Individual Trespassing at RMHS with a Weapon - January 24

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Today, my kid has a class in a portable (of which, there are too many, IMO). When she and her classmates tried to get back into the building, they were locked out. A staff member told them they could no longer enter the school that way.

I guess this is a new security measure?

This seems much less safe because now kids have to walk all the way around to the front of the school, meaning they are out and exposed for much longer. It’s not close to the portables. They will all be significantly late for class if they have to do this. What a dumb result. My kid was home sick today but if that’s the answer, I’ll definitely be complaining. The kids all have ID—just post someone at the door and require them to show their ID or walk around to the front.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Today, my kid has a class in a portable (of which, there are too many, IMO). When she and her classmates tried to get back into the building, they were locked out. A staff member told them they could no longer enter the school that way.

I guess this is a new security measure?

This seems much less safe because now kids have to walk all the way around to the front of the school, meaning they are out and exposed for much longer. It’s not close to the portables. They will all be significantly late for class if they have to do this. What a dumb result. My kid was home sick today but if that’s the answer, I’ll definitely be complaining. The kids all have ID—just post someone at the door and require them to show their ID or walk around to the front.

That is the current problem. There is not enough security staff to do this and also deal with other things going on in the building. It's one of the requests to MCPS - that RMHS gets additional security staff. But guess what - not enough people are even applying to be security. That's why there isn't a female security staff member - couldn't find one to hire.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Today, my kid has a class in a portable (of which, there are too many, IMO). When she and her classmates tried to get back into the building, they were locked out. A staff member told them they could no longer enter the school that way.

I guess this is a new security measure?

This seems much less safe because now kids have to walk all the way around to the front of the school, meaning they are out and exposed for much longer. It’s not close to the portables. They will all be significantly late for class if they have to do this. What a dumb result. My kid was home sick today but if that’s the answer, I’ll definitely be complaining. The kids all have ID—just post someone at the door and require them to show their ID or walk around to the front.

In the principal’s notice today, it said they are considering a student ID requirement along with more doors being locked.

And a meeting next week. I agree that locking the doors back into the building from the portables is a silly result.

The portables suck as it is. This just makes it even worse. Thanks County Council for our overcrowded schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Today, my kid has a class in a portable (of which, there are too many, IMO). When she and her classmates tried to get back into the building, they were locked out. A staff member told them they could no longer enter the school that way.

I guess this is a new security measure?

Did they have to go to the main entrance to enter?

No, not the main entrance, just a different side door. It was fine, but they were all late for the next class. I’m sure it will get easier as time goes on.

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Anonymous wrote:Today, my kid has a class in a portable (of which, there are too many, IMO). When she and her classmates tried to get back into the building, they were locked out. A staff member told them they could no longer enter the school that way.

I guess this is a new security measure?

This seems much less safe because now kids have to walk all the way around to the front of the school, meaning they are out and exposed for much longer. It’s not close to the portables. They will all be significantly late for class if they have to do this. What a dumb result. My kid was home sick today but if that’s the answer, I’ll definitely be complaining. The kids all have ID—just post someone at the door and require them to show their ID or walk around to the front.

In the principal’s notice today, it said they are considering a student ID requirement along with more doors being locked.

And a meeting next week. I agree that locking the doors back into the building from the portables is a silly result.

The portables suck as it is. This just makes it even worse. Thanks County Council for our overcrowded schools.

What principals notice today? I’m a parent and didn’t get a notice.

[Anonymous]

So the details behind the RMHS lockdown are coming out and it looks like it was a robbery of Gaithersburg students by RMHS students, who conspired to let the Gaithersburg students in. Which sounds like....the RMHS students were the bad actors here and not the Gaithersburg ones as we thought, since the Gaithersburg students ended up as robbery victims: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/police-juveniles-arrested-after-group-of-gaithersburg-students-were-led-into-a-school-bathroom-and-robbed/65-c0d900a7-03e5-4578-906f-11075bafb875

This was a plot twist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the details behind the RMHS lockdown are coming out and it looks like it was a robbery of Gaithersburg students by RMHS students, who conspired to let the Gaithersburg students in. Which sounds like....the RMHS students were the bad actors here and not the Gaithersburg ones as we thought, since the Gaithersburg students ended up as robbery victims: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/police-juveniles-arrested-after-group-of-gaithersburg-students-were-led-into-a-school-bathroom-and-robbed/65-c0d900a7-03e5-4578-906f-11075bafb875

This was a plot twist.

Thanks for posting this. I hadn't seen this update. Fourteen and fifteen year old suspects? How horrible, whether they were from RM or Gaithersburg. What the F is going on in our schools. No wonder my kid tells me she doesn't want to use the bathrooms at school. Parents should be horrified that this is going on AT school.

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Anonymous wrote:Today, my kid has a class in a portable (of which, there are too many, IMO). When she and her classmates tried to get back into the building, they were locked out. A staff member told them they could no longer enter the school that way.

I guess this is a new security measure?

This seems much less safe because now kids have to walk all the way around to the front of the school, meaning they are out and exposed for much longer. It’s not close to the portables. They will all be significantly late for class if they have to do this. What a dumb result. My kid was home sick today but if that’s the answer, I’ll definitely be complaining. The kids all have ID—just post someone at the door and require them to show their ID or walk around to the front.

In the principal’s notice today, it said they are considering a student ID requirement along with more doors being locked.

And a meeting next week. I agree that locking the doors back into the building from the portables is a silly result.

The portables suck as it is. This just makes it even worse. Thanks County Council for our overcrowded schools.

What principals notice today? I’m a parent and didn’t get a notice.

Check your junk mail? It's with the subject line "Follow Up on Recent RM Incidents". Came through around 5pm. Not much new info, though clearly there was new info available based on the link posted in the PP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So the details behind the RMHS lockdown are coming out and it looks like it was a robbery of Gaithersburg students by RMHS students, who conspired to let the Gaithersburg students in. Which sounds like....the RMHS students were the bad actors here and not the Gaithersburg ones as we thought, since the Gaithersburg students ended up as robbery victims: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/police-juveniles-arrested-after-group-of-gaithersburg-students-were-led-into-a-school-bathroom-and-robbed/65-c0d900a7-03e5-4578-906f-11075bafb875

This was a plot twist.

Thanks for posting this. I hadn't seen this update. Fourteen and fifteen year old suspects? How horrible, whether they were from RM or Gaithersburg. What the F is going on in our schools. No wonder my kid tells me she doesn't want to use the bathrooms at school. Parents should be horrified that this is going on AT school.

Your kid doesn’t want to use the bathroom at school? Are you at all considering other options? That’s a horrible experience for a kid.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.

I hope the uptick in crime in MCPS forces their hand, and they bring back SROs, not CEOs.

This is what happened when they removed the SROs completely. Violence went up, so Elrich had to back track and support CEOs. Now that we are seeing even more violence, I hope they bring back SROs in HS.

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-resource-officers-police-council-marc-elrich-students-parents-study-feedback-hybrid-program

Me too.

And I would love to get an apology from Elrich and Jawando for pushing this nonsense on our kids to begin with.

Enough parents supported it to make it happen.

No. There was no ‘vote’ of parents. Elrich unilaterally made the decision for MCPS.

You don't count the Nov 2022 election when Elrich and Jawando were reelected?

most people aren't one issue voters

Having stated that, the progressives in the county have an outsized voice here.

Newsflash : This is a progressive county. If you don't like it, move

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.

I hope the uptick in crime in MCPS forces their hand, and they bring back SROs, not CEOs.

This is what happened when they removed the SROs completely. Violence went up, so Elrich had to back track and support CEOs. Now that we are seeing even more violence, I hope they bring back SROs in HS.

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-resource-officers-police-council-marc-elrich-students-parents-study-feedback-hybrid-program

Me too.

And I would love to get an apology from Elrich and Jawando for pushing this nonsense on our kids to begin with.

Enough parents supported it to make it happen.

No. There was no ‘vote’ of parents. Elrich unilaterally made the decision for MCPS.

You don't count the Nov 2022 election when Elrich and Jawando were reelected?

most people aren't one issue voters

Having stated that, the progressives in the county have an outsized voice here.

Newsflash : This is a progressive county. If you don't like it, move

I know! Silly wokes! Wish we had the same quality schools like back home in Alabama. Oh wait, red states hate public education...

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.

I hope the uptick in crime in MCPS forces their hand, and they bring back SROs, not CEOs.

This is what happened when they removed the SROs completely. Violence went up, so Elrich had to back track and support CEOs. Now that we are seeing even more violence, I hope they bring back SROs in HS.

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-resource-officers-police-council-marc-elrich-students-parents-study-feedback-hybrid-program

Me too.

And I would love to get an apology from Elrich and Jawando for pushing this nonsense on our kids to begin with.

Enough parents supported it to make it happen.

No. There was no ‘vote’ of parents. Elrich unilaterally made the decision for MCPS.

You don't count the Nov 2022 election when Elrich and Jawando were reelected?

most people aren't one issue voters

Having stated that, the progressives in the county have an outsized voice here.

Newsflash : This is a progressive county. If you don't like it, move

I know! Silly wokes! Wish we had the same quality schools like back home in Alabama. Oh wait, red states hate public education...

This is the problem with progressives. They are just the opposite sides of the same extreme coin, with the ultra right on one side, and ultra left on the other.

Whenever people raise an issue about something that they disagree with, both sides say, "Don't like it.. move". How typical.

It's like they don't understand what "moderate" means.

I bet the progressive PP doesn't like some things about MoCo. Do you consider moving?

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.

I hope the uptick in crime in MCPS forces their hand, and they bring back SROs, not CEOs.

This is what happened when they removed the SROs completely. Violence went up, so Elrich had to back track and support CEOs. Now that we are seeing even more violence, I hope they bring back SROs in HS.

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-resource-officers-police-council-marc-elrich-students-parents-study-feedback-hybrid-program

Me too.

And I would love to get an apology from Elrich and Jawando for pushing this nonsense on our kids to begin with.

Enough parents supported it to make it happen.

No. There was no ‘vote’ of parents. Elrich unilaterally made the decision for MCPS.

You don't count the Nov 2022 election when Elrich and Jawando were reelected?

most people aren't one issue voters

Having stated that, the progressives in the county have an outsized voice here.

Newsflash : This is a progressive county. If you don't like it, move

I know! Silly wokes! Wish we had the same quality schools like back home in Alabama. Oh wait, red states hate public education...

It’s clear that blue states hate our kids. With the useless Covid vaccine mandates in Blue cities, with the extensive, excessively long school closures. The hyperfocus on race and the dumbing down of our curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the details behind the RMHS lockdown are coming out and it looks like it was a robbery of Gaithersburg students by RMHS students, who conspired to let the Gaithersburg students in. Which sounds like....the RMHS students were the bad actors here and not the Gaithersburg ones as we thought, since the Gaithersburg students ended up as robbery victims: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/police-juveniles-arrested-after-group-of-gaithersburg-students-were-led-into-a-school-bathroom-and-robbed/65-c0d900a7-03e5-4578-906f-11075bafb875

This was a plot twist.

That was unexpected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.

I hope the uptick in crime in MCPS forces their hand, and they bring back SROs, not CEOs.

This is what happened when they removed the SROs completely. Violence went up, so Elrich had to back track and support CEOs. Now that we are seeing even more violence, I hope they bring back SROs in HS.

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-resource-officers-police-council-marc-elrich-students-parents-study-feedback-hybrid-program

Me too.

And I would love to get an apology from Elrich and Jawando for pushing this nonsense on our kids to begin with.

Enough parents supported it to make it happen.

No. There was no ‘vote’ of parents. Elrich unilaterally made the decision for MCPS.

You don't count the Nov 2022 election when Elrich and Jawando were reelected?

most people aren't one issue voters

Having stated that, the progressives in the county have an outsized voice here.

Newsflash : This is a progressive county. If you don't like it, move

I know! Silly wokes! Wish we had the same quality schools like back home in Alabama. Oh wait, red states hate public education...

This is the problem with progressives. They are just the opposite sides of the same extreme coin, with the ultra right on one side, and ultra left on the other.

Whenever people raise an issue about something that they disagree with, both sides say, "Don't like it.. move". How typical.

It's like they don't understand what "moderate" means.

I bet the progressive PP doesn't like some things about MoCo. Do you consider moving?

This, for sure. We need balance. The ultra-left is just as bad as the ultra-right.