Covid permanently harms immune system, repeat infections increase damage

[Anonymous]

I knew this from the beginning. Consider the Wuhan lockdown now in hindsight knowing the Chinese government knew it was HIV.

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Anonymous wrote:Like, you would rather get it repeatedly even if it's going to take 20 years off your life? Because you don't want to mask? Even if it takes 40 years off your life? Even if it makes you have a heart attack in 2 years? Because you don't like masking THAT much?

It's a strange hill to die on, but okay.

If I thought thought those numbers were even remotely realistic, I would take action. There's no reason to believe that getting Covid-19 repeatedly is any worse than getting any other non-novel coronavirus repeatedly. We've lived with the other common coronaviruses for quite some time now. The only reason it was so dangerous in the first place is that we didn't have any existing immunity when it started.

NP, and I’m not really wedded to convincing you, but it’s very easy to look to direct medical sources that say otherwise. Making the comment that you just did makes me think that you don’t follow this very closely, which is of course your choice, but it is an uninformed opinion.

+1 We only have a few years of evidence, but there is a lot of evidence that covid causes lasting damage to some people. The metabolic stuff is the most interesting/scary to me.

Husband is an immunologist and says that covid is unusual from other virus.

If it were me, I don't want covid 3 times. We wear masks when it's super crowded, after major holidays and it's not that big of a deal for us. Kids do it voluntarily without ask so it's not like I have to nag anyone.

If you can prevent yourself from getting covid but still maintain a semblance of normalcy in your life, go for it!

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Anonymous wrote:Like, you would rather get it repeatedly even if it's going to take 20 years off your life? Because you don't want to mask? Even if it takes 40 years off your life? Even if it makes you have a heart attack in 2 years? Because you don't like masking THAT much?

It's a strange hill to die on, but okay.

If I thought masks would do what you seem to think they do, I’d mask too. But since they don’t…

DCUM is such a strange world. People here are in complete denial that a lot of transmission is inevitable. Not all of it, but most of it.

So, how do we stop most of the transmission?

Well, like most things, you kill off the weakest links.

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Anonymous wrote:Like, you would rather get it repeatedly even if it's going to take 20 years off your life? Because you don't want to mask? Even if it takes 40 years off your life? Even if it makes you have a heart attack in 2 years? Because you don't like masking THAT much?

It's a strange hill to die on, but okay.

If I thought thought those numbers were even remotely realistic, I would take action. There's no reason to believe that getting Covid-19 repeatedly is any worse than getting any other non-novel coronavirus repeatedly. We've lived with the other common coronaviruses for quite some time now. The only reason it was so dangerous in the first place is that we didn't have any existing immunity when it started.

NP, and I’m not really wedded to convincing you, but it’s very easy to look to direct medical sources that say otherwise. Making the comment that you just did makes me think that you don’t follow this very closely, which is of course your choice, but it is an uninformed opinion.

+1 We only have a few years of evidence, but there is a lot of evidence that covid causes lasting damage to some people. The metabolic stuff is the most interesting/scary to me.

Husband is an immunologist and says that covid is unusual from other virus.

If it were me, I don't want covid 3 times. We wear masks when it's super crowded, after major holidays and it's not that big of a deal for us. Kids do it voluntarily without ask so it's not like I have to nag anyone.

If you can prevent yourself from getting covid but still maintain a semblance of normalcy in your life, go for it!

Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:Like, you would rather get it repeatedly even if it's going to take 20 years off your life? Because you don't want to mask? Even if it takes 40 years off your life? Even if it makes you have a heart attack in 2 years? Because you don't like masking THAT much?

It's a strange hill to die on, but okay.

If I thought thought those numbers were even remotely realistic, I would take action. There's no reason to believe that getting Covid-19 repeatedly is any worse than getting any other non-novel coronavirus repeatedly. We've lived with the other common coronaviruses for quite some time now. The only reason it was so dangerous in the first place is that we didn't have any existing immunity when it started.

NP, and I’m not really wedded to convincing you, but it’s very easy to look to direct medical sources that say otherwise. Making the comment that you just did makes me think that you don’t follow this very closely, which is of course your choice, but it is an uninformed opinion.

+1 We only have a few years of evidence, but there is a lot of evidence that covid causes lasting damage to some people. The metabolic stuff is the most interesting/scary to me.

Husband is an immunologist and says that covid is unusual from other virus.

If it were me, I don't want covid 3 times. We wear masks when it's super crowded, after major holidays and it's not that big of a deal for us. Kids do it voluntarily without ask so it's not like I have to nag anyone.

If you can prevent yourself from getting covid but still maintain a semblance of normalcy in your life, go for it!

We do the same.

But....I do wonder if it's futile. This is not going away. I think I/we can avoid a bunch of infections over months or a year, but over 10 years? 20? And our kids? Is it possible teens won't get it - they all get mono and everything else. You can mask young kids but teens are going to teen. And be social. And be all over each other, eating, sleep overs, locker rooms, making out and so on. Do we really think it's possible their generation won't get COVID at least 3 times by age 30?

I just don't know the answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Like, you would rather get it repeatedly even if it's going to take 20 years off your life? Because you don't want to mask? Even if it takes 40 years off your life? Even if it makes you have a heart attack in 2 years? Because you don't like masking THAT much?

It's a strange hill to die on, but okay.

If I thought thought those numbers were even remotely realistic, I would take action. There's no reason to believe that getting Covid-19 repeatedly is any worse than getting any other non-novel coronavirus repeatedly. We've lived with the other common coronaviruses for quite some time now. The only reason it was so dangerous in the first place is that we didn't have any existing immunity when it started.

NP, and I’m not really wedded to convincing you, but it’s very easy to look to direct medical sources that say otherwise. Making the comment that you just did makes me think that you don’t follow this very closely, which is of course your choice, but it is an uninformed opinion.

+1 We only have a few years of evidence, but there is a lot of evidence that covid causes lasting damage to some people. The metabolic stuff is the most interesting/scary to me.

Husband is an immunologist and says that covid is unusual from other virus.

If it were me, I don't want covid 3 times. We wear masks when it's super crowded, after major holidays and it's not that big of a deal for us. Kids do it voluntarily without ask so it's not like I have to nag anyone.

If you can prevent yourself from getting covid but still maintain a semblance of normalcy in your life, go for it!

We do the same.

But....I do wonder if it's futile. This is not going away. I think I/we can avoid a bunch of infections over months or a year, but over 10 years? 20? And our kids? Is it possible teens won't get it - they all get mono and everything else. You can mask young kids but teens are going to teen. And be social. And be all over each other, eating, sleep overs, locker rooms, making out and so on. Do we really think it's possible their generation won't get COVID at least 3 times by age 30?

I just don't know the answer.

Lol no

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Anonymous wrote:Like, you would rather get it repeatedly even if it's going to take 20 years off your life? Because you don't want to mask? Even if it takes 40 years off your life? Even if it makes you have a heart attack in 2 years? Because you don't like masking THAT much?

It's a strange hill to die on, but okay.

If I thought thought those numbers were even remotely realistic, I would take action. There's no reason to believe that getting Covid-19 repeatedly is any worse than getting any other non-novel coronavirus repeatedly. We've lived with the other common coronaviruses for quite some time now. The only reason it was so dangerous in the first place is that we didn't have any existing immunity when it started.

NP, and I’m not really wedded to convincing you, but it’s very easy to look to direct medical sources that say otherwise. Making the comment that you just did makes me think that you don’t follow this very closely, which is of course your choice, but it is an uninformed opinion.

+1 We only have a few years of evidence, but there is a lot of evidence that covid causes lasting damage to some people. The metabolic stuff is the most interesting/scary to me.

Husband is an immunologist and says that covid is unusual from other virus.

If it were me, I don't want covid 3 times. We wear masks when it's super crowded, after major holidays and it's not that big of a deal for us. Kids do it voluntarily without ask so it's not like I have to nag anyone.

If you can prevent yourself from getting covid but still maintain a semblance of normalcy in your life, go for it!

We do the same.

But....I do wonder if it's futile. This is not going away. I think I/we can avoid a bunch of infections over months or a year, but over 10 years? 20? And our kids? Is it possible teens won't get it - they all get mono and everything else. You can mask young kids but teens are going to teen. And be social. And be all over each other, eating, sleep overs, locker rooms, making out and so on. Do we really think it's possible their generation won't get COVID at least 3 times by age 30?

I just don't know the answer.

Maybe subsequent variants will be less transmissible/virulent? Who knows.

[Anonymous]

I think you need to balance the known harm of lack of social contact with the unknown long term impacts of COVID. For our family one year of social isolation (based on following public health advice) was horrible. We are focused on addressing the issues we know about, not worrying about what might happen that we cannot reasonably prevent. I think most people outside of DCUM message boards get this. And while I am happy to mask in public during surges, I find it so silly when people fixate on that but don't mask in other settings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think you need to balance the known harm of lack of social contact with the unknown long term impacts of COVID. For our family one year of social isolation (based on following public health advice) was horrible. We are focused on addressing the issues we know about, not worrying about what might happen that we cannot reasonably prevent. I think most people outside of DCUM message boards get this. And while I am happy to mask in public during surges, I find it so silly when people fixate on that but don't mask in other settings.

Nobody has said anything about going into social isolation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Our family has been sick so much in the past few months. My son's out of school with a fever for 3 days every 3-4 weeks since school started. The doc just gave him some lab test looking for a dozen different illnesses/bacteria and he was found to have had "in the recent past" flu A, flu B, mono and 2 bacterial infections... ironically no covid. He's never tested positive for covid. My husband, daughter, granddaughter and myself have had cold after cold after cold. There's definitely something up with our immune systems. I am the only one that's tested positive for covid.

Immunity debt from so much forced lockdown and masking. Our immune systems are just dealing with all the viruses/infections we would normally have gotten over the past 3 years if we hadn't been isolated and masked up. It will stop soon.

The rest is just COVID hysteria (and I'm triple-boosted, so not an anti-vaxxer.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!

Exactly. This.

[Anonymous]

My anecdote, two shots, two boosters, multiple exposures, never had it. DD never had it, mom and dad never had it, husband never had it, MIL, FIL, siblings - all 4 shots, all never had it.

yet.

[Anonymous]

What can we do? This is the hand we’ve been dealt. We’re so lucky to have a vaccine and we just have to live with this. It’s not going away, although hopefully one day it will be much less virulent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think you need to balance the known harm of lack of social contact with the unknown long term impacts of COVID. For our family one year of social isolation (based on following public health advice) was horrible. We are focused on addressing the issues we know about, not worrying about what might happen that we cannot reasonably prevent. I think most people outside of DCUM message boards get this. And while I am happy to mask in public during surges, I find it so silly when people fixate on that but don't mask in other settings.

Nobody has said anything about going into social isolation.

That is the only way to completely avoid COVID. Nobody enjoys socializing with masks on or outdoors in winter weather. Anyone who says otherwise is either very much an outlier or lying.

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Anonymous wrote: Our family has been sick so much in the past few months. My son's out of school with a fever for 3 days every 3-4 weeks since school started. The doc just gave him some lab test looking for a dozen different illnesses/bacteria and he was found to have had "in the recent past" flu A, flu B, mono and 2 bacterial infections... ironically no covid. He's never tested positive for covid. My husband, daughter, granddaughter and myself have had cold after cold after cold. There's definitely something up with our immune systems. I am the only one that's tested positive for covid.

Immunity debt from so much forced lockdown and masking. Our immune systems are just dealing with all the viruses/infections we would normally have gotten over the past 3 years if we hadn't been isolated and masked up. It will stop soon.

The rest is just COVID hysteria (and I'm triple-boosted, so not an anti-vaxxer.)

And yet you are here making an anti-science argument!