Montana considers new wave of legislation to loosen vaccination rules

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

Yeah, nutrition and sanitation improvements didn't ward off polio. Or smallpox.

Scarlet fever develops from a bacterial infection, the same that causes strep throat which I can assure you is very much alive and well in the world. Bacteria are different from viruses like polio and smallpox. Most vaccines are against viruses. bacterial infections are treated by antibiotics. Scarlet fever is no longer common primarily because of antibiotics given to people who have strep throat.

I really really hope you didn't major in science or are in med school. Yikes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

Yeah, nutrition and sanitation improvements didn't ward off polio. Or smallpox.

Scarlet fever develops from a bacterial infection, the same that causes strep throat which I can assure you is very much alive and well in the world. Bacteria are different from viruses like polio and smallpox. Most vaccines are against viruses. bacterial infections are treated by antibiotics. Scarlet fever is no longer common primarily because of antibiotics given to people who have strep throat.

I really really hope you didn't major in science or are in med school. Yikes.

That's just Republican idiocy you're dealing with. As Marjorie Taylor Greene recently said, "Sigh-ance. Ah'm all about the siiigghhh-ance."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

BS!!!! YOU ARE A LIAR!

My uncle AND and aunt had polio in the 40s. My mother lost her hearing in one ear because of measles. My father had mumps twice and could not have children (I am adopted.)
Perfect sanitation and enough food.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

BS!!!! YOU ARE A LIAR!

My uncle AND and aunt had polio in the 40s. My mother lost her hearing in one ear because of measles. My father had mumps twice and could not have children (I am adopted.)
Perfect sanitation and enough food.

Death, brain damage, blindness, deafness and sterility to own the libs! Vaccines are fake news! MAGA!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

Yeah, nutrition and sanitation improvements didn't ward off polio. Or smallpox.

Scarlet fever develops from a bacterial infection, the same that causes strep throat which I can assure you is very much alive and well in the world. Bacteria are different from viruses like polio and smallpox. Most vaccines are against viruses. bacterial infections are treated by antibiotics. Scarlet fever is no longer common primarily because of antibiotics given to people who have strep throat.

I really really hope you didn't major in science or are in med school. Yikes.

The text-book answer to this question is that Scarlet Fever has evolved to be less deadly. If this explanation has any truth, an interesting corollary is if the lack of vaccine had anything to do with this evolutionary path.

Given the trends in anti-biotic resistance, let's hope your explanation is incorrect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

Yeah, nutrition and sanitation improvements didn't ward off polio. Or smallpox.

Scarlet fever develops from a bacterial infection, the same that causes strep throat which I can assure you is very much alive and well in the world. Bacteria are different from viruses like polio and smallpox. Most vaccines are against viruses. bacterial infections are treated by antibiotics. Scarlet fever is no longer common primarily because of antibiotics given to people who have strep throat.

I really really hope you didn't major in science or are in med school. Yikes.

The text-book answer to this question is that Scarlet Fever has evolved to be less deadly. If this explanation has any truth, an interesting corollary is if the lack of vaccine had anything to do with this evolutionary path.

Given the trends in anti-biotic resistance, let's hope your explanation is incorrect.

Holy crap you are literally too dumb to understand this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

Yeah, nutrition and sanitation improvements didn't ward off polio. Or smallpox.

Scarlet fever develops from a bacterial infection, the same that causes strep throat which I can assure you is very much alive and well in the world. Bacteria are different from viruses like polio and smallpox. Most vaccines are against viruses. bacterial infections are treated by antibiotics. Scarlet fever is no longer common primarily because of antibiotics given to people who have strep throat.

I really really hope you didn't major in science or are in med school. Yikes.

The text-book answer to this question is that Scarlet Fever has evolved to be less deadly. If this explanation has any truth, an interesting corollary is if the lack of vaccine had anything to do with this evolutionary path.

Given the trends in anti-biotic resistance, let's hope your explanation is incorrect.

Holy crap you are literally too dumb to understand this discussion.

But soon they can move to Kontana where it seems they will be able to avoid the scourge of vaccination (and antibiotics for strep, I guess). 🫢

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There didn't seem to be any real gain in health outcomes going from the 13 or so doses GenX got to the 53 or so that kids get today. Rolling it back to what most people posting here got makes a ton of sense.

I'm not counting 53, perhaps I missed more than a few

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf

It is 12 shots/25 antigens in 1986 compared to 54 shots/70 antigens in 2019.

I have yet to see any evidence that the 2019 schedule produces better outcomes than the 1986 schedule, or even the schedule the boomers had.

well, this is my evidence. we got measles as kids, my sister and i were 8 and 5 and were miserable (I m 57 and I still remember the purple bumps all over our body and the itching and putting mint poweder on the skin to alleviate the itching) my brother was 1.5 year old and got it too, really badly. after he recovered, he still stopped growing for over a year and had developed hearing problems, which he never recovered from. and we were lucky because none of us developed life threatening complications for died, as is not uncommon for measles. my brother was born in 1973 and in our country vaccine for measles was not available at that time, so yes, now is better than then.

vaccines are victims of their success, people dont remember as it was before vaccines, when it was normal for kids to die

I agree with the bolded. I’ve noticed that people opposed to vaccinations are usually the same people far-removed from the impact of the diseases we vaccinate against. For example, my grandfather had limited use of one side of his body from polio and one of my great-aunts lost her hearing to measles. I think that it’s easy to dismiss the importance of vaccination if you’ve never seen what it can look like without it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There didn't seem to be any real gain in health outcomes going from the 13 or so doses GenX got to the 53 or so that kids get today. Rolling it back to what most people posting here got makes a ton of sense.

I'm not counting 53, perhaps I missed more than a few

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf

It is 12 shots/25 antigens in 1986 compared to 54 shots/70 antigens in 2019.

I have yet to see any evidence that the 2019 schedule produces better outcomes than the 1986 schedule, or even the schedule the boomers had.

well, this is my evidence. we got measles as kids, my sister and i were 8 and 5 and were miserable (I m 57 and I still remember the purple bumps all over our body and the itching and putting mint poweder on the skin to alleviate the itching) my brother was 1.5 year old and got it too, really badly. after he recovered, he still stopped growing for over a year and had developed hearing problems, which he never recovered from. and we were lucky because none of us developed life threatening complications for died, as is not uncommon for measles. my brother was born in 1973 and in our country vaccine for measles was not available at that time, so yes, now is better than then.

vaccines are victims of their success, people dont remember as it was before vaccines, when it was normal for kids to die

I agree with the bolded. I’ve noticed that people opposed to vaccinations are usually the same people far-removed from the impact of the diseases we vaccinate against. For example, my grandfather had limited use of one side of his body from polio and one of my great-aunts lost her hearing to measles. I think that it’s easy to dismiss the importance of vaccination if you’ve never seen what it can look like without it.

Lots of serious car crashes are happening at an intersection, so a stop light is put up.

The car crashes decline and then stop altogether.

Years later, low-information know-nothings start saying "There's no need for a stop light here!" "Who put this stop light up?" "This stop light is infringin' on mah freedom!" "Stop lights are a woke conspiracy!"

The stoplight gets torn down by a gang of idiots.

Car crashes resume ("Doh!!!")

Breakout the canes, wheelchairs and coffins! MAGA wins!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There didn't seem to be any real gain in health outcomes going from the 13 or so doses GenX got to the 53 or so that kids get today. Rolling it back to what most people posting here got makes a ton of sense.

I'm not counting 53, perhaps I missed more than a few

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf

It is 12 shots/25 antigens in 1986 compared to 54 shots/70 antigens in 2019.

I have yet to see any evidence that the 2019 schedule produces better outcomes than the 1986 schedule, or even the schedule the boomers had.

well, this is my evidence. we got measles as kids, my sister and i were 8 and 5 and were miserable (I m 57 and I still remember the purple bumps all over our body and the itching and putting mint poweder on the skin to alleviate the itching) my brother was 1.5 year old and got it too, really badly. after he recovered, he still stopped growing for over a year and had developed hearing problems, which he never recovered from. and we were lucky because none of us developed life threatening complications for died, as is not uncommon for measles. my brother was born in 1973 and in our country vaccine for measles was not available at that time, so yes, now is better than then.

vaccines are victims of their success, people dont remember as it was before vaccines, when it was normal for kids to die

I agree with the bolded. I’ve noticed that people opposed to vaccinations are usually the same people far-removed from the impact of the diseases we vaccinate against. For example, my grandfather had limited use of one side of his body from polio and one of my great-aunts lost her hearing to measles. I think that it’s easy to dismiss the importance of vaccination if you’ve never seen what it can look like without it.

Lots of serious car crashes are happening at an intersection, so a stop light is put up.

The car crashes decline and then stop altogether.

Years later, low-information know-nothings start saying "There's no need for a stop light here!" "Who put this stop light up?" "This stop light is infringin' on mah freedom!" "Stop lights are a woke conspiracy!"

The stoplight gets torn down by a gang of idiots.

Car crashes resume ("Doh!!!")

Breakout the canes, wheelchairs and coffins! MAGA wins!

To continue the analogy is that after the stop light (1986 schedule) was installed, experts working for the stop light industry decided that two more stop lights (2019 schedule) would make the intersection even safer. Anyone objecting to stop lights #2 or #3 are drowned out in horror stories about the time before stop light #1. Anyone proposing that a stop sign would probably be sufficient is run out of town. Stop lights are then credited for all improvements in road safety since the time of the Model T.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There didn't seem to be any real gain in health outcomes going from the 13 or so doses GenX got to the 53 or so that kids get today. Rolling it back to what most people posting here got makes a ton of sense.

I'm not counting 53, perhaps I missed more than a few

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf

It is 12 shots/25 antigens in 1986 compared to 54 shots/70 antigens in 2019.

I have yet to see any evidence that the 2019 schedule produces better outcomes than the 1986 schedule, or even the schedule the boomers had.

well, this is my evidence. we got measles as kids, my sister and i were 8 and 5 and were miserable (I m 57 and I still remember the purple bumps all over our body and the itching and putting mint poweder on the skin to alleviate the itching) my brother was 1.5 year old and got it too, really badly. after he recovered, he still stopped growing for over a year and had developed hearing problems, which he never recovered from. and we were lucky because none of us developed life threatening complications for died, as is not uncommon for measles. my brother was born in 1973 and in our country vaccine for measles was not available at that time, so yes, now is better than then.

vaccines are victims of their success, people dont remember as it was before vaccines, when it was normal for kids to die

I agree with the bolded. I’ve noticed that people opposed to vaccinations are usually the same people far-removed from the impact of the diseases we vaccinate against. For example, my grandfather had limited use of one side of his body from polio and one of my great-aunts lost her hearing to measles. I think that it’s easy to dismiss the importance of vaccination if you’ve never seen what it can look like without it.

Lots of serious car crashes are happening at an intersection, so a stop light is put up.

The car crashes decline and then stop altogether.

Years later, low-information know-nothings start saying "There's no need for a stop light here!" "Who put this stop light up?" "This stop light is infringin' on mah freedom!" "Stop lights are a woke conspiracy!"

The stoplight gets torn down by a gang of idiots.

Car crashes resume ("Doh!!!")

Breakout the canes, wheelchairs and coffins! MAGA wins!

To continue the analogy is that after the stop light (1986 schedule) was installed, experts working for the stop light industry decided that two more stop lights (2019 schedule) would make the intersection even safer. Anyone objecting to stop lights #2 or #3 are drowned out in horror stories about the time before stop light #1. Anyone proposing that a stop sign would probably be sufficient is run out of town. Stop lights are then credited for all improvements in road safety since the time of the Model T.

+1 Good ol' MAGA stop signs instead of fancy liberal stoplights! Vaccines are fake news! Ya'll cain't take away mah freedom!

[Anonymous]

Anyone proposing that a stop sign would probably be sufficient is run out of town.

Because when blindness, deafness and other disabilities are on the line, "probably sufficient" is what you want. #MAGA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

BS!!!! YOU ARE A LIAR!

My uncle AND and aunt had polio in the 40s. My mother lost her hearing in one ear because of measles. My father had mumps twice and could not have children (I am adopted.)
Perfect sanitation and enough food.

Death, brain damage, blindness, deafness and sterility to own the libs! Vaccines are fake news! MAGA!

Keep on owning us! The more you own us libs the fewer conservative voters you will end up with! Make is cry librul tears!

[Anonymous]

Yeah who needs tetanus vaccines? Fake news!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah who needs tetanus vaccines? Fake news!

Sure, if your kid steps on a rusty nail, a dab of rubbing alcohol and some good old-fashioned soap-n-water is "probably sufficient" to fend off amputation and/or death. No need for these fancy liberal shots.