"I thought 50% for no work was okay and I was wrong"

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Anonymous wrote:Those rules are offensive to students who actually prioritize their schoolwork.

Only if you think the entire point of school is to rank students.

If you think it’s to get the most kids possible a basic level of knowledge so they can be productive members of society, it’s not.

Another part of school is learning to be a productive citizen who not only has a basic level of knowledge but also has a work ethic, knows how to meet expectations, handle deadlines, etc. A basic level of functioning.

Ranking students is a way to bring in people's natural competitiveness in order to help them learn these skills, it's not the end goal.

This. Plus, like it or not, ranking matters for colleges. So yeah, if some slacker or disinterested kid has a shot at the same schools as a kid who actually did the work and didt have to do constant retakes- not ok.

The idea that giving a high F on an assignment instead of a low F is going to make Lazy Larlo into your kid's competition is nonsense.

It’s not about high F v low F. It’s about kids who would normally earn a D or a C earning B’s even though they have a significant number of missing assignments due to those missing assignments being marked as 50% instead of zero. It inflates the grades A LOT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those rules are offensive to students who actually prioritize their schoolwork.

Only if you think the entire point of school is to rank students.

If you think it’s to get the most kids possible a basic level of knowledge so they can be productive members of society, it’s not.

Another part of school is learning to be a productive citizen who not only has a basic level of knowledge but also has a work ethic, knows how to meet expectations, handle deadlines, etc. A basic level of functioning.

Ranking students is a way to bring in people's natural competitiveness in order to help them learn these skills, it's not the end goal.

This. Plus, like it or not, ranking matters for colleges. So yeah, if some slacker or disinterested kid has a shot at the same schools as a kid who actually did the work and didt have to do constant retakes- not ok.

The idea that giving a high F on an assignment instead of a low F is going to make Lazy Larlo into your kid's competition is nonsense.

It’s not about high F v low F. It’s about kids who would normally earn a D or a C earning B’s even though they have a significant number of missing assignments due to those missing assignments being marked as 50% instead of zero. It inflates the grades A LOT.

It shouldn't inflate the grade because along with the 50% policy is the policy that assessments should make up the majority of the overall grade. I am a math teacher... my classwork/homework assignments are worth 10% of the grade, and my tests/quizzes are worth 90% of the grade. We are moving away from fluffing up the grade with "participation" and "homework" and moving toward mastery of the material as the determinant of the grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those rules are offensive to students who actually prioritize their schoolwork.

Only if you think the entire point of school is to rank students.

If you think it’s to get the most kids possible a basic level of knowledge so they can be productive members of society, it’s not.

Another part of school is learning to be a productive citizen who not only has a basic level of knowledge but also has a work ethic, knows how to meet expectations, handle deadlines, etc. A basic level of functioning.

Ranking students is a way to bring in people's natural competitiveness in order to help them learn these skills, it's not the end goal.

This. Plus, like it or not, ranking matters for colleges. So yeah, if some slacker or disinterested kid has a shot at the same schools as a kid who actually did the work and didt have to do constant retakes- not ok.

The idea that giving a high F on an assignment instead of a low F is going to make Lazy Larlo into your kid's competition is nonsense.

It’s not about high F v low F. It’s about kids who would normally earn a D or a C earning B’s even though they have a significant number of missing assignments due to those missing assignments being marked as 50% instead of zero. It inflates the grades A LOT.

It shouldn't inflate the grade because along with the 50% policy is the policy that assessments should make up the majority of the overall grade. I am a math teacher... my classwork/homework assignments are worth 10% of the grade, and my tests/quizzes are worth 90% of the grade. We are moving away from fluffing up the grade with "participation" and "homework" and moving toward mastery of the material as the determinant of the grade.

Further, a bunch of 50s is NOT going to push a C into a B or an A. And stop worrying about making kids compete against each other. It is gross and not at all the point of education. Worry about your own kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those rules are offensive to students who actually prioritize their schoolwork.

Only if you think the entire point of school is to rank students.

If you think it’s to get the most kids possible a basic level of knowledge so they can be productive members of society, it’s not.

Another part of school is learning to be a productive citizen who not only has a basic level of knowledge but also has a work ethic, knows how to meet expectations, handle deadlines, etc. A basic level of functioning.

Ranking students is a way to bring in people's natural competitiveness in order to help them learn these skills, it's not the end goal.

This. Plus, like it or not, ranking matters for colleges. So yeah, if some slacker or disinterested kid has a shot at the same schools as a kid who actually did the work and didt have to do constant retakes- not ok.

The idea that giving a high F on an assignment instead of a low F is going to make Lazy Larlo into your kid's competition is nonsense.

It’s not about high F v low F. It’s about kids who would normally earn a D or a C earning B’s even though they have a significant number of missing assignments due to those missing assignments being marked as 50% instead of zero. It inflates the grades A LOT.

It shouldn't inflate the grade because along with the 50% policy is the policy that assessments should make up the majority of the overall grade. I am a math teacher... my classwork/homework assignments are worth 10% of the grade, and my tests/quizzes are worth 90% of the grade. We are moving away from fluffing up the grade with "participation" and "homework" and moving toward mastery of the material as the determinant of the grade.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those rules are offensive to students who actually prioritize their schoolwork.

Only if you think the entire point of school is to rank students.

If you think it’s to get the most kids possible a basic level of knowledge so they can be productive members of society, it’s not.

Another part of school is learning to be a productive citizen who not only has a basic level of knowledge but also has a work ethic, knows how to meet expectations, handle deadlines, etc. A basic level of functioning.

Ranking students is a way to bring in people's natural competitiveness in order to help them learn these skills, it's not the end goal.

This. Plus, like it or not, ranking matters for colleges. So yeah, if some slacker or disinterested kid has a shot at the same schools as a kid who actually did the work and didt have to do constant retakes- not ok.

The idea that giving a high F on an assignment instead of a low F is going to make Lazy Larlo into your kid's competition is nonsense.

It’s not about high F v low F. It’s about kids who would normally earn a D or a C earning B’s even though they have a significant number of missing assignments due to those missing assignments being marked as 50% instead of zero. It inflates the grades A LOT.

How in the universe is a kid getting a B if they have "a significant number" of 50%s?
Like for real - what is the grade spread you are imagining that results in a B?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those rules are offensive to students who actually prioritize their schoolwork.

Only if you think the entire point of school is to rank students.

If you think it’s to get the most kids possible a basic level of knowledge so they can be productive members of society, it’s not.

Another part of school is learning to be a productive citizen who not only has a basic level of knowledge but also has a work ethic, knows how to meet expectations, handle deadlines, etc. A basic level of functioning.

Ranking students is a way to bring in people's natural competitiveness in order to help them learn these skills, it's not the end goal.

This. Plus, like it or not, ranking matters for colleges. So yeah, if some slacker or disinterested kid has a shot at the same schools as a kid who actually did the work and didt have to do constant retakes- not ok.

The idea that giving a high F on an assignment instead of a low F is going to make Lazy Larlo into your kid's competition is nonsense.

It’s not about high F v low F. It’s about kids who would normally earn a D or a C earning B’s even though they have a significant number of missing assignments due to those missing assignments being marked as 50% instead of zero. It inflates the grades A LOT.

How in the universe is a kid getting a B if they have "a significant number" of 50%s?
Like for real - what is the grade spread you are imagining that results in a B?

Equity grading.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those rules are offensive to students who actually prioritize their schoolwork.

Only if you think the entire point of school is to rank students.

If you think it’s to get the most kids possible a basic level of knowledge so they can be productive members of society, it’s not.

Another part of school is learning to be a productive citizen who not only has a basic level of knowledge but also has a work ethic, knows how to meet expectations, handle deadlines, etc. A basic level of functioning.

Ranking students is a way to bring in people's natural competitiveness in order to help them learn these skills, it's not the end goal.

This. Plus, like it or not, ranking matters for colleges. So yeah, if some slacker or disinterested kid has a shot at the same schools as a kid who actually did the work and didt have to do constant retakes- not ok.

The idea that giving a high F on an assignment instead of a low F is going to make Lazy Larlo into your kid's competition is nonsense.

It’s not about high F v low F. It’s about kids who would normally earn a D or a C earning B’s even though they have a significant number of missing assignments due to those missing assignments being marked as 50% instead of zero. It inflates the grades A LOT.

It shouldn't inflate the grade because along with the 50% policy is the policy that assessments should make up the majority of the overall grade. I am a math teacher... my classwork/homework assignments are worth 10% of the grade, and my tests/quizzes are worth 90% of the grade. We are moving away from fluffing up the grade with "participation" and "homework" and moving toward mastery of the material as the determinant of the grade.

Then we have the issue of teachers not teaching certain material or not teaching it well, and it results all kids miss the same questions. It also results in teachers not retracting it, not throwing out the questions like this, not seeing that they are the issue, etc.

I say this as both a parent and former teacher. I hear a lot of excuses and deflecting, but no self reflecting or responsibility.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those rules are offensive to students who actually prioritize their schoolwork.

Only if you think the entire point of school is to rank students.

If you think it’s to get the most kids possible a basic level of knowledge so they can be productive members of society, it’s not.

Another part of school is learning to be a productive citizen who not only has a basic level of knowledge but also has a work ethic, knows how to meet expectations, handle deadlines, etc. A basic level of functioning.

Ranking students is a way to bring in people's natural competitiveness in order to help them learn these skills, it's not the end goal.

This. Plus, like it or not, ranking matters for colleges. So yeah, if some slacker or disinterested kid has a shot at the same schools as a kid who actually did the work and didt have to do constant retakes- not ok.

The idea that giving a high F on an assignment instead of a low F is going to make Lazy Larlo into your kid's competition is nonsense.

It’s not about high F v low F. It’s about kids who would normally earn a D or a C earning B’s even though they have a significant number of missing assignments due to those missing assignments being marked as 50% instead of zero. It inflates the grades A LOT.

It shouldn't inflate the grade because along with the 50% policy is the policy that assessments should make up the majority of the overall grade. I am a math teacher... my classwork/homework assignments are worth 10% of the grade, and my tests/quizzes are worth 90% of the grade. We are moving away from fluffing up the grade with "participation" and "homework" and moving toward mastery of the material as the determinant of the grade.

Well I can tell you it is not happening. My friends seem positively gleeful that their kids with missing assignments, late assignments, etc. are still able to get B's in classes. And my kid sees it on her feed and gets the feedback from upperclass friends about what classes to take ("class XXXX is super easy. I never turn in my work and I have a B.")

It inflates grades. A lot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those rules are offensive to students who actually prioritize their schoolwork.

Only if you think the entire point of school is to rank students.

If you think it’s to get the most kids possible a basic level of knowledge so they can be productive members of society, it’s not.

Another part of school is learning to be a productive citizen who not only has a basic level of knowledge but also has a work ethic, knows how to meet expectations, handle deadlines, etc. A basic level of functioning.

Ranking students is a way to bring in people's natural competitiveness in order to help them learn these skills, it's not the end goal.

This. Plus, like it or not, ranking matters for colleges. So yeah, if some slacker or disinterested kid has a shot at the same schools as a kid who actually did the work and didt have to do constant retakes- not ok.

The idea that giving a high F on an assignment instead of a low F is going to make Lazy Larlo into your kid's competition is nonsense.

It’s not about high F v low F. It’s about kids who would normally earn a D or a C earning B’s even though they have a significant number of missing assignments due to those missing assignments being marked as 50% instead of zero. It inflates the grades A LOT.

It shouldn't inflate the grade because along with the 50% policy is the policy that assessments should make up the majority of the overall grade. I am a math teacher... my classwork/homework assignments are worth 10% of the grade, and my tests/quizzes are worth 90% of the grade. We are moving away from fluffing up the grade with "participation" and "homework" and moving toward mastery of the material as the determinant of the grade.

Further, a bunch of 50s is NOT going to push a C into a B or an A. And stop worrying about making kids compete against each other. It is gross and not at all the point of education. Worry about your own kid.

I don't give a flying F what you think is gross. The competition is there. It's not going away. I did not create it but we are forced to live with it. And it affects my kid so i will worry about it, whether I have your permission or not. I see how this plays out in real time between my kids' friends and my friends' kids.

[Anonymous]

Sadly, I do have a kid with an E. I really don't understand what you guys think is happening. Kids with Es who benefit from the 50% rule are not getting Bs and are not academically threatening the precious children of DCUM.

All of this handwringing is abstract nonsense. Just be happy you do not understand the issue first hand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those rules are offensive to students who actually prioritize their schoolwork.

Only if you think the entire point of school is to rank students.

If you think it’s to get the most kids possible a basic level of knowledge so they can be productive members of society, it’s not.

Another part of school is learning to be a productive citizen who not only has a basic level of knowledge but also has a work ethic, knows how to meet expectations, handle deadlines, etc. A basic level of functioning.

Ranking students is a way to bring in people's natural competitiveness in order to help them learn these skills, it's not the end goal.

This. Plus, like it or not, ranking matters for colleges. So yeah, if some slacker or disinterested kid has a shot at the same schools as a kid who actually did the work and didt have to do constant retakes- not ok.

The idea that giving a high F on an assignment instead of a low F is going to make Lazy Larlo into your kid's competition is nonsense.

It’s not about high F v low F. It’s about kids who would normally earn a D or a C earning B’s even though they have a significant number of missing assignments due to those missing assignments being marked as 50% instead of zero. It inflates the grades A LOT.

It shouldn't inflate the grade because along with the 50% policy is the policy that assessments should make up the majority of the overall grade. I am a math teacher... my classwork/homework assignments are worth 10% of the grade, and my tests/quizzes are worth 90% of the grade. We are moving away from fluffing up the grade with "participation" and "homework" and moving toward mastery of the material as the determinant of the grade.

Further, a bunch of 50s is NOT going to push a C into a B or an A. And stop worrying about making kids compete against each other. It is gross and not at all the point of education. Worry about your own kid.

I don't give a flying F what you think is gross. The competition is there. It's not going away. I did not create it but we are forced to live with it. And it affects my kid so i will worry about it, whether I have your permission or not. I see how this plays out in real time between my kids' friends and my friends' kids.

My kid with an E is not actually competing with yours. I wish he were, but he's not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those rules are offensive to students who actually prioritize their schoolwork.

Only if you think the entire point of school is to rank students.

If you think it’s to get the most kids possible a basic level of knowledge so they can be productive members of society, it’s not.

Another part of school is learning to be a productive citizen who not only has a basic level of knowledge but also has a work ethic, knows how to meet expectations, handle deadlines, etc. A basic level of functioning.

Ranking students is a way to bring in people's natural competitiveness in order to help them learn these skills, it's not the end goal.

This. Plus, like it or not, ranking matters for colleges. So yeah, if some slacker or disinterested kid has a shot at the same schools as a kid who actually did the work and didt have to do constant retakes- not ok.

The idea that giving a high F on an assignment instead of a low F is going to make Lazy Larlo into your kid's competition is nonsense.

It’s not about high F v low F. It’s about kids who would normally earn a D or a C earning B’s even though they have a significant number of missing assignments due to those missing assignments being marked as 50% instead of zero. It inflates the grades A LOT.

It shouldn't inflate the grade because along with the 50% policy is the policy that assessments should make up the majority of the overall grade. I am a math teacher... my classwork/homework assignments are worth 10% of the grade, and my tests/quizzes are worth 90% of the grade. We are moving away from fluffing up the grade with "participation" and "homework" and moving toward mastery of the material as the determinant of the grade.

Well I can tell you it is not happening. My friends seem positively gleeful that their kids with missing assignments, late assignments, etc. are still able to get B's in classes. And my kid sees it on her feed and gets the feedback from upperclass friends about what classes to take ("class XXXX is super easy. I never turn in my work and I have a B.")

It inflates grades. A lot.

This must be middle school and not HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This makes me crazy. I live in NJ. When my kid doesn't do an assignment, they get a 0. Not a 50. They don't ever get to retake an exam, or do corrections. As a result, they have As, Bs, and Cs on their transcript. No wonder all the stats on the college forum are so magically perfect. Signed, mom of imperfect kid who does not live in the DMV.

I don't know what to tell you, lady. Every school system is different. I can 100% say that kids' public high school is leagues more difficult than my NJ public high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This makes me crazy. I live in NJ. When my kid doesn't do an assignment, they get a 0. Not a 50. They don't ever get to retake an exam, or do corrections. As a result, they have As, Bs, and Cs on their transcript. No wonder all the stats on the college forum are so magically perfect. Signed, mom of imperfect kid who does not live in the DMV.

I don't know what to tell you, lady. Every school system is different. I can 100% say that kids' public high school is leagues more difficult than my NJ public high school.

*public high school in the DMV*

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those rules are offensive to students who actually prioritize their schoolwork.

Only if you think the entire point of school is to rank students.

If you think it’s to get the most kids possible a basic level of knowledge so they can be productive members of society, it’s not.

Another part of school is learning to be a productive citizen who not only has a basic level of knowledge but also has a work ethic, knows how to meet expectations, handle deadlines, etc. A basic level of functioning.

Ranking students is a way to bring in people's natural competitiveness in order to help them learn these skills, it's not the end goal.

This. Plus, like it or not, ranking matters for colleges. So yeah, if some slacker or disinterested kid has a shot at the same schools as a kid who actually did the work and didt have to do constant retakes- not ok.

The idea that giving a high F on an assignment instead of a low F is going to make Lazy Larlo into your kid's competition is nonsense.

It’s not about high F v low F. It’s about kids who would normally earn a D or a C earning B’s even though they have a significant number of missing assignments due to those missing assignments being marked as 50% instead of zero. It inflates the grades A LOT.

It shouldn't inflate the grade because along with the 50% policy is the policy that assessments should make up the majority of the overall grade. I am a math teacher... my classwork/homework assignments are worth 10% of the grade, and my tests/quizzes are worth 90% of the grade. We are moving away from fluffing up the grade with "participation" and "homework" and moving toward mastery of the material as the determinant of the grade.

Further, a bunch of 50s is NOT going to push a C into a B or an A. And stop worrying about making kids compete against each other. It is gross and not at all the point of education. Worry about your own kid.

I don't give a flying F what you think is gross. The competition is there. It's not going away. I did not create it but we are forced to live with it. And it affects my kid so i will worry about it, whether I have your permission or not. I see how this plays out in real time between my kids' friends and my friends' kids.

My kid with an E is not actually competing with yours. I wish he were, but he's not.

The issue is high school and the issue is NOT that your kid competes with my kid. Instead, equity grading as a whole helps the weakest students. Here’s how:

Kid 1
Math hw not turned in = 50 but it doesn’t count because it homework
Math quiz taken, little effort = 28, turns into a 50 but doesn’t count because it’s formative
Math quiz taken, little effort = 40, turns into a 50 but doesn’t count because it’s formative
Math classwork, turns nothing in = 50, but doesn’t count because it’s formative
Math test 70
Grade in math for this week is a 70. This equity helps this child.

Kid 2
Math hw = 100 but it doesn’t count because it homework
Math quiz taken = 98 but doesn’t count because it’s formative
Math quiz taken= 96 but doesn’t count because it’s formative
Math classwork = 100, but doesn’t count because it’s formative
Math test 90
Grade in math for this week is a 90 This equity hurt this child.

Now, take this equity grading and apply it unequally throughout the school and then throughout the county. Teacher Larla counts formative grades and teacher larlo doesnt. Teacher Marlo gives 5 tests a quester, each one with 40 questions, but nothing else counts. Teacher Marla gives 4, four question tests throughout the quarter. Some allow retakes, some don’t.

Then mix those kids together and start comparing their grades against each other for admission to selective schools.