Considering moving to DC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:theres a lot of selection bias. the majority of posters on this board do not have children at a title 1 dcps. every single title 1 dcps is majority black with average to not so great test scores. every time someone posts about a positive personal experience at one of these schools, they either get majorly criticized or told that their children must still all be in early elementary school. test schools are one important indicator but they dont tell you everything about a school.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:theres a lot of selection bias. the majority of posters on this board do not have children at a title 1 dcps. every single title 1 dcps is majority black with average to not so great test scores. every time someone posts about a positive personal experience at one of these schools, they either get majorly criticized or told that their children must still all be in early elementary school. test schools are one important indicator but they dont tell you everything about a school.

Test scores become much much more important as you go higher up in grades, especially when you don’t have tracking in all subjects in middle and high school in DC. Then overwhelming majority of schools in this country offer full tracking in all subjects.

[Anonymous]

I’m the poster who regrets buying in DC despite being in Ward 3 schools. The instruction is hit or miss and I think the test scores are buoyed by high resourced, high achieving parents who supplement learning heavily not because of some superior teaching. The social scene is toxic and clique-heavy among the wealthy HSA contingent which trickles down to the social structure in the classes. It’s not so bad in the early years but pretty repulsive in the upper grades. I’m the product of public schools and a strong believer in public schools but our experience has been disappointing on many levels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:theres a lot of selection bias. the majority of posters on this board do not have children at a title 1 dcps. every single title 1 dcps is majority black with average to not so great test scores. every time someone posts about a positive personal experience at one of these schools, they either get majorly criticized or told that their children must still all be in early elementary school. test schools are one important indicator but they dont tell you everything about a school.

My kids are a title 1. It's a lovely community. I think it's probably a good school academically for a lot of kids. It's not a good school academically for my kids, and this became evident much earlier than I would have predicted. I think the test scores are a good indicator of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m the poster who regrets buying in DC despite being in Ward 3 schools. The instruction is hit or miss and I think the test scores are buoyed by high resourced, high achieving parents who supplement learning heavily not because of some superior teaching. The social scene is toxic and clique-heavy among the wealthy HSA contingent which trickles down to the social structure in the classes. It’s not so bad in the early years but pretty repulsive in the upper grades. I’m the product of public schools and a strong believer in public schools but our experience has been disappointing on many levels.

A ward 3 school where the teaching isn’t great? I’m shocked. (Sarcasm)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so much fun! Whew. I am the poster who posted about her child earlier. Considering that my child took PARCC the same test the students at Deal take, I know how his scores match up. Also, my child is now in Algebra and will be judged the same. His RI test and current reading level, again same test the kids at Deal take. So I know how he matches up with my White friends kids at those schools. Notice that I said NOTHING about his actual grades. I never said that test scores are not important at all. I just said that great test scores don’t make good schools fully.

That may not have been your intent, but it was precisely what you did when you agreed with the post that said exactly that. In fact the summary of the poster with whom you agreed that you replied to was "and most parents with options don’t want their kids to be or to go to school with mostly kids who are multiple grade levels behind." I am the poster who said there's a huge difference between saying test scores don't mean everything and test scores don't mean anything. Seems like you actually agree with that position.

I stand by my position that a school with 5% (or some very small #) of kids at grade level cannot provide the same quality of education as those with the vast majority at grade level. I also stand by my position that low test scores have nothing to do with race.

Your position is like the test score version of “I don’t see color.”

Research has proven that SES correlates very strongly with test scores. In the DMV area, the low SES demographic is primarily black. [/b]Therefore, schools with lower test scores are majority black students[/b]

I’m the poster that talked about why higher SES kids do better. It correlates because they have a wider knowledge base and that is exactly what standardized tests are testing for. So how do you get lower SES kids to do better? You provide a content and knowledge rich curriculum. Some school districts have done this and it works. But just saying standardized tests are useless because it correlates with SES tells me you don’t understand the underlying reason and perpetuate the falsehood that test scores don’t matter at all.

Also your bolded statement above in no way proves that standardized tests are race biased. You need to take a reasoning course

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so much fun! Whew. I am the poster who posted about her child earlier. Considering that my child took PARCC the same test the students at Deal take, I know how his scores match up. Also, my child is now in Algebra and will be judged the same. His RI test and current reading level, again same test the kids at Deal take. So I know how he matches up with my White friends kids at those schools. Notice that I said NOTHING about his actual grades. I never said that test scores are not important at all. I just said that great test scores don’t make good schools fully.

That may not have been your intent, but it was precisely what you did when you agreed with the post that said exactly that. In fact the summary of the poster with whom you agreed that you replied to was "and most parents with options don’t want their kids to be or to go to school with mostly kids who are multiple grade levels behind." I am the poster who said there's a huge difference between saying test scores don't mean everything and test scores don't mean anything. Seems like you actually agree with that position.

I stand by my position that a school with 5% (or some very small #) of kids at grade level cannot provide the same quality of education as those with the vast majority at grade level. I also stand by my position that low test scores have nothing to do with race.

Why don’t the PP above tell us what school her DC goes to? And what his scores are on PARCC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so much fun! Whew. I am the poster who posted about her child earlier. Considering that my child took PARCC the same test the students at Deal take, I know how his scores match up. Also, my child is now in Algebra and will be judged the same. His RI test and current reading level, again same test the kids at Deal take. So I know how he matches up with my White friends kids at those schools. Notice that I said NOTHING about his actual grades. I never said that test scores are not important at all. I just said that great test scores don’t make good schools fully.

That may not have been your intent, but it was precisely what you did when you agreed with the post that said exactly that. In fact the summary of the poster with whom you agreed that you replied to was "and most parents with options don’t want their kids to be or to go to school with mostly kids who are multiple grade levels behind." I am the poster who said there's a huge difference between saying test scores don't mean everything and test scores don't mean anything. Seems like you actually agree with that position.

I stand by my position that a school with 5% (or some very small #) of kids at grade level cannot provide the same quality of education as those with the vast majority at grade level. I also stand by my position that low test scores have nothing to do with race.

Why don’t the PP above tell us what school her DC goes to? And what his scores are on PARCC?

Probably because the people on this board are so rude

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so much fun! Whew. I am the poster who posted about her child earlier. Considering that my child took PARCC the same test the students at Deal take, I know how his scores match up. Also, my child is now in Algebra and will be judged the same. His RI test and current reading level, again same test the kids at Deal take. So I know how he matches up with my White friends kids at those schools. Notice that I said NOTHING about his actual grades. I never said that test scores are not important at all. I just said that great test scores don’t make good schools fully.

That may not have been your intent, but it was precisely what you did when you agreed with the post that said exactly that. In fact the summary of the poster with whom you agreed that you replied to was "and most parents with options don’t want their kids to be or to go to school with mostly kids who are multiple grade levels behind." I am the poster who said there's a huge difference between saying test scores don't mean everything and test scores don't mean anything. Seems like you actually agree with that position.

I stand by my position that a school with 5% (or some very small #) of kids at grade level cannot provide the same quality of education as those with the vast majority at grade level. I also stand by my position that low test scores have nothing to do with race.

Why don’t the PP above tell us what school her DC goes to? And what his scores are on PARCC?

Probably because the people on this board are so rude

Bingo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so much fun! Whew. I am the poster who posted about her child earlier. Considering that my child took PARCC the same test the students at Deal take, I know how his scores match up. Also, my child is now in Algebra and will be judged the same. His RI test and current reading level, again same test the kids at Deal take. So I know how he matches up with my White friends kids at those schools. Notice that I said NOTHING about his actual grades. I never said that test scores are not important at all. I just said that great test scores don’t make good schools fully.

That may not have been your intent, but it was precisely what you did when you agreed with the post that said exactly that. In fact the summary of the poster with whom you agreed that you replied to was "and most parents with options don’t want their kids to be or to go to school with mostly kids who are multiple grade levels behind." I am the poster who said there's a huge difference between saying test scores don't mean everything and test scores don't mean anything. Seems like you actually agree with that position.

I stand by my position that a school with 5% (or some very small #) of kids at grade level cannot provide the same quality of education as those with the vast majority at grade level. I also stand by my position that low test scores have nothing to do with race.

Your position is like the test score version of “I don’t see color.”

Research has proven that SES correlates very strongly with test scores. In the DMV area, the low SES demographic is primarily black. Therefore, schools with lower test scores are majority black students

You are confused. Follow along here. Whether test scores are low at majority black schools or all white schools, it does not change the fact that schools with almost no kids at grade level will not provide the the same education as schools with all most most kids at grade level. What part of that is hard for you?

I realize that you are desperate to engage in some larger discussion about why low SES have low test scores, but that's not what the discussion was about. Take your shiny object non-sequiter somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so much fun! Whew. I am the poster who posted about her child earlier. Considering that my child took PARCC the same test the students at Deal take, I know how his scores match up. Also, my child is now in Algebra and will be judged the same. His RI test and current reading level, again same test the kids at Deal take. So I know how he matches up with my White friends kids at those schools. Notice that I said NOTHING about his actual grades. I never said that test scores are not important at all. I just said that great test scores don’t make good schools fully.

That may not have been your intent, but it was precisely what you did when you agreed with the post that said exactly that. In fact the summary of the poster with whom you agreed that you replied to was "and most parents with options don’t want their kids to be or to go to school with mostly kids who are multiple grade levels behind." I am the poster who said there's a huge difference between saying test scores don't mean everything and test scores don't mean anything. Seems like you actually agree with that position.

I stand by my position that a school with 5% (or some very small #) of kids at grade level cannot provide the same quality of education as those with the vast majority at grade level. I also stand by my position that low test scores have nothing to do with race.

Why don’t the PP above tell us what school her DC goes to? And what his scores are on PARCC?

Probably because the people on this board are so rude

Nope, she should because if she makes a statement that is factual, she should have no problem backing it up by answering the question above.

Lots of boosters on DCUM for low performing schools saying stuff but then when asked name your school, it’s radio silence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so much fun! Whew. I am the poster who posted about her child earlier. Considering that my child took PARCC the same test the students at Deal take, I know how his scores match up. Also, my child is now in Algebra and will be judged the same. His RI test and current reading level, again same test the kids at Deal take. So I know how he matches up with my White friends kids at those schools. Notice that I said NOTHING about his actual grades. I never said that test scores are not important at all. I just said that great test scores don’t make good schools fully.

That may not have been your intent, but it was precisely what you did when you agreed with the post that said exactly that. In fact the summary of the poster with whom you agreed that you replied to was "and most parents with options don’t want their kids to be or to go to school with mostly kids who are multiple grade levels behind." I am the poster who said there's a huge difference between saying test scores don't mean everything and test scores don't mean anything. Seems like you actually agree with that position.

I stand by my position that a school with 5% (or some very small #) of kids at grade level cannot provide the same quality of education as those with the vast majority at grade level. I also stand by my position that low test scores have nothing to do with race.

Your position is like the test score version of “I don’t see color.”

Research has proven that SES correlates very strongly with test scores. In the DMV area, the low SES demographic is primarily black. Therefore, schools with lower test scores are majority black students

You are confused. Follow along here. Whether test scores are low at majority black schools or all white schools, it does not change the fact that schools with almost no kids at grade level will not provide the the same education as schools with all most most kids at grade level. What part of that is hard for you?

I realize that you are desperate to engage in some larger discussion about why low SES have low test scores, but that's not what the discussion was about. Take your shiny object non-sequiter somewhere else.

Please see 20:11 for my response. I can’t imagine there is any world where you think the way you talk to people encourages discussion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so much fun! Whew. I am the poster who posted about her child earlier. Considering that my child took PARCC the same test the students at Deal take, I know how his scores match up. Also, my child is now in Algebra and will be judged the same. His RI test and current reading level, again same test the kids at Deal take. So I know how he matches up with my White friends kids at those schools. Notice that I said NOTHING about his actual grades. I never said that test scores are not important at all. I just said that great test scores don’t make good schools fully.

That may not have been your intent, but it was precisely what you did when you agreed with the post that said exactly that. In fact the summary of the poster with whom you agreed that you replied to was "and most parents with options don’t want their kids to be or to go to school with mostly kids who are multiple grade levels behind." I am the poster who said there's a huge difference between saying test scores don't mean everything and test scores don't mean anything. Seems like you actually agree with that position.

I stand by my position that a school with 5% (or some very small #) of kids at grade level cannot provide the same quality of education as those with the vast majority at grade level. I also stand by my position that low test scores have nothing to do with race.

Why don’t the PP above tell us what school her DC goes to? And what his scores are on PARCC?

Probably because the people on this board are so rude

Nope, she should because if she makes a statement that is factual, she should have no problem backing it up by answering the question above.

Lots of boosters on DCUM for low performing schools saying stuff but then when asked name your school, it’s radio silence.

Wow! I have no problem backing it up honestly AND there are rude posters on this board. Wells is the school He had a 4 on both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so much fun! Whew. I am the poster who posted about her child earlier. Considering that my child took PARCC the same test the students at Deal take, I know how his scores match up. Also, my child is now in Algebra and will be judged the same. His RI test and current reading level, again same test the kids at Deal take. So I know how he matches up with my White friends kids at those schools. Notice that I said NOTHING about his actual grades. I never said that test scores are not important at all. I just said that great test scores don’t make good schools fully.

That may not have been your intent, but it was precisely what you did when you agreed with the post that said exactly that. In fact the summary of the poster with whom you agreed that you replied to was "and most parents with options don’t want their kids to be or to go to school with mostly kids who are multiple grade levels behind." I am the poster who said there's a huge difference between saying test scores don't mean everything and test scores don't mean anything. Seems like you actually agree with that position.

I stand by my position that a school with 5% (or some very small #) of kids at grade level cannot provide the same quality of education as those with the vast majority at grade level. I also stand by my position that low test scores have nothing to do with race.

Your position is like the test score version of “I don’t see color.”

Research has proven that SES correlates very strongly with test scores. In the DMV area, the low SES demographic is primarily black. Therefore, schools with lower test scores are majority black students

You are confused. Follow along here. Whether test scores are low at majority black schools or all white schools, it does not change the fact that schools with almost no kids at grade level will not provide the the same education as schools with all most most kids at grade level. What part of that is hard for you?

I realize that you are desperate to engage in some larger discussion about why low SES have low test scores, but that's not what the discussion was about. Take your shiny object non-sequiter somewhere else.

Please see 20:11 for my response. I can’t imagine there is any world where you think the way you talk to people encourages discussion

Nah, just have no f**** left to give. People like you who want to talk about anything but how things are. Pretending like schools with 5% kids at grade level are fine schools and provide the same quality of education of high performing schools. Desperate to excuse low performance and low standards that are punishing and failing another generation of kids.

Schools with almost no kids at grade level are lousy educational environments that need to be improved. As long as people like you can't agree on that DC schools cannot improve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so much fun! Whew. I am the poster who posted about her child earlier. Considering that my child took PARCC the same test the students at Deal take, I know how his scores match up. Also, my child is now in Algebra and will be judged the same. His RI test and current reading level, again same test the kids at Deal take. So I know how he matches up with my White friends kids at those schools. Notice that I said NOTHING about his actual grades. I never said that test scores are not important at all. I just said that great test scores don’t make good schools fully.

That may not have been your intent, but it was precisely what you did when you agreed with the post that said exactly that. In fact the summary of the poster with whom you agreed that you replied to was "and most parents with options don’t want their kids to be or to go to school with mostly kids who are multiple grade levels behind." I am the poster who said there's a huge difference between saying test scores don't mean everything and test scores don't mean anything. Seems like you actually agree with that position.

I stand by my position that a school with 5% (or some very small #) of kids at grade level cannot provide the same quality of education as those with the vast majority at grade level. I also stand by my position that low test scores have nothing to do with race.

Your position is like the test score version of “I don’t see color.”

Research has proven that SES correlates very strongly with test scores. In the DMV area, the low SES demographic is primarily black. Therefore, schools with lower test scores are majority black students

You are confused. Follow along here. Whether test scores are low at majority black schools or all white schools, it does not change the fact that schools with almost no kids at grade level will not provide the the same education as schools with all most most kids at grade level. What part of that is hard for you?

I realize that you are desperate to engage in some larger discussion about why low SES have low test scores, but that's not what the discussion was about. Take your shiny object non-sequiter somewhere else.

Please see 20:11 for my response. I can’t imagine there is any world where you think the way you talk to people encourages discussion

Nah, just have no f**** left to give. People like you who want to talk about anything but how things are. Pretending like schools with 5% kids at grade level are fine schools and provide the same quality of education of high performing schools. Desperate to excuse low performance and low standards that are punishing and failing another generation of kids.

Schools with almost no kids at grade level are lousy educational environments that need to be improved. As long as people like you can't agree on that DC schools cannot improve.

NP and real question, have you been INSIDE any of these schools? 5% kids at grade level but 60% of kids at a level 3 is not the same as 60% of kids at a level 1. Just saying!