The State of Virginia Colleges

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Anonymous wrote:The consequence will be that schools like VCU, CNU and JMU will continue to “gentrify” and become more desirable as students get shut out of VT, W&M and UVa.

This was my point! It will make it impossible for these students to get into one of these schools because more kids will only have them as an option. Unless you have a senior in a NOVA high school you don't know what I am talking about. Kids with 4.0's not getting into VT, their only option is JMU or out of state because they don't want to go to one of the other schools. Now JMU is becoming harder to get into because kids with 4.0's have to stay in state and JMU is recognized as a strong school. Some parents don't want to spend 100K on a Radford education!

drop the entitled attitude

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Literally thousands go to those other schools.

+1
VA has tons of schools for a whole range of kids. We are very lucky.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Literally thousands go to those other schools.

Is the same person constantly spamming the same dumb advice? Would you send your kid to UDC? University of South Carolina, Aiken? Lindsey Wilson College?

DP. You can't be serious. Comparing the college offerings in VA to your bizarre list that no one has ever heard of? Spare us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Literally thousands go to those other schools.

Is the same person constantly spamming the same dumb advice? Would you send your kid to UDC? University of South Carolina, Aiken? Lindsey Wilson College?

There is a world of options between VT and UDC, and you knew that.

There are not 'thousands' There are a few hundred at best, far less if you cut out commuter campuses half way across the country. US news calls 443 universities national, and another 180 regional. UDC isn't even the lowest ranked regional university, so if UDC is unimaginably lowly, then your real number doesn't even approach thousands

The PP was referring to thousands of STUDENTS: "literally thousands go to those other schools." And, she's correct.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Literally thousands go to those other schools.

Is the same person constantly spamming the same dumb advice? Would you send your kid to UDC? University of South Carolina, Aiken? Lindsey Wilson College?

There is a world of options between VT and UDC, and you knew that.

There are not 'thousands' There are a few hundred at best, far less if you cut out commuter campuses half way across the country. US news calls 443 universities national, and another 180 regional. UDC isn't even the lowest ranked regional university, so if UDC is unimaginably lowly, then your real number doesn't even approach thousands

The original post was about VIRGINIA schools, not UDC or other schools across the country. Keep to the topic, people!

PP said there are 'literally thousands of other schools" Are you implying that they were referring to the thousands of colleges and universities in Virginia?

DP. Learn to read! She said: Literally thousands go to those other schools."

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Anonymous wrote:However bad you think the options are in Virginia, agree that there are many more tiers and affordable options relative to other states.

[b]UF and UGA are as good as or better than comparable Virginia options, larger, and virtually free in state

But most reading this are OOS so your point is irrelevant. UF is $46,000 OOS and UGA is $48,000 OOS. GMU (where DC went) is $13,404 tuition and $27K all in when housing is added. Add is the benefit of driving instead of flying and you can see why in-state Virginia is so popoular.

OK, but why are we celebrating Virginia for having in state options that cost 40k a year when other states manage to offer comparable schools for far cheaper

What other states? BTW USC (private) just announced it's going to $90K this fall. [b]UVA with its 35+ campuses is a great deal.

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OP, I don't think you know what you are talking about. Next to California with its 9 UCs and 23 Cal States and huge community college system, Virginia is the next best thing in the United States. But the problem with the UC system is the extreme expense for OOS (most everyone reading here) and the fact that UC has tightened the reigns for admission of OOS (an a no-go for the Cal STates - they are reserved almost exclusively for Californians) and International to 10% (UVA is 26% OSS International) which makes it virtually inaccessible to anyone in the DCUM area. Even if you get in OOS, Berkeley is $73K a year.

Florida, as pointed out is more expensive for OOS.

Texas, like California, is mostly limited to in-state students The voters in that state, like California, have objected to having state schools educate so many OOS.

Maryland has, well only 12 institutions of varying quality. https://www.usmd.edu/. UMCP is a great deal but you have to get in and $56K OOS.

UVA has 35 institutions of higher learning and a generous community college transfer system that allows anyone to attend a 2-year college, live at home and transfer to their choice of Virginia 4 year institution if they meet the GPA and course requrements. Only California offers a similar system. All of the Virginia 4 year schools are cheaper than any other OOS public or private.

FWIW, GMU's board entertained a motion to increase tuition this past year. Friends on the Board voted it down. Expenses have to be covered, especially as a large number of OOS and International students are included in Virginia's school. Many Virginians would like to see UVA and others cap OOS at 10% or less like California and Texas.

DP. While I agree with your post, calling VA universities "UVA" is confusing. UVA doesn't have "35 different campuses." You mean, Virginia, the state (or commonwealth ).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:3.5 - 3.8 students are still going to great VA colleges. They are still getting into JMU, sometimes VA Tech, definitely CNU, VCU. and there are options that are suitable for those with lower GPAs as well.

They are NOT getting into these schools as easily as you think.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The consequence will be that schools like VCU, CNU and JMU will continue to “gentrify” and become more desirable as students get shut out of VT, W&M and UVa.

This was my point! It will make it impossible for these students to get into one of these schools because more kids will only have them as an option. Unless you have a senior in a NOVA high school you don't know what I am talking about. Kids with 4.0's not getting into VT, their only option is JMU or out of state because they don't want to go to one of the other schools. Now JMU is becoming harder to get into because kids with 4.0's have to stay in state and JMU is recognized as a strong school. Some parents don't want to spend 100K on a Radford education!

But enough kids will go to those other schools that they’ll eventually become good and widely desirable.

Most of them already ARE good - you simply have a very skewed opinion.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The consequence will be that schools like VCU, CNU and JMU will continue to “gentrify” and become more desirable as students get shut out of VT, W&M and UVa.

This was my point! It will make it impossible for these students to get into one of these schools because more kids will only have them as an option. Unless you have a senior in a NOVA high school you don't know what I am talking about. Kids with 4.0's not getting into VT, their only option is JMU or out of state because they don't want to go to one of the other schools. Now JMU is becoming harder to get into because kids with 4.0's have to stay in state and JMU is recognized as a strong school. Some parents don't want to spend 100K on a Radford education!

But enough kids will go to those other schools that they’ll eventually become good and widely desirable.

Most of them already ARE good - you simply have a very skewed opinion.
DP

+1 exactly

[Anonymous]

Virginia ranks fourth nationally for K-12 education. You guys seem to forget that ALL of Virginia has VERY strong schools, from Bristol up to Roanoke over to Virginia Beach up to Winchester. Admission into Virginia's colleges and universities isn't just about you in NOVA. Your kids are competing against the students of ROVA (Rest of Virginia) who are very strong, as well. You dismiss them as invisible. But come application time, they are there and they are getting into all the schools. I can see how it's a wake-up call.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Virginia ranks fourth nationally for K-12 education. You guys seem to forget that ALL of Virginia has VERY strong schools, from Bristol up to Roanoke over to Virginia Beach up to Winchester. Admission into Virginia's colleges and universities isn't just about you in NOVA. Your kids are competing against the students of ROVA (Rest of Virginia) who are very strong, as well. You dismiss them as invisible. But come application time, they are there and they are getting into all the schools. I can see how it's a wake-up call.

+100
The entitlement never fails to astound me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, it's getting pretty ridiculous in Virginia. UVA and W&M are very difficult to get into. VT and JMU are trending upwards of being very difficult for a lot of kids to get into as well (thanks Covid, Common App, and OOS applicants). Where do kids who have a 3.5-3.8 GPA go? GMU, CNU, VCU, UMW, Longwood? You don't hear about a lot of kids going to Radford or ODU. Virginia had such great colleges, but it's becoming very difficult for a B-B+ kid to get into one of them.

Yes

+1. One thing is dual enrollment and transfers don’t seem as common place here as other states like CA. So for example, the 3.5 - 3.8 student here would want to go directly to UVA, W&M or VA Tech. Maybe over time going to VA-Wise->UVA or taking advantage of the W&M waitlist to spring admission becomes more commonplace. I remember on a tour of UCLA they had a healthy numbers of transfers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, it's getting pretty ridiculous in Virginia. UVA and W&M are very difficult to get into. VT and JMU are trending upwards of being very difficult for a lot of kids to get into as well (thanks Covid, Common App, and OOS applicants). Where do kids who have a 3.5-3.8 GPA go? GMU, CNU, VCU, UMW, Longwood? You don't hear about a lot of kids going to Radford or ODU. Virginia had such great colleges, but it's becoming very difficult for a B-B+ kid to get into one of them.

You left out: 'test optional' in your reasons. It's a big factor in all of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:However bad you think the options are in Virginia, agree that there are many more tiers and affordable options relative to other states.

[b]UF and UGA are as good as or better than comparable Virginia options, larger, and virtually free in state

But most reading this are OOS so your point is irrelevant. UF is $46,000 OOS and UGA is $48,000 OOS. GMU (where DC went) is $13,404 tuition and $27K all in when housing is added. Add is the benefit of driving instead of flying and you can see why in-state Virginia is so popoular.

OK, but why are we celebrating Virginia for having in state options that cost 40k a year when other states manage to offer comparable schools for far cheaper

What other states? BTW USC (private) just announced it's going to $90K this fall. [b]UVA with its 35+ campuses is a great deal.

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OP, I don't think you know what you are talking about. Next to California with its 9 UCs and 23 Cal States and huge community college system, Virginia is the next best thing in the United States. But the problem with the UC system is the extreme expense for OOS (most everyone reading here) and the fact that UC has tightened the reigns for admission of OOS (an a no-go for the Cal STates - they are reserved almost exclusively for Californians) and International to 10% (UVA is 26% OSS International) which makes it virtually inaccessible to anyone in the DCUM area. Even if you get in OOS, Berkeley is $73K a year.

Florida, as pointed out is more expensive for OOS.

Texas, like California, is mostly limited to in-state students The voters in that state, like California, have objected to having state schools educate so many OOS.

Maryland has, well only 12 institutions of varying quality. https://www.usmd.edu/. UMCP is a great deal but you have to get in and $56K OOS.

UVA has 35 institutions of higher learning and a generous community college transfer system that allows anyone to attend a 2-year college, live at home and transfer to their choice of Virginia 4 year institution if they meet the GPA and course requrements. Only California offers a similar system. All of the Virginia 4 year schools are cheaper than any other OOS public or private.

FWIW, GMU's board entertained a motion to increase tuition this past year. Friends on the Board voted it down. Expenses have to be covered, especially as a large number of OOS and International students are included in Virginia's school. Many Virginians would like to see UVA and others cap OOS at 10% or less like California and Texas.

DP. While I agree with your post, calling VA universities "UVA" is confusing. UVA doesn't have "35 different campuses." You mean, Virginia, the state (or commonwealth ).

What are these "35 campuses" pp is talking about? Community colleges?

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Va and md should cap out of state to 10 or 15 pct like ca, it’s equity minded otherwise schools go after rich oos students to pay nonresident tuition. Umd is 1/3 oos and recruits mostly at affluent high schools oos, in line with national trends at state flagships unfortunately https://emraresearch.org/