Team work dinner scheduled first night of Passover

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would definitely point it out. I feel like if you mention it is the first night of Passover, any reasonable person would say, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize. I would certainly mention it before making any kind of decision about which to prioritize.

+1

The answer is so simple, yet there are 4 pages of overthinking. And if he does not reschedule it, don't attend. Are you in the DC area? Even if he does not know when passover is, he will understand that it's a high holiday and it's importance.

+2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I think you can go with "I'm looking forward to the meetings Wednesday and Thursday but I can't make the dinner Wednesday night because of Passover" and leave it at that.

That may trigger him to cancel it if there are other people on the team for whom it would create a conflict.

But that's never going to change the way this person, or others act going forward. By pointing it out, it raises awareness.

That seems like pointing it out to me.

If there’s some way to automatically load holidays into Outlook, I’d love to know how.

I think it's the Outlook option titled, United State Holidays. They are definitely all pre-populated on my iphone.

Mine only has that option as a separate calendar, unless I use the overlay feature, which creates a different problem for me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re not comfortable, have a colleague send a note pointing out that it’s the first night of Passover. Most non-Jews wouldn’t have put it together. That would give him the opportunity to reschedule. If there isn’t such a person, then decline the dinner on account of Passover.

+1. Most likely an oversight. Most non-Jews probably don’t know the exact dates of Passover off the top of their head.

I hate excuses like this. It’s on every calendar. No one scheduled anything on Christian holidays. It is time to do better.

I hate this woke attitude. With all the different religions out there, if we had to schedule everything around every religious holidays, there would be very few days left to schedule anything. People will also start complaining about meetings being scheduled on the day they have a cultural event to celebrate. With all the different cultures out there, there would be even fewer days left to schedule anything.

Stop this madness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re not comfortable, have a colleague send a note pointing out that it’s the first night of Passover. Most non-Jews wouldn’t have put it together. That would give him the opportunity to reschedule. If there isn’t such a person, then decline the dinner on account of Passover.

+1. Most likely an oversight. Most non-Jews probably don’t know the exact dates of Passover off the top of their head.

I hate excuses like this. It’s on every calendar. No one scheduled anything on Christian holidays. It is time to do better.

I hate this woke attitude. With all the different religions out there, if we had to schedule everything around every religious holidays, there would be very few days left to schedule anything. People will also start complaining about meetings being scheduled on the day they have a cultural event to celebrate. With all the different cultures out there, there would be even fewer days left to schedule anything.

Stop this madness.

I thought the anti-woke police were the ones always screaming about discrimination agains religious people. Or is there only one religion that deserves respect in your view?

[Anonymous]

Very simple, mention it and let your boss know you can't attend. Hopefully the person is considerate enough to say "oh wow, my bad. Yes, I'll reschedule"

I'm a practicing Christian and will say that I remember things like Yom Kippur and Passover partly because I have so many friends who celebrate but do forget less common holidays or celebrations such as Nowruz with which I don't cross paths often. It would be totally acceptable to say something. Far less important, but last year I told my boss that I was skipping a team event because it was my birthday. If I'm going out to dinner I'm doing it with friends and family that day, not my colleagues. They went forward with it since part of our team was in from out of town, but my absence was fine.

OP, you mention that you too often put work over family. Hopefully you'll also take this lesson to heart if you're ever a manager and an employee mentions putting priority on something family-related.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re not comfortable, have a colleague send a note pointing out that it’s the first night of Passover. Most non-Jews wouldn’t have put it together. That would give him the opportunity to reschedule. If there isn’t such a person, then decline the dinner on account of Passover.

+1. Most likely an oversight. Most non-Jews probably don’t know the exact dates of Passover off the top of their head.

I hate excuses like this. It’s on every calendar. No one scheduled anything on Christian holidays. It is time to do better.

I hate this woke attitude. With all the different religions out there, if we had to schedule everything around every religious holidays, there would be very few days left to schedule anything. People will also start complaining about meetings being scheduled on the day they have a cultural event to celebrate. With all the different cultures out there, there would be even fewer days left to schedule anything.

Stop this madness.

Nope, you're wrong.

Also, many calendars autofill Jewish holidays and list them for the first day - not the first night when Jews actually start the observance.

[Anonymous]

Update Op??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would definitely point it out. I feel like if you mention it is the first night of Passover, any reasonable person would say, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize. I would certainly mention it before making any kind of decision about which to prioritize.

+1

The answer is so simple, yet there are 4 pages of overthinking. And if he does not reschedule it, don't attend. Are you in the DC area? Even if he does not know when passover is, he will understand that it's a high holiday and it's importance.

+2

+3 Follow this advice. Don't overthink.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re not comfortable, have a colleague send a note pointing out that it’s the first night of Passover. Most non-Jews wouldn’t have put it together. That would give him the opportunity to reschedule. If there isn’t such a person, then decline the dinner on account of Passover.

+1. Most likely an oversight. Most non-Jews probably don’t know the exact dates of Passover off the top of their head.

I hate excuses like this. It’s on every calendar. No one scheduled anything on Christian holidays. It is time to do better.

I hate this woke attitude. With all the different religions out there, if we had to schedule everything around every religious holidays, there would be very few days left to schedule anything. People will also start complaining about meetings being scheduled on the day they have a cultural event to celebrate. With all the different cultures out there, there would be even fewer days left to schedule anything.

Stop this madness.

Nope, you're wrong.

Also, many calendars autofill Jewish holidays and list them for the first day - not the first night when Jews actually start the observance.

So life is supposed to stop for everyone for 2% of the population, maybe half of whom care about the holiday anyway?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re not comfortable, have a colleague send a note pointing out that it’s the first night of Passover. Most non-Jews wouldn’t have put it together. That would give him the opportunity to reschedule. If there isn’t such a person, then decline the dinner on account of Passover.

+1. Most likely an oversight. Most non-Jews probably don’t know the exact dates of Passover off the top of their head.

I hate excuses like this. It’s on every calendar. No one scheduled anything on Christian holidays. It is time to do better.

I hate this woke attitude. With all the different religions out there, if we had to schedule everything around every religious holidays, there would be very few days left to schedule anything. People will also start complaining about meetings being scheduled on the day they have a cultural event to celebrate. With all the different cultures out there, there would be even fewer days left to schedule anything.

Stop this madness.

I thought the anti-woke police were the ones always screaming about discrimination agains religious people. Or is there only one religion that deserves respect in your view?

DP. In terms of scheduling, it's completely reasonable to "respect" the events that are celebrated by the significant majority of people in this country, but not those by small groups.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re not comfortable, have a colleague send a note pointing out that it’s the first night of Passover. Most non-Jews wouldn’t have put it together. That would give him the opportunity to reschedule. If there isn’t such a person, then decline the dinner on account of Passover.

+1. Most likely an oversight. Most non-Jews probably don’t know the exact dates of Passover off the top of their head.

I hate excuses like this. It’s on every calendar. No one scheduled anything on Christian holidays. It is time to do better.

I hate this woke attitude. With all the different religions out there, if we had to schedule everything around every religious holidays, there would be very few days left to schedule anything. People will also start complaining about meetings being scheduled on the day they have a cultural event to celebrate. With all the different cultures out there, there would be even fewer days left to schedule anything.

Stop this madness.

Nope, you're wrong.

Also, many calendars autofill Jewish holidays and list them for the first day - not the first night when Jews actually start the observance.

So life is supposed to stop for everyone for 2% of the population, maybe half of whom care about the holiday anyway?

+1. I'm sorry, but in most parts of the country, observant Jewish people are less than a percent of the population. There needs to be give and take on things that fall on a weekday.

The most holy Christian holiday of Easter is always a Sunday, and Good Friday is obv a Friday and not too many work dinners happen on Fridays! That leaves Christmas. There aren't a lot of Christian holidays that affect business. There seem to be a lot of Jewish holidays. Someone in a group I'm in gets upset when our STANDING meeting falls on a Jewish holiday. Like, come on.

[Anonymous]

I personally don’t think team building dinners should be mandatory for anyone for any reason.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re not comfortable, have a colleague send a note pointing out that it’s the first night of Passover. Most non-Jews wouldn’t have put it together. That would give him the opportunity to reschedule. If there isn’t such a person, then decline the dinner on account of Passover.

+1. Most likely an oversight. Most non-Jews probably don’t know the exact dates of Passover off the top of their head.

I hate excuses like this. It’s on every calendar. No one scheduled anything on Christian holidays. It is time to do better.

I hate this woke attitude. With all the different religions out there, if we had to schedule everything around every religious holidays, there would be very few days left to schedule anything. People will also start complaining about meetings being scheduled on the day they have a cultural event to celebrate. With all the different cultures out there, there would be even fewer days left to schedule anything.

Stop this madness.

Nope, you're wrong.

Also, many calendars autofill Jewish holidays and list them for the first day - not the first night when Jews actually start the observance.

So life is supposed to stop for everyone for 2% of the population, maybe half of whom care about the holiday anyway?

+1. I'm sorry, but in most parts of the country, observant Jewish people are less than a percent of the population. There needs to be give and take on things that fall on a weekday.

The most holy Christian holiday of Easter is always a Sunday, and Good Friday is obv a Friday and not too many work dinners happen on Fridays! That leaves Christmas. There aren't a lot of Christian holidays that affect business. There seem to be a lot of Jewish holidays. Someone in a group I'm in gets upset when our STANDING meeting falls on a Jewish holiday. Like, come on.

But we’re not in flyover country. We are on the East Coast, where every professional workplace has a meaningful Jewish population. Supervisors should make an effort not to schedule obligations on the main Jewish holidays. At a minimum reschedule with grace when it is called to their attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re not comfortable, have a colleague send a note pointing out that it’s the first night of Passover. Most non-Jews wouldn’t have put it together. That would give him the opportunity to reschedule. If there isn’t such a person, then decline the dinner on account of Passover.

+1. Most likely an oversight. Most non-Jews probably don’t know the exact dates of Passover off the top of their head.

I hate excuses like this. It’s on every calendar. No one scheduled anything on Christian holidays. It is time to do better.

I hate this woke attitude. With all the different religions out there, if we had to schedule everything around every religious holidays, there would be very few days left to schedule anything. People will also start complaining about meetings being scheduled on the day they have a cultural event to celebrate. With all the different cultures out there, there would be even fewer days left to schedule anything.

Stop this madness.

I thought the anti-woke police were the ones always screaming about discrimination agains religious people. Or is there only one religion that deserves respect in your view?

DP. In terms of scheduling, it's completely reasonable to "respect" the events that are celebrated by the significant majority of people in this country, but not those by small groups.

If you are scheduling something for a "team" then the relevant question is what the team members celebrate. OP is a member of the team so her religious observances matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re not comfortable, have a colleague send a note pointing out that it’s the first night of Passover. Most non-Jews wouldn’t have put it together. That would give him the opportunity to reschedule. If there isn’t such a person, then decline the dinner on account of Passover.

+1. Most likely an oversight. Most non-Jews probably don’t know the exact dates of Passover off the top of their head.

I hate excuses like this. It’s on every calendar. No one scheduled anything on Christian holidays. It is time to do better.

I hate this woke attitude. With all the different religions out there, if we had to schedule everything around every religious holidays, there would be very few days left to schedule anything. People will also start complaining about meetings being scheduled on the day they have a cultural event to celebrate. With all the different cultures out there, there would be even fewer days left to schedule anything.

Stop this madness.

Nope, you're wrong.

Also, many calendars autofill Jewish holidays and list them for the first day - not the first night when Jews actually start the observance.

So life is supposed to stop for everyone for 2% of the population, maybe half of whom care about the holiday anyway?

+1. I'm sorry, but in most parts of the country, observant Jewish people are less than a percent of the population. There needs to be give and take on things that fall on a weekday.

The most holy Christian holiday of Easter is always a Sunday, and Good Friday is obv a Friday and not too many work dinners happen on Fridays! That leaves Christmas. There aren't a lot of Christian holidays that affect business. There seem to be a lot of Jewish holidays. Someone in a group I'm in gets upset when our STANDING meeting falls on a Jewish holiday. Like, come on.

The only reason there aren’t a lot of Christian holidays that affect business is that the calendar is based around Christian holidays and schedules.