colleges approaching $80-90k per year

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Almost all the privates??

Nah most discount down to $45-60k.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's compare Big10 Conference schools Cost of Attendance, Salary upon graduation etc.

https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/best-schools/big-ten-conference/#:~:text=The%20average%20undergraduate%20tuition%20%26%20fees,the%20academic%20year%202022%2D2023.

PP here: a further look at room and board should be considered with each of these.

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I just did the abbreviated NPC for UIUC this week and for an in-state kid, Grainger Engineering, the full cost was $40k, no financial aid for a middle class family of 3.

So if you have not been able to save enough, there is NIU that has engineering/CS and tuition is almost 10K less. It's up to your family to decide which is better. There are options that are more affordable.

Which is dramatically less prestigious than UIUC. Nothing meritocratic about that paradigm whatsoever, but the facade of it is funny.

obviously UIUC is "more prestigious". If you deem that prestige worth the extra $10K (in loans or out of your pocket so that you are not saving that for retirement during the college years), then you are free to pay it. That is your choice. But you are making it seem like there are not affordable options for kids, and that is incorrect. They exist, you just want a "luxury" product that you cannot afford. Which is a bit silly, since for CS/Engineering, it does not really matter where you go for undergrad. If you maintain a good GPA and finish the degree, your kid will find a good job.
So you can decide if spending that extra $10K per year is worth it or not. If it is, you can sign for parental loans and put your kid thru UIUC.

The reality is that it is embarrassing for families to send their kids to Northern Illinois University or similar. I am NOT saying that feeling is valid, but it exists. It’s hard to show up for college t-shirt day on 5/1 wearing a shirt of a college that “dumb” kids go to. Again I’m just stating what my students have told me over the years. I’m not really sure how to change these perceptions.

So you will let "perceptions" put you and your kid into major debt? That seems quite silly. Do you also buy luxury cars when you can only afford a Kia, just because you are afraid of perceptions? I'm genuinely curious

The way to start changing it is for people to do what's best for them, and stop going into massive debt for college when there are other choices. Because ultimately, a smart kid would shine at NIU, graduate debt free and possibly get merit so have more money for getting started or grad degree. Engineers are engineering, if they finish the program anywhere they will get a good job, especially if they are smart and motivated (and if they gain admission to UIUC they likely are).

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Anonymous wrote:Let's compare Big10 Conference schools Cost of Attendance, Salary upon graduation etc.

https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/best-schools/big-ten-conference/#:~:text=The%20average%20undergraduate%20tuition%20%26%20fees,the%20academic%20year%202022%2D2023.

PP here: a further look at room and board should be considered with each of these.

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I just did the abbreviated NPC for UIUC this week and for an in-state kid, Grainger Engineering, the full cost was $40k, no financial aid for a middle class family of 3.

So if you have not been able to save enough, there is NIU that has engineering/CS and tuition is almost 10K less. It's up to your family to decide which is better. There are options that are more affordable.

Never said I haven't saved enough for in-state tuition at UIUC. I was merely pointing out that the full cost of attendance for in-state UIUC is more than double what is listed on pp's link.

As for the Grainger Engineering specifically, I also realize there is no guarantee of admittance for in-state kids, but to suggest NIU as reasonable alternative seems somewhat disingenuous on your part.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's compare Big10 Conference schools Cost of Attendance, Salary upon graduation etc.

https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/best-schools/big-ten-conference/#:~:text=The%20average%20undergraduate%20tuition%20%26%20fees,the%20academic%20year%202022%2D2023.

PP here: a further look at room and board should be considered with each of these.

+1
I just did the abbreviated NPC for UIUC this week and for an in-state kid, Grainger Engineering, the full cost was $40k, no financial aid for a middle class family of 3.

So if you have not been able to save enough, there is NIU that has engineering/CS and tuition is almost 10K less. It's up to your family to decide which is better. There are options that are more affordable.

Never said I haven't saved enough for in-state tuition at UIUC. I was merely pointing out that the full cost of attendance for in-state UIUC is more than double what is listed on pp's link.

As for the Grainger Engineering specifically, I also realize there is no guarantee of admittance for in-state kids, but to suggest NIU as reasonable alternative seems somewhat disingenuous on your part.

Why? People need to get over the chasing prestige mentality and pick a school they can afford that offers the majors they are interested in. There are lots of schools between UIUC and NIU in terms of "prestige"/quality. Someone that could get into UIUC engineering could likely find 5-10 private schools that would offer them merit that would make college more affordable. If I didn't have the money (not saying you don't, but many people do not), I would search for one where I was not going into debt and it wouldn't put a strain on my family.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's compare Big10 Conference schools Cost of Attendance, Salary upon graduation etc.

https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/best-schools/big-ten-conference/#:~:text=The%20average%20undergraduate%20tuition%20%26%20fees,the%20academic%20year%202022%2D2023.

PP here: a further look at room and board should be considered with each of these.

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I just did the abbreviated NPC for UIUC this week and for an in-state kid, Grainger Engineering, the full cost was $40k, no financial aid for a middle class family of 3.

So if you have not been able to save enough, there is NIU that has engineering/CS and tuition is almost 10K less. It's up to your family to decide which is better. There are options that are more affordable.

Never said I haven't saved enough for in-state tuition at UIUC. I was merely pointing out that the full cost of attendance for in-state UIUC is more than double what is listed on pp's link.

As for the Grainger Engineering specifically, I also realize there is no guarantee of admittance for in-state kids, but to suggest NIU as reasonable alternative seems somewhat disingenuous on your part.

Why? People need to get over the chasing prestige mentality and pick a school they can afford that offers the majors they are interested in. There are lots of schools between UIUC and NIU in terms of "prestige"/quality. Someone that could get into UIUC engineering could likely find 5-10 private schools that would offer them merit that would make college more affordable. If I didn't have the money (not saying you don't, but many people do not), I would search for one where I was not going into debt and it wouldn't put a strain on my family.

PP here, not sure if you are responding directly to me or not? But that's exactly the point I was making. Why even bring up NIU engineering when there are other more appropriate options to consider, both IS and OOS.

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For some families, the cost is not a concern. We have one child at a $53k per year school and the other at an $82k per year school. We are full pay for both, and each child is where they wanted to be

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Another factor to consider is, while an instate flagship schools can offer a good education at a reasonable cost - getting into them is no longer a guarantee. I know several families that have very limited means, they were not admitted to their instate flagship and the remaining options don't provide them with significant merit. It will have to be a community college with transfer options for them to get in.

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Anonymous wrote:Another factor to consider is, while an instate flagship schools can offer a good education at a reasonable cost - getting into them is no longer a guarantee. I know several families that have very limited means, they were not admitted to their instate flagship and the remaining options don't provide them with significant merit. It will have to be a community college with transfer options for them to get in.

Uh, no. Most large states (including MD & VA) have a bunch of solid state universities besides the state flagship. What an odd statement.

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Almost all the privates??

Nah most discount down to $45-60k.

$35

40% are full pay

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It’s a total scam and they know it.

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It is the high price that makes it worthwhile.

As you say, knowledge is free. Between the internet and the library you can access pretty much everything for zero cost. That is not what college is about.

It is a) a signal to employers that you had a good enough combination of intelligence, money and background to be admitted, and b) it is about the contacts you make there.

The contacts you make in place that charges $100 k a year are going to be far wealthier, and therefore far likelier to succeed, because they have every advantage already, than the contacts you will make in a place that charges $10k a year.

It is simply a way for the elites to perpetuate themselves. Nothing to do with education.

And let's not pretend we don't love it for that very reason. I don't know how my kids would fare if they were born into a working class family in West Virginia or Detroit. And, thanks to the US plutocratic system, I am never going to have to find out.

Agree 100% with this.

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Get an IT certification instead. Better ROI.

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Anonymous wrote:Another factor to consider is, while an instate flagship schools can offer a good education at a reasonable cost - getting into them is no longer a guarantee. I know several families that have very limited means, they were not admitted to their instate flagship and the remaining options don't provide them with significant merit. It will have to be a community college with transfer options for them to get in.

Uh, no. Most large states (including MD & VA) have a bunch of solid state universities besides the state flagship. What an odd statement.

Please provide what these "solid" MD state schools are?

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Anonymous wrote:Another factor to consider is, while an instate flagship schools can offer a good education at a reasonable cost - getting into them is no longer a guarantee. I know several families that have very limited means, they were not admitted to their instate flagship and the remaining options don't provide them with significant merit. It will have to be a community college with transfer options for them to get in.

Uh, no. Most large states (including MD & VA) have a bunch of solid state universities besides the state flagship. What an odd statement.

Please provide what these "solid" MD state schools are?

UMBC, Towson

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Anonymous wrote:Get an IT certification instead. Better ROI.

what certificates?

it doesn't work that way