Days are numbered for the US News "ranking" racket? Yale...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean return to the prehistoric days where there were no rankings and kids applied to whatever school they’d heard of? No thanks. I’d rather see schools noticed for their efforts to improve programs. Sure there’s lots of gaming but it’s better than NO information.

No rankings doesn't mean "no information". We have the internet now, and there's no reason an org like US News or other outlets can't compile information on colleges that is relevant to students and their families. It's actually possible to provide info like:

- What majors are offered
- A school's reputation in a given industry
- Post-graduate employment statistics
- Average class size
- Student survey results on campus culture, accessibility of professors, and overall experience

And so on. But different students can want or need wildly different things in a school. So having a single list that ranks US colleges and universities based on a relatively narrow set of factors (all of which are "game-able" for the university) is nonsensical. The only people who like it are the hyper-competitive parents and kids who want the bragging rights of attending a "top" school regardless of whether the school is a good fit for their kids.

+1 Here's a good essay on why (and how) people should make their own rankings based on what's important to them using info that's easily available to anyone.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/blog/

Of course we created our own rankings for each of my kids but USN&WR and others were good references and helpful

[Anonymous]

Breaking news. Harvard just left too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:what a coward.
just law school LOL

The prestige colleges are next. It's inevitable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what a coward.
just law school LOL

The prestige colleges are next. It's inevitable.

Like Columbia lol

[Anonymous]

Yale doesn't want to disclose that it produced JD Vance.

[Anonymous]

Schools would rather not have any transparency.

[Anonymous]

The rankings have no value for the top ten or fifteen law schools anyway. Everyone knows what they are.

After the top 15, things get much trickier. How many people know off the top off their head which law school is better, Minnesota, UNC Chapel Hill, Florida, or Iowa? They're all ranked 21 to 28.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The rankings have no value for the top ten or fifteen law schools anyway. Everyone knows what they are.

After the top 15, things get much trickier. How many people know off the top off their head which law school is better, Minnesota, UNC Chapel Hill, Florida, or Iowa? They're all ranked 21 to 28.

How many people care which is better? And why should they?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Law school rankings are a slightly different kettle of fish. The T14 virtually never change, and every law firm knows what those are, so either way, not a huge impact.

From another angle, however, this makes one wonder what Yale feels it needs to hide.

Exactly. I’m no fan of the USNW rankings, but Yale & Harvard were fine with them when they were 1 & 2. Now they’re starting to drop in the rankings, they want to take their ball and go home.

It does make one wonder if the backlash against the recent shenanigans on campus is having an effect on employment prospects for graduates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Law school rankings are a slightly different kettle of fish. The T14 virtually never change, and every law firm knows what those are, so either way, not a huge impact.

From another angle, however, this makes one wonder what Yale feels it needs to hide.

Exactly. I’m no fan of the USNW rankings, but Yale & Harvard were fine with them when they were 1 & 2. Now they’re starting to drop in the rankings, they want to take their ball and go home.

It does make one wonder if the backlash against the recent shenanigans on campus is having an effect on employment prospects for graduates.

Have Harvard and Yale dropped out of the undergraduate rankings?

Columbia is praying for that after they were caught submitting fraudulent data this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Law school rankings are a slightly different kettle of fish. The T14 virtually never change, and every law firm knows what those are, so either way, not a huge impact.

From another angle, however, this makes one wonder what Yale feels it needs to hide.

Exactly. I’m no fan of the USNW rankings, but Yale & Harvard were fine with them when they were 1 & 2. Now they’re starting to drop in the rankings, they want to take their ball and go home.

It does make one wonder if the backlash against the recent shenanigans on campus is having an effect on employment prospects for graduates.

You’re the one who should just go home. Yale has been ranked number one forever and there’s no indication that that’s gonna change any time soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schools would rather not have any transparency.

Exactly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean return to the prehistoric days where there were no rankings and kids applied to whatever school they’d heard of? No thanks. I’d rather see schools noticed for their efforts to improve programs. Sure there’s lots of gaming but it’s better than NO information.

No rankings doesn't mean "no information". We have the internet now, and there's no reason an org like US News or other outlets can't compile information on colleges that is relevant to students and their families. It's actually possible to provide info like:

- What majors are offered
- A school's reputation in a given industry
- Post-graduate employment statistics
- Average class size
- Student survey results on campus culture, accessibility of professors, and overall experience

And so on. But different students can want or need wildly different things in a school. So having a single list that ranks US colleges and universities based on a relatively narrow set of factors (all of which are "game-able" for the university) is nonsensical. The only people who like it are the hyper-competitive parents and kids who want the bragging rights of attending a "top" school regardless of whether the school is a good fit for their kids.

Hey PPs read the article before posting. This is about law school rankings which is an entirely different matter and DOES need overhaul because now all law schools look almost solely at lsat and gpa because that’s what has to be reported to USNWR

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Law school rankings are a slightly different kettle of fish. The T14 virtually never change, and every law firm knows what those are, so either way, not a huge impact.

From another angle, however, this makes one wonder what Yale feels it needs to hide.

Exactly. I’m no fan of the USNW rankings, but Yale & Harvard were fine with them when they were 1 & 2. Now they’re starting to drop in the rankings, they want to take their ball and go home.

It does make one wonder if the backlash against the recent shenanigans on campus is having an effect on employment prospects for graduates.

Why would it make one wonder this? They’re two completely disconnected things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yale Law School won't participate anymore. Others will soon follow, right?

Guess we'll stop interviewing at Yale -- said no law firm ever.

This will have zero impact on anyone. Frankly, the whole damn USNWR law school ranking enterprise could fold up shop and we'd still be able to tell the wheat from the chaff.