Days are numbered for the US News "ranking" racket? Yale...

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Anonymous wrote:It's just for law school
Who cares

Law schools are only the beginning...

Undergrad administrators at the top schools feel the same way about USNWR.

Especially administrators at colleges that were caught submitting fake data to USNWR

When the administrators play games with the data everybody suffers. My university wanted to make it look as though they had more full-time faculty on the undergraduate level so all of the faculty were required to also teach two undergraduate courses every year so that we would count as undergraduate faculty. We were randomly assigned to teach gateway undergraduate courses that often had nothing to do with our actual specialties or interests. Most of us lack the sort of expertise that would’ve made us good at this, things like helping students to orient themselves to college, referring students to writing centers in the like if that expertise was required, working with ESL students. All for the sake of letting up a couple of points in the rankings

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Anonymous wrote:Law school rankings are a slightly different kettle of fish. The T14 virtually never change, and every law firm knows what those are, so either way, not a huge impact.

From another angle, however, this makes one wonder what Yale feels it needs to hide.

Exactly. I’m no fan of the USNW rankings, but Yale & Harvard were fine with them when they were 1 & 2. Now they’re starting to drop in the rankings, they want to take their ball and go home.

It does make one wonder if the backlash against the recent shenanigans on campus is having an effect on employment prospects for graduates.

You’re the one who should just go home. Yale has been ranked number one forever and there’s no indication that that’s gonna change any time soon.

Yale's score was dropping even though they were still at the top due to "peer rating" because more and more judges were saying they wouldn't accept clerks from there. So they quit. That should help their reputation. They can frame it as DEI but everyone knows why.

A few wingnut judges don’t have that much influence.

Wanting clerks that can think clearly and won't leak info based on their own agenda is hardly "wingnut." Have you met any recent grads? No thanks.

+1. Actually the issue is the intolerance of Yale law students and admin. There is no such thing as free speech there anymore. Only intolerance. And law firms have long avoided Yale law grads because they were trained to be in-the-clouds academics and we’re not good lawyers. Everyone in law knows this.

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Anonymous wrote:Law school rankings are a slightly different kettle of fish. The T14 virtually never change, and every law firm knows what those are, so either way, not a huge impact.

From another angle, however, this makes one wonder what Yale feels it needs to hide.

Exactly. I’m no fan of the USNW rankings, but Yale & Harvard were fine with them when they were 1 & 2. Now they’re starting to drop in the rankings, they want to take their ball and go home.

It does make one wonder if the backlash against the recent shenanigans on campus is having an effect on employment prospects for graduates.

You’re the one who should just go home. Yale has been ranked number one forever and there’s no indication that that’s gonna change any time soon.

Yale's score was dropping even though they were still at the top due to "peer rating" because more and more judges were saying they wouldn't accept clerks from there. So they quit. That should help their reputation. They can frame it as DEI but everyone knows why.

A few wingnut judges don’t have that much influence.

Wanting clerks that can think clearly and won't leak info based on their own agenda is hardly "wingnut." Have you met any recent grads? No thanks.

+1. Actually the issue is the intolerance of Yale law students and admin. There is no such thing as free speech there anymore. Only intolerance. And law firms have long avoided Yale law grads because they were trained to be in-the-clouds academics and we’re not good lawyers. Everyone in law knows this.

NP. Here at DCUM when the monthly misleading thread on law school so-called "feeders" is posted, inevitably someone points to Yale law matriculants coming primarily from certain prestigious LACs, moreso than other elite law schools like Harvard. I hadn't made the connection before, between the narrower slice of undergrads represented and the Yale law mindset, but it certainly is food for thought.

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Anonymous wrote:You mean return to the prehistoric days where there were no rankings and kids applied to whatever school they’d heard of? No thanks. I’d rather see schools noticed for their efforts to improve programs. Sure there’s lots of gaming but it’s better than NO information.

Bad info is better than no info? Okay.

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Anonymous wrote:Law school rankings are a slightly different kettle of fish. The T14 virtually never change, and every law firm knows what those are, so either way, not a huge impact.

From another angle, however, this makes one wonder what Yale feels it needs to hide.

Exactly. I’m no fan of the USNW rankings, but Yale & Harvard were fine with them when they were 1 & 2. Now they’re starting to drop in the rankings, they want to take their ball and go home.

It does make one wonder if the backlash against the recent shenanigans on campus is having an effect on employment prospects for graduates.

You’re the one who should just go home. Yale has been ranked number one forever and there’s no indication that that’s gonna change any time soon.

Yale's score was dropping even though they were still at the top due to "peer rating" because more and more judges were saying they wouldn't accept clerks from there. So they quit. That should help their reputation. They can frame it as DEI but everyone knows why.

A few wingnut judges don’t have that much influence.

Wanting clerks that can think clearly and won't leak info based on their own agenda is hardly "wingnut." Have you met any recent grads? No thanks.

+1. Actually the issue is the intolerance of Yale law students and admin. There is no such thing as free speech there anymore. Only intolerance. And law firms have long avoided Yale law grads because they were trained to be in-the-clouds academics and we’re not good lawyers. Everyone in law knows this.

NP. Here at DCUM when the monthly misleading thread on law school so-called "feeders" is posted, inevitably someone points to Yale law matriculants coming primarily from certain prestigious LACs, moreso than other elite law schools like Harvard. I hadn't made the connection before, between the narrower slice of undergrads represented and the Yale law mindset, but it certainly is food for thought.

The Yale Law mindset? Isn't going to Yale pretty much just about going to the best and most prestigious law school? US law schools are the only grad discipline I can think of where it is basically undisputed which school is the top one.

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Anonymous wrote:Law school rankings are a slightly different kettle of fish. The T14 virtually never change, and every law firm knows what those are, so either way, not a huge impact.

From another angle, however, this makes one wonder what Yale feels it needs to hide.

Exactly. I’m no fan of the USNW rankings, but Yale & Harvard were fine with them when they were 1 & 2. Now they’re starting to drop in the rankings, they want to take their ball and go home.

It does make one wonder if the backlash against the recent shenanigans on campus is having an effect on employment prospects for graduates.

You’re the one who should just go home. Yale has been ranked number one forever and there’s no indication that that’s gonna change any time soon.

Yale's score was dropping even though they were still at the top due to "peer rating" because more and more judges were saying they wouldn't accept clerks from there. So they quit. That should help their reputation. They can frame it as DEI but everyone knows why.

A few wingnut judges don’t have that much influence.

Wanting clerks that can think clearly and won't leak info based on their own agenda is hardly "wingnut." Have you met any recent grads? No thanks.

+1. Actually the issue is the intolerance of Yale law students and admin. There is no such thing as free speech there anymore. Only intolerance. And law firms have long avoided Yale law grads because they were trained to be in-the-clouds academics and we’re not good lawyers. Everyone in law knows this.

NP. Here at DCUM when the monthly misleading thread on law school so-called "feeders" is posted, inevitably someone points to Yale law matriculants coming primarily from certain prestigious LACs, moreso than other elite law schools like Harvard. I hadn't made the connection before, between the narrower slice of undergrads represented and the Yale law mindset, but it certainly is food for thought.

The Yale Law mindset? Isn't going to Yale pretty much just about going to the best and most prestigious law school? US law schools are the only grad discipline I can think of where it is basically undisputed which school is the top one.

No, the atmosphere has become politically charged and vile. You can't express an opinion contrary to wokeism without being screamed at. Read up on it. And the Dean inappropriately encourages it. Law school depends upon students willing to debate the issues in class. If you are afraid to speak - as many Yalies are - the Socratic process breaks down. It's like the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution there. THAT'S why the federal judges won't hire from there anymore. In my time law firms wouldn't hire because the students have their heads in the clouds. They take "space torts" not torts. The students do not make good cog-in-the-wheel associates, especially now that they think they can correct everyone around them. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them"- Karl Popper