Montana considers new wave of legislation to loosen vaccination rules

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I support this idea. I hope Virginia followes,
We learned a lot in the past 3 years about vaccines and IMO a lot of them might not be needed.

Do you agree that parents should have the final say on what vaccines are needed?
Since covid routines vaccines have been dropping and we will disagree if this a good or bad ideaZz


https://www.mtpr.org/montana-news/2023-03-15/montana-considers-new-wave-of-legislation-to-loosen-vaccination-rules

OH GOODIE ANOTHER IDIOT

POLIO COMING BACK
SMALL POX

LEARN SCIENCE!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

Yeah, nutrition and sanitation improvements didn't ward off polio. Or smallpox.

Scarlet fever develops from a bacterial infection, the same that causes strep throat which I can assure you is very much alive and well in the world. Bacteria are different from viruses like polio and smallpox. Most vaccines are against viruses. bacterial infections are treated by antibiotics. Scarlet fever is no longer common primarily because of antibiotics given to people who have strep throat.

I really really hope you didn't major in science or are in med school. Yikes.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I support this idea. I hope Virginia followes,
We learned a lot in the past 3 years about vaccines and IMO a lot of them might not be needed.

Do you agree that parents should have the final say on what vaccines are needed?
Since covid routines vaccines have been dropping and we will disagree if this a good or bad ideaZz


https://www.mtpr.org/montana-news/2023-03-15/montana-considers-new-wave-of-legislation-to-loosen-vaccination-rules

OH GOODIE ANOTHER IDIOT

POLIO COMING BACK
SMALL POX

LEARN SCIENCE!

"Sigh-ince... Ah'm all about the siiiigghhh-ince. And vaccines are fake news on the 'Merican people!" -- Marjorie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah who needs tetanus vaccines? Fake news!

Sure, if your kid steps on a rusty nail, a dab of rubbing alcohol and some good old-fashioned soap-n-water is "probably sufficient" to fend off amputation and/or death. No need for these fancy liberal shots.

Exactly. Nature should take it's course.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There didn't seem to be any real gain in health outcomes going from the 13 or so doses GenX got to the 53 or so that kids get today. Rolling it back to what most people posting here got makes a ton of sense.

I'm not counting 53, perhaps I missed more than a few

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf

It is 12 shots/25 antigens in 1986 compared to 54 shots/70 antigens in 2019.

I have yet to see any evidence that the 2019 schedule produces better outcomes than the 1986 schedule, or even the schedule the boomers had.

well, this is my evidence. we got measles as kids, my sister and i were 8 and 5 and were miserable (I m 57 and I still remember the purple bumps all over our body and the itching and putting mint poweder on the skin to alleviate the itching) my brother was 1.5 year old and got it too, really badly. after he recovered, he still stopped growing for over a year and had developed hearing problems, which he never recovered from. and we were lucky because none of us developed life threatening complications for died, as is not uncommon for measles. my brother was born in 1973 and in our country vaccine for measles was not available at that time, so yes, now is better than then.

vaccines are victims of their success, people dont remember as it was before vaccines, when it was normal for kids to die

I agree with the bolded. I’ve noticed that people opposed to vaccinations are usually the same people far-removed from the impact of the diseases we vaccinate against. For example, my grandfather had limited use of one side of his body from polio and one of my great-aunts lost her hearing to measles. I think that it’s easy to dismiss the importance of vaccination if you’ve never seen what it can look like without it.

Lots of serious car crashes are happening at an intersection, so a stop light is put up.

The car crashes decline and then stop altogether.

Years later, low-information know-nothings start saying "There's no need for a stop light here!" "Who put this stop light up?" "This stop light is infringin' on mah freedom!" "Stop lights are a woke conspiracy!"

The stoplight gets torn down by a gang of idiots.

Car crashes resume ("Doh!!!")

Breakout the canes, wheelchairs and coffins! MAGA wins!

To continue the analogy is that after the stop light (1986 schedule) was installed, experts working for the stop light industry decided that two more stop lights (2019 schedule) would make the intersection even safer. Anyone objecting to stop lights #2 or #3 are drowned out in horror stories about the time before stop light #1. Anyone proposing that a stop sign would probably be sufficient is run out of town. Stop lights are then credited for all improvements in road safety since the time of the Model T.

I don’t think you understand the analogy. More like stoplights #2 and #3 would be installed at two other high-accident intersections, not the same one.

Good god are you just bad at this or a bad faith debater? Maybe a little bit of both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I support this idea. I hope Virginia followes,
We learned a lot in the past 3 years about vaccines and IMO a lot of them might not be needed.

Do you agree that parents should have the final say on what vaccines are needed?
Since covid routines vaccines have been dropping and we will disagree if this a good or bad ideaZz


https://www.mtpr.org/montana-news/2023-03-15/montana-considers-new-wave-of-legislation-to-loosen-vaccination-rules

Do me a favor. When you get cancer, please don’t get chemo. When you have heart disease, no statins or meds for you. If you don’t trust vaccine science…then why are you taking other meds that we’ve developed for the disease you certainly will get. Go take a look in your medicine cabinet…throw it all out. And you can face the fate of people who lived in the past…since you don’t need it, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Time for polio to make a comeback! Yeehah! Wheelchair and orthopedics companies will make a killing!

Polio is just a stomach bug, after all. What paralyzes people is more like Long Polio, and is much less likely.

Puttin' your chile in a wheelchair to own the libs! MAGA!

Missouri dealt with that in spades. Not one liberal cared.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Time for polio to make a comeback! Yeehah! Wheelchair and orthopedics companies will make a killing!

Polio is just a stomach bug, after all. What paralyzes people is more like Long Polio, and is much less likely.

Puttin' your chile in a wheelchair to own the libs! MAGA!

Missouri dealt with that in spades. Not one liberal cared.

No idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gross. I'd rather not reintroduce measles

Or polio, or rubella (which can caUse severe deformations of fetuses) or whopping cough or Scarlett fever….

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Anonymous wrote:Gross. I'd rather not reintroduce measles

Or polio, or rubella (which can caUse severe deformations of fetuses) or whopping cough or Scarlett fever….

But what about my Freedom? MAGA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

The death rate went down when antibiotics were introduced. Also rapid strep tests Scarlet Fever is caused by strep infections, not viruses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

The death rate went down when antibiotics were introduced. Also rapid strep tests Scarlet Fever is caused by strep infections, not viruses.

+1. This thread demonstrates why vaccines are mandatory. So many people are so stupid and yet so confident in their own intelligence and ability to understand cause and effect. It’s one thing when an idiot wants to kill themselves - quite another to be killing innocent children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

The death rate went down when antibiotics were introduced. Also rapid strep tests Scarlet Fever is caused by strep infections, not viruses.

+1. This thread demonstrates why vaccines are mandatory. So many people are so stupid and yet so confident in their own intelligence and ability to understand cause and effect. It’s one thing when an idiot wants to kill themselves - quite another to be killing innocent children.

One wonders if the antivaxxer pps are the type to demand antibiotics for their colds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What we've learned about vaccines in the last 3 years is that they save lives. How many more millions do you think would've died from Covid if we hadn't had a vaccine in only a year?

One study's estimates

Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses — 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose — with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations

A model that assumes vaccines are effective will show vaccines are effective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I almost died from chicken pox many decades ago pre vaccine availability, which is unusual, but sometimes happened.

Chickenpox vaccine is only recommended for a country if they are going to be getting a lot of the population vaccinated. I don't understand the dynamics, but apparently it is not an individual decision.