Covid permanently harms immune system, repeat infections increase damage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote: Our family has been sick so much in the past few months. My son's out of school with a fever for 3 days every 3-4 weeks since school started. The doc just gave him some lab test looking for a dozen different illnesses/bacteria and he was found to have had "in the recent past" flu A, flu B, mono and 2 bacterial infections... ironically no covid. He's never tested positive for covid. My husband, daughter, granddaughter and myself have had cold after cold after cold. There's definitely something up with our immune systems. I am the only one that's tested positive for covid.

Immunity debt from so much forced lockdown and masking. Our immune systems are just dealing with all the viruses/infections we would normally have gotten over the past 3 years if we hadn't been isolated and masked up. It will stop soon.

The rest is just COVID hysteria (and I'm triple-boosted, so not an anti-vaxxer.)

And yet you are here making an anti-science argument!

Numerous reputable scientists are making this argument. Now there are some idiots claiming that not getting sick weakens our immune system and calling that "immunity debt" but that is not what the PP said. Talk to anyone in public health and they will tell you that what we are seeing right now is either entirely or partially due to multiple cohorts getting these viruses in the same year when they might otherwise get them more spread out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Our family has been sick so much in the past few months. My son's out of school with a fever for 3 days every 3-4 weeks since school started. The doc just gave him some lab test looking for a dozen different illnesses/bacteria and he was found to have had "in the recent past" flu A, flu B, mono and 2 bacterial infections... ironically no covid. He's never tested positive for covid. My husband, daughter, granddaughter and myself have had cold after cold after cold. There's definitely something up with our immune systems. I am the only one that's tested positive for covid.

Immunity debt from so much forced lockdown and masking. Our immune systems are just dealing with all the viruses/infections we would normally have gotten over the past 3 years if we hadn't been isolated and masked up. It will stop soon.

The rest is just COVID hysteria (and I'm triple-boosted, so not an anti-vaxxer.)

And yet you are here making an anti-science argument!

This is not anti science!

Here we go again with the “Science” - science is turning into a religion at this point. Science allows for differing opinions and questioning. But this “science” you speak of doesn’t allow for that. Anyone speaking differently is labeled anti science. Sounds like a cult to me.

[Anonymous]

What surprises me is how quickly people have turned against masks. I went to the Kennedy center recently and very few people were wearing masks. Sitting for 3 hours in a crowded poorly ventilated space during a surge, not speaking, not exercising — there’s almost no reason NOT to wear a mask. We were shocked so few people were wearing them. At this point, I’m not obsessive about the masks but I still wear them on crowds when it’s no real hardship to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What surprises me is how quickly people have turned against masks. I went to the Kennedy center recently and very few people were wearing masks. Sitting for 3 hours in a crowded poorly ventilated space during a surge, not speaking, not exercising — there’s almost no reason NOT to wear a mask. We were shocked so few people were wearing them. At this point, I’m not obsessive about the masks but I still wear them on crowds when it’s no real hardship to do so.

Why would you go to the Kennedy Center at all if you consider it so high risk? Masks only take you so far. People don't wear them because they hate wearing masks. Going to the Kennedy Center is totally optional, they are not going to pay to be uncomfortable for hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you want to know why everyone is getting so sick so often these past few months, this is why. Even mild cases of Covid cause immune system damage that shares some similarities to HIV (in that it destroys T cells) and may be permanent. Repeat infections increase the damage. People think because they feel fine after they recover, that Covid is nothing. But people felt fine after they were infected with HIV too, often for a couple of years. The damage is cumulative and takes some time to emerge. https://nationalpost.com/health/is-covid-prematurely-aging-our-immune-systems

This is so wrong. 1) There's no evidence that Covid lingers in the body and continues to damage T cells the way that HIV does. 2) You produce T cells all the time. We have very effective antiviral drugs to prevent HIV from destroying T cells, and HIV patients who take their meds have absolutely normal t cell counts. HIV doesn't cause permanent destructive of T cells. Neither does Covid.

More concerning is whether Covid is wiping immune memory through destruction of B cells, the way measles does. You can also get that back but it's going to be a long process while you catch everything you ever caught as a kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What surprises me is how quickly people have turned against masks. I went to the Kennedy center recently and very few people were wearing masks. Sitting for 3 hours in a crowded poorly ventilated space during a surge, not speaking, not exercising — there’s almost no reason NOT to wear a mask. We were shocked so few people were wearing them. At this point, I’m not obsessive about the masks but I still wear them on crowds when it’s no real hardship to do so.

Um because wearing a mask is not normal and should’ve never been mandated in the first place. They’re uncomfortable and the majority of people have moved on from Pandemic Cosplay. If you’re so concerned about masks, stay home and save lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Like, you would rather get it repeatedly even if it's going to take 20 years off your life? Because you don't want to mask? Even if it takes 40 years off your life? Even if it makes you have a heart attack in 2 years? Because you don't like masking THAT much?

It's a strange hill to die on, but okay.

Yes. Lol. And also because I KNOW I am not having a heart attack in two years due to covid. I have a logical brain and have made my choice of taking the risk and quote happy with it. Thanks for asking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want to know why everyone is getting so sick so often these past few months, this is why. Even mild cases of Covid cause immune system damage that shares some similarities to HIV (in that it destroys T cells) and may be permanent. Repeat infections increase the damage. People think because they feel fine after they recover, that Covid is nothing. But people felt fine after they were infected with HIV too, often for a couple of years. The damage is cumulative and takes some time to emerge. https://nationalpost.com/health/is-covid-prematurely-aging-our-immune-systems

This is so wrong. 1) There's no evidence that Covid lingers in the body and continues to damage T cells the way that HIV does. 2) You produce T cells all the time. We have very effective antiviral drugs to prevent HIV from destroying T cells, and HIV patients who take their meds have absolutely normal t cell counts. HIV doesn't cause permanent destructive of T cells. Neither does Covid.

More concerning is whether Covid is wiping immune memory through destruction of B cells, the way measles does. You can also get that back but it's going to be a long process while you catch everything you ever caught as a kid.

Interesting

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Come back when you have a legit source.

+1
And stop with the click bait while you're at it.

https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-021-02228-6

Interesting jump to conclusions based on the data and methodology of the study. They recruited subjects that were particularly sick— a high percentage of hospitalized subjects. They looked at various immune system markers up to 24 weeks after infection— things that they already knew get (temporarily) changed from other RNA virus infections. And after unsurprisingly finding them still off after 24 weeks in some subjects, somehow we get to a conclusion that the immune systems are potentially permanently broken, despite no evidence of more susceptibility to infections among these patients.

Yep it’s interesting that half of their mild/moderate group was hospitalized. Doesn’t sound very mild to me. Also, these were patients who had covid in spring 2020. Ie different strain and unvaccinated. No longer relevant

[Anonymous]

OP here. All the people who are saying there is nothing we can do are 100% wrong. We can fund Covid research to develop better (neutralizing) vaccines, and to study this immune system damage. Your Congress just rejected the Covid research appropriations that was requested by the administration (based on the recommendation of people who actually understand this science). We are spending NO MONEY on figuring this out. Consider the decades-long research investment that was required to understand the pathology of HIV and develop successful treatments. WE NEED THAT NOW FOR COVID.

So yes, fellow citizens of a democracy, there is something you can do: demand that Congress appropriate money to study, prevent, and treat Covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like, you would rather get it repeatedly even if it's going to take 20 years off your life? Because you don't want to mask? Even if it takes 40 years off your life? Even if it makes you have a heart attack in 2 years? Because you don't like masking THAT much?

It's a strange hill to die on, but okay.

Yes. Lol. And also because I KNOW I am not having a heart attack in two years due to covid. I have a logical brain and have made my choice of taking the risk and quote happy with it. Thanks for asking.

That’s quite a bold statement considering we know it’s happening to others. Odds are it won’t happen to you, but it certainly is not zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. All the people who are saying there is nothing we can do are 100% wrong. We can fund Covid research to develop better (neutralizing) vaccines, and to study this immune system damage. Your Congress just rejected the Covid research appropriations that was requested by the administration (based on the recommendation of people who actually understand this science). We are spending NO MONEY on figuring this out. Consider the decades-long research investment that was required to understand the pathology of HIV and develop successful treatments. WE NEED THAT NOW FOR COVID.

So yes, fellow citizens of a democracy, there is something you can do: demand that Congress appropriate money to study, prevent, and treat Covid.

+1

And we can clean the air and monitor it better like France just decided to. It’s no coincidence that the more data that comes out about post acute effects, the more the anti mask rhetoric ramps up. I really don’t care what happens to the nasty folks anymore. It’s the next generation that I am concerned about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. All the people who are saying there is nothing we can do are 100% wrong. We can fund Covid research to develop better (neutralizing) vaccines, and to study this immune system damage. Your Congress just rejected the Covid research appropriations that was requested by the administration (based on the recommendation of people who actually understand this science). We are spending NO MONEY on figuring this out. Consider the decades-long research investment that was required to understand the pathology of HIV and develop successful treatments. WE NEED THAT NOW FOR COVID.

So yes, fellow citizens of a democracy, there is something you can do: demand that Congress appropriate money to study, prevent, and treat Covid.

+1

And we can clean the air and monitor it better like France just decided to. It’s no coincidence that the more data that comes out about post acute effects, the more the anti mask rhetoric ramps up. I really don’t care what happens to the nasty folks anymore. It’s the next generation that I am concerned about.

Think of the children is not an argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Our family has been sick so much in the past few months. My son's out of school with a fever for 3 days every 3-4 weeks since school started. The doc just gave him some lab test looking for a dozen different illnesses/bacteria and he was found to have had "in the recent past" flu A, flu B, mono and 2 bacterial infections... ironically no covid. He's never tested positive for covid. My husband, daughter, granddaughter and myself have had cold after cold after cold. There's definitely something up with our immune systems. I am the only one that's tested positive for covid.

Immunity debt from so much forced lockdown and masking. Our immune systems are just dealing with all the viruses/infections we would normally have gotten over the past 3 years if we hadn't been isolated and masked up. It will stop soon.

The rest is just COVID hysteria (and I'm triple-boosted, so not an anti-vaxxer.)

And yet you are here making an anti-science argument!

This is not anti science!

Here we go again with the “Science” - science is turning into a religion at this point. Science allows for differing opinions and questioning. But this “science” you speak of doesn’t allow for that. Anyone speaking differently is labeled anti science. Sounds like a cult to me.

There is a cult for this! I can’t find the article, but the Atlantic just wrote a great article about this group of people calling themselves “The People’s CDC” or something. Basically they want to mask forever and keep screaming “follow the science” like some kind of crazed mantra.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like, you would rather get it repeatedly even if it's going to take 20 years off your life? Because you don't want to mask? Even if it takes 40 years off your life? Even if it makes you have a heart attack in 2 years? Because you don't like masking THAT much?

It's a strange hill to die on, but okay.

If I thought masks would do what you seem to think they do, I’d mask too. But since they don’t…

DCUM is such a strange world. People here are in complete denial that a lot of transmission is inevitable. Not all of it, but most of it.

So, how do we stop most of the transmission?

Still waiting.