Respectfully, you’re stating the facts as you assume them to be, and your assumptions are largely inaccurate. Take weekends, for example. I rarely worked them. How was I able to pull that off, you might ask? In my case, I did it by taking on projects and clients and matters that were less desirable and harder to staff. I made lots of compromises over the years in order to free up time with the family. I also took every bit of vacation that I was entitled to, without exception, and made sure I was present when I was on it. I’ve posted on here a lot, and have had lots to say about my time with Biglaw, but I’ve never suggested that the major issue for me was time taken away from family. I wouldn’t have tolerated that. In fact, the only reason why I was able to stand Biglaw for as long as I did was because somehow - maybe even miraculously? - by and large it didn’t destroy my ability to be a present parent. Thinking about it, it might have simply been a matter of timing for me. I mentioned that we married young and had kids young. Three of my four kids were born before I even started working in Biglaw (one right after college, one in law school, one during my clerkship). My fourth was born when I was 29 and I was still a junior associate. So I was around my first three kids quite a bit in their formative years, and I wasn't about to do things differently with my fourth. The typical associate gets through their education first, gets the Biglaw job, starts the grinds, then has kids and tries to fit them in. I did the opposite. Finally, addressing your comment that I retired “for me.” I’m not sure what that means. If you’re suggesting that I only retired for selfish reasons after spending a lifetime neglecting my family, that’s pretty harsh and uncalled for. You’re honestly corresponding with someone who has always had the closest relationship with their family imaginable, and it didn’t happen by accident. I hope you’re just as lucky, and I’m sure you will be, but don’t count your chucked just yet. Your child is young and you still have a long way to go. Check back with us in 20 or 30 years, ok? |
My kids go to public schools in Bethesda, and they have lots of classmates with a parent working in Big Law. |
Ha ha I mean count your chickens! |
Partners or associates? |
Early retired BL partner here. I don’t know the answer to your question. All I know is that in my firm it’s part of the partnership agreement that retired partners can participate in the firm’s health care plan for life so long as they continue to pay the full premium (which partners start paying as soon as they are made equity partners anyway). In my case, it’s currently around $1400 a month for my spouse and me. There’s always the ACA exchange, of course, but I’ve been sticking with the firm plan for a variety of reasons. |
Yes, clients are not going to pay double the rate so lawyers can work less and get paid the same. |
Early retired Biglaw partner here. I agree that the one thing that really surprises folks about my Biglaw experience is that I typically didn’t work weekends. Maybe it’s like estimating your commute - everybody says it’s 20 minutes when it’s really 30 or 40, ha ha - but I can count on one hand the number of weekends per year where I worked more than, say, an hour or two. It really didn’t happen for me. I left Biglaw for so, so many reasons, but a crushing workload wasn’t one of them. |
This. You need to understand that it’s not the partners dishing out the work. It’s the clients. They’re paying lots and lots of money for a law firm’s services, and for that money their expectation is that you’ll get the work done pronto and with no questions asked. They don’t care about your personal life. |
You have no idea what you're talking about. No biglaw firm is "forcing out" partners at 60. Many do at 65. |
It describes their personal experience. It's OK if your practice involves fewer hours and more control over deadlines, but that doesn't make them liars. Many practice areas are incompatible with having the flexibility with your time that parenting can sometimes require. |
Yes, they are. I can name 5 people off the top of my head who aren't even 60 yet. Restructuring happens all the time. |
This. I’m one of the women you’re disparaging and honestly, biglaw looked very different for me than white men. I saw that early on, and my husband and I (we are both lawyers) decided early on he’d be the one with the shot at partner without eating shit 24/7, which I am for better or worse not particularly good at. I know he wishes it were the opposite because biglaw is stressful and hard, but part of the reason he made partner is because he doesn’t want a less prestigious position. I on the other hand could not care less; I know I’m pretty much the smartest person in the room so why do I need to prove that to anyone or correct their assumptions? Honestly my job doesn’t come up much in real life - both my husband and I answer lawyers to what do you do and everyone’s eyes glaze over and we move on. You could have a different experience but that doesn’t invalidate anyone else’s. |
Why does your husband care so much about “prestige?” What do you think he is missing in his life? And why do you think it’s important that you be the “smartest person in the room?” Do you think the smarter you are, the better the person that you are? These are serious questions. I’m genuinely curious in a nonjudgmental way why you and your husband feel this way. |
While that’s true, it’s much MUCH harder to make partner and then later become a rainmaker if your spouse has a demanding job. I’m not saying it can’t be done. I’m saying a SAH spouse is a cheat code for doing it and doing it well. I was so frustrated by how much better my male peers at it at home. |
True - more likely that OP will make around 200-250k. 800k sounds like GC level compensation, which OP won't get until at least 10 years learning the ropes of the in house job, which is very different form being a good law firm attorney. Even then, it's questionable whether OP will get to GC level, there is a lot of competition and many excellent attorneys that know how to manage/lead, vying for those opportunities. |