can sit and work on things for hours, but as soon as he’s done and if I’m not keep up with him, he would end up on top of a tree or the shed or chasing the house cat… when in a car ride, 20 mins he can ask me 50 questions… so if the class work is not keeping him busy in class, he’ll find other things to do, but not always constructive…

He sounds like a classroom nightmare, OP. I'm sorry to say it, but disciplinary issues are not desirable in any classroom, especially in AAP where the teacher moves at a rapid pace. Get his behaviors under control and reapply next year.

DP. There are a lot of 2E and classroom nightmare kids in AAP. At a good center with experienced teachers, they are familiar with these kids and do great with them

Those experienced AAP teachers can’t help him get IN to the program though. If he’s causing havoc, the GBRS will reflect that.

DP. That's sad, though, since the kids like OP's son are the ones who need gifted programming the most. 2E kids and disruptive but gifted kids are the ones who can easily fall through the cracks and really need teachers trained to handle them as well as a sufficiently engaging curriculum. The above average, well behaved kids that get the high GBRS scores and comprise the majority of kids in AAP would honestly bloom wherever they're planted. It's kind of like the people at Gatehouse heading the AAP program know absolutely nothing about gifted children and their needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup, I got called from his teacher many times for disrupting class, and come up names for other kids… this is why I suspect might be a social and behavior issue here cause his to get rejected. How do I roll this ball up if the appeal fails? I hope the appeal will work.

I am in the similar situation. DC got rejected despite high ability testing result. It would be worthwhile to get your child tested for ADHD. My DC is a twice exceptional kid, gifted with ADHD.

Thank you, he’s taking the WISC V, I think they’ll have ways to evaluate. He’s hyper and disruptive, but I never suspected ADHD since he did not have a concentration issue. He can sit and work on things for hours, but as soon as he’s done and if I’m not keep up with him, he would end up on top of a tree or the shed or chasing the house cat… when in a car ride, 20 mins he can ask me 50 questions… so if the class work is not keeping him busy in class, he’ll find other things to do, but not always constructive…

He sounds like a classroom nightmare, OP. I'm sorry to say it, but disciplinary issues are not desirable in any classroom, especially in AAP where the teacher moves at a rapid pace. Get his behaviors under control and reapply next year.

DP. There are a lot of 2E and classroom nightmare kids in AAP. At a good center with experienced teachers, they are familiar with these kids and do great with them

Those experienced AAP teachers can’t help him get IN to the program though. If he’s causing havoc, the GBRS will reflect that.

Obviously those kids have gotten into AAP. That's how the teachers have gotten experience. The GBRS will reflect a child, havoc doesn't keep a child out of AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup, I got called from his teacher many times for disrupting class, and come up names for other kids… this is why I suspect might be a social and behavior issue here cause his to get rejected. How do I roll this ball up if the appeal fails? I hope the appeal will work.

I am in the similar situation. DC got rejected despite high ability testing result. It would be worthwhile to get your child tested for ADHD. My DC is a twice exceptional kid, gifted with ADHD.

Thank you, he’s taking the WISC V, I think they’ll have ways to evaluate. He’s hyper and disruptive, but I never suspected ADHD since he did not have a concentration issue. He can sit and work on things for hours, but as soon as he’s done and if I’m not keep up with him, he would end up on top of a tree or the shed or chasing the house cat… when in a car ride, 20 mins he can ask me 50 questions… so if the class work is not keeping him busy in class, he’ll find other things to do, but not always constructive…

He sounds like a classroom nightmare, OP. I'm sorry to say it, but disciplinary issues are not desirable in any classroom, especially in AAP where the teacher moves at a rapid pace. Get his behaviors under control and reapply next year.

+1

Where did the paper come from? Did he sneak it from the teachers’s stash? Was that off-task from what the teacher was asking of the students?

[blueseahorse30]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup, I got called from his teacher many times for disrupting class, and come up names for other kids… this is why I suspect might be a social and behavior issue here cause his to get rejected. How do I roll this ball up if the appeal fails? I hope the appeal will work.

I am in the similar situation. DC got rejected despite high ability testing result. It would be worthwhile to get your child tested for ADHD. My DC is a twice exceptional kid, gifted with ADHD.

Thank you, he’s taking the WISC V, I think they’ll have ways to evaluate. He’s hyper and disruptive, but I never suspected ADHD since he did not have a concentration issue. He can sit and work on things for hours, but as soon as he’s done and if I’m not keep up with him, he would end up on top of a tree or the shed or chasing the house cat… when in a car ride, 20 mins he can ask me 50 questions… so if the class work is not keeping him busy in class, he’ll find other things to do, but not always constructive…

He sounds like a classroom nightmare, OP. I'm sorry to say it, but disciplinary issues are not desirable in any classroom, especially in AAP where the teacher moves at a rapid pace. Get his behaviors under control and reapply next year.

+1

Where did the paper come from? Did he sneak it from the teachers’s stash? Was that off-task from what the teacher was asking of the students?

It was time between classes where the kids have some free time to do things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup, I got called from his teacher many times for disrupting class, and come up names for other kids… this is why I suspect might be a social and behavior issue here cause his to get rejected. How do I roll this ball up if the appeal fails? I hope the appeal will work.

I am in the similar situation. DC got rejected despite high ability testing result. It would be worthwhile to get your child tested for ADHD. My DC is a twice exceptional kid, gifted with ADHD.

Thank you, he’s taking the WISC V, I think they’ll have ways to evaluate. He’s hyper and disruptive, but I never suspected ADHD since he did not have a concentration issue. He can sit and work on things for hours, but as soon as he’s done and if I’m not keep up with him, he would end up on top of a tree or the shed or chasing the house cat… when in a car ride, 20 mins he can ask me 50 questions… so if the class work is not keeping him busy in class, he’ll find other things to do, but not always constructive…

He sounds like a classroom nightmare, OP. I'm sorry to say it, but disciplinary issues are not desirable in any classroom, especially in AAP where the teacher moves at a rapid pace. Get his behaviors under control and reapply next year.

DP. There are a lot of 2E and classroom nightmare kids in AAP. At a good center with experienced teachers, they are familiar with these kids and do great with them

Those experienced AAP teachers can’t help him get IN to the program though. If he’s causing havoc, the GBRS will reflect that.

Obviously those kids have gotten into AAP. That's how the teachers have gotten experience. The GBRS will reflect a child, havoc doesn't keep a child out of AAP.

Yes, and if the child is horsing around so much, there’s no way a teacher can fairly say he’s motivated to learn.