E Hall Pass?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it possible to
Limit the pass asking to the first 10 minutes of class?
If I don’t sign the digital consent will my child be opted out?

Not sure about the ePass, but several online software/apps are not included in the consent form - because FCPS has already approved them for you.

I thought that the apps not included in the digital consent fodm must abide by FERPA.

It does not appear that a tracking app that identifies minor students bathroom habits is covered by FERPA.

Does anyone with a better understanding want to chime in?

Not sure if this helps -- The fifth question listed under FAQs on the LBSS webpage on e-Hall Pass states that the e-Hall Pass uses PII, as defined by FERPA, via the Google Login. Because the data stored by e-Hall Pass contains PII, Eduspires Solutions signed a Data Protection Agreement (DPA) to cover FCPS’s FERPA responsibility. That's why parent permission is not required.

https://lakebraddockss.fcps.edu/about/policies-and-procedures/e-hall-pass

Thanks! So Lake Braddock uses it, does Irving? Is there a place we can find out which schools use this?

West Springfield sent out an email on Friday stating that they are jow having to add this app for bathroom breaks.

I am sure Irving is next

[Anonymous]

eHallpass is great. Lets us know where students are at any time. Emergency? Parent call? Any staff member can look and see where a child is if they're not in their scheduled class. And how many minutes they've been gone for.

The only kids it's bad for are the ones who want passes from every class or who want to roam around the school. I personally find it useful to know that OH, here is data that StudentA has had 6 hall passes today and missed 100 minutes of class time. And OH, here are the students who were not in class when X incident happened. These kids are minors in a public school, protecting safety is more important than protecting privacy.

-MS teacher (and parent of MS and ES kids)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nearly all students hate e hall pass, parents all disliking it because it is harmful for students' physical and mental health very much!

Give me a break. Parent hate that the school (who is responsible for their child while child is at school) knows where their kid is?! If the opposite were true (school doesn't know exactly where your special angel is) you would raise hell about that.

Nope. Parents just hate hearing from school that their kids is skipping class, taking breaks every class, etc. because the pressure is on them to talk to the kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is a student’s basic right to use bathroom when they need to. FCPS should not limit, control, and harm all of the good student’s rights just because there are some students that abuse this right. All too often, the good are punished because of the bad. Let’s not let that happen here. Just return it back to the way it was before.

Before when? When sinks were getting ripped out of bathroom walls and posted on TikTok? You need a more balanced views of what public schools and teachers (and students!) are dealing with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible to
Limit the pass asking to the first 10 minutes of class?
If I don’t sign the digital consent will my child be opted out?

Not sure about the ePass, but several online software/apps are not included in the consent form - because FCPS has already approved them for you.

I thought that the apps not included in the digital consent fodm must abide by FERPA.

It does not appear that a tracking app that identifies minor students bathroom habits is covered by FERPA.

Does anyone with a better understanding want to chime in?

Not sure if this helps -- The fifth question listed under FAQs on the LBSS webpage on e-Hall Pass states that the e-Hall Pass uses PII, as defined by FERPA, via the Google Login. Because the data stored by e-Hall Pass contains PII, Eduspires Solutions signed a Data Protection Agreement (DPA) to cover FCPS’s FERPA responsibility. That's why parent permission is not required.

https://lakebraddockss.fcps.edu/about/policies-and-procedures/e-hall-pass

Thanks! So Lake Braddock uses it, does Irving? Is there a place we can find out which schools use this?

Robinson does too. At least in the middle school, not sure about 9-12.

9-12 at Robo uses it too. My kid complains. Our sub school principal explained it and it actually sounded like a great concept except for the management burden placed on the teachers. Of course, I was amused when a parent wrote on our parents page on FB that she was upset her son got called out for taking too long in the bathroom, “because he needs extra time to go.” How mortifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nearly all students hate e hall pass, parents all disliking it because it is harmful for students' physical and mental health very much!

Give me a break. Parent hate that the school (who is responsible for their child while child is at school) knows where their kid is?! If the opposite were true (school doesn't know exactly where your special angel is) you would raise hell about that.

Nope. Parents just hate hearing from school that their kids is skipping class, taking breaks every class, etc. because the pressure is on them to talk to the kid.

+ 100

[Anonymous]

Parent who generally bugged that it is nearly impossible to get from one end of Chantilly to the other and impossible to do so and pee. And feels it’s a problem this may or may not solve. But, I do expect Chantilly to have a general clue where my kid is at any given point and they have 3000 kids in that school.

And I have had the school lose my kid. More than once. As in, attendance calls and says she isn’t there. I check and her phone is. I ask attendance to please find her. They tell me one of her friends must have taken her phone to school while she played hooky and she’s unexcused absent. I text DD who gets permission to take a picture of the clock in the classroom (small AP class) and text it to me. That teacher is now interested in the fact they think she’s absent, and gets involved. The school still insists she’s gone but after it’s escalated to the AP, agrees to mark her “absence” excused. Kid leaves class and reports to the subschool to prove she is present, not absent. They accuse her of not being herself. Seriously. And she’s a unique looking kid. She, the subschool AP and I talk again. I assure them that’s my DD and they still don’t believe me (or probably think I’m a friend and not the mom) And…. It turns out that the first week of school she changed math classes. Old teacher never formally removed her from the class roster. Sub came. The class insisted DD no longer attended this class and was next door with that teacher. Sub assumed they were lying… and marked her absent.

Then there was the time I was called and it turns out she had been excused for a rehearsal for an orchestra performance. That also took 45 minutes to clear up.

None of this made me think my kid was “safe and secure”.

Since they are incapable of keeping track of 3000 kids despite seeing that the kid is physically in front of them, maybe this will help. At least they haven’t lost her this year. Yet.

Really, would be glad to avoid this type of inanity eating up 45 minutes of my day.

I like that, whether it is used or not, the software should have the ability to flag that Janice and John, who have different schedules, cut class at a different time each day to hook up under the stairs. And despite their being 10 teachers involved in a given week someone can be alerted to an issue, and that issue can be easily dealt with. No passes for John while Janice is out of class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parent who generally bugged that it is nearly impossible to get from one end of Chantilly to the other and impossible to do so and pee. And feels it’s a problem this may or may not solve. But, I do expect Chantilly to have a general clue where my kid is at any given point and they have 3000 kids in that school.

And I have had the school lose my kid. More than once. As in, attendance calls and says she isn’t there. I check and her phone is. I ask attendance to please find her. They tell me one of her friends must have taken her phone to school while she played hooky and she’s unexcused absent. I text DD who gets permission to take a picture of the clock in the classroom (small AP class) and text it to me. That teacher is now interested in the fact they think she’s absent, and gets involved. The school still insists she’s gone but after it’s escalated to the AP, agrees to mark her “absence” excused. Kid leaves class and reports to the subschool to prove she is present, not absent. They accuse her of not being herself. Seriously. And she’s a unique looking kid. She, the subschool AP and I talk again. I assure them that’s my DD and they still don’t believe me (or probably think I’m a friend and not the mom) And…. It turns out that the first week of school she changed math classes. Old teacher never formally removed her from the class roster. Sub came. The class insisted DD no longer attended this class and was next door with that teacher. Sub assumed they were lying… and marked her absent.

Then there was the time I was called and it turns out she had been excused for a rehearsal for an orchestra performance. That also took 45 minutes to clear up.

None of this made me think my kid was “safe and secure”.

Since they are incapable of keeping track of 3000 kids despite seeing that the kid is physically in front of them, maybe this will help. At least they haven’t lost her this year. Yet.

Really, would be glad to avoid this type of inanity eating up 45 minutes of my day.

I like that, whether it is used or not, the software should have the ability to flag that Janice and John, who have different schedules, cut class at a different time each day to hook up under the stairs. And despite their being 10 teachers involved in a given week someone can be alerted to an issue, and that issue can be easily dealt with. No passes for John while Janice is out of class.

What if John has diarrhea?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parent who generally bugged that it is nearly impossible to get from one end of Chantilly to the other and impossible to do so and pee. And feels it’s a problem this may or may not solve. But, I do expect Chantilly to have a general clue where my kid is at any given point and they have 3000 kids in that school.

And I have had the school lose my kid. More than once. As in, attendance calls and says she isn’t there. I check and her phone is. I ask attendance to please find her. They tell me one of her friends must have taken her phone to school while she played hooky and she’s unexcused absent. I text DD who gets permission to take a picture of the clock in the classroom (small AP class) and text it to me. That teacher is now interested in the fact they think she’s absent, and gets involved. The school still insists she’s gone but after it’s escalated to the AP, agrees to mark her “absence” excused. Kid leaves class and reports to the subschool to prove she is present, not absent. They accuse her of not being herself. Seriously. And she’s a unique looking kid. She, the subschool AP and I talk again. I assure them that’s my DD and they still don’t believe me (or probably think I’m a friend and not the mom) And…. It turns out that the first week of school she changed math classes. Old teacher never formally removed her from the class roster. Sub came. The class insisted DD no longer attended this class and was next door with that teacher. Sub assumed they were lying… and marked her absent.

Then there was the time I was called and it turns out she had been excused for a rehearsal for an orchestra performance. That also took 45 minutes to clear up.

None of this made me think my kid was “safe and secure”.

Since they are incapable of keeping track of 3000 kids despite seeing that the kid is physically in front of them, maybe this will help. At least they haven’t lost her this year. Yet.

Really, would be glad to avoid this type of inanity eating up 45 minutes of my day.

I like that, whether it is used or not, the software should have the ability to flag that Janice and John, who have different schedules, cut class at a different time each day to hook up under the stairs. And despite their being 10 teachers involved in a given week someone can be alerted to an issue, and that issue can be easily dealt with. No passes for John while Janice is out of class.

What if John has diarrhea?

I guess John and his classmates will regret his poor decision making over the prior week. Natural consequences are best practice discipline for teens, or so parenting experts claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parent who generally bugged that it is nearly impossible to get from one end of Chantilly to the other and impossible to do so and pee. And feels it’s a problem this may or may not solve. But, I do expect Chantilly to have a general clue where my kid is at any given point and they have 3000 kids in that school.

And I have had the school lose my kid. More than once. As in, attendance calls and says she isn’t there. I check and her phone is. I ask attendance to please find her. They tell me one of her friends must have taken her phone to school while she played hooky and she’s unexcused absent. I text DD who gets permission to take a picture of the clock in the classroom (small AP class) and text it to me. That teacher is now interested in the fact they think she’s absent, and gets involved. The school still insists she’s gone but after it’s escalated to the AP, agrees to mark her “absence” excused. Kid leaves class and reports to the subschool to prove she is present, not absent. They accuse her of not being herself. Seriously. And she’s a unique looking kid. She, the subschool AP and I talk again. I assure them that’s my DD and they still don’t believe me (or probably think I’m a friend and not the mom) And…. It turns out that the first week of school she changed math classes. Old teacher never formally removed her from the class roster. Sub came. The class insisted DD no longer attended this class and was next door with that teacher. Sub assumed they were lying… and marked her absent.

Then there was the time I was called and it turns out she had been excused for a rehearsal for an orchestra performance. That also took 45 minutes to clear up.

Teachers can't remove students from rosters. Only the counselors can. And there are a lot of suspicious shenanigans going on with attendance: now that HS are cracking down on unexcused absences, some students are being excused absent at an alarmingly high rate. There's really no way for an office staffer to know who is who in schools that are this large.

If students are excused for field trips, somebody in the office needs to mark them excused ahead of time. It's just not possible for teachers to keep track of 140 students' individual schedules with all the other things we have to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a student’s basic right to use bathroom when they need to. FCPS should not limit, control, and harm all of the good student’s rights just because there are some students that abuse this right. All too often, the good are punished because of the bad. Let’s not let that happen here. Just return it back to the way it was before.

Before when? When sinks were getting ripped out of bathroom walls and posted on TikTok? You need a more balanced views of what public schools and teachers (and students!) are dealing with.

Never mind the sinks. They were organizing fight clubs in the bathrooms and coming out with injuries and denying the whole thing because of the number one rule of fight club. That's when police didn't have to be called to get them out of the stalls they'd gone into...more than one person at a time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a student’s basic right to use bathroom when they need to. FCPS should not limit, control, and harm all of the good student’s rights just because there are some students that abuse this right. All too often, the good are punished because of the bad. Let’s not let that happen here. Just return it back to the way it was before.

Before when? When sinks were getting ripped out of bathroom walls and posted on TikTok? You need a more balanced views of what public schools and teachers (and students!) are dealing with.

Never mind the sinks. They were organizing fight clubs in the bathrooms and coming out with injuries and denying the whole thing because of the number one rule of fight club. That's when police didn't have to be called to get them out of the stalls they'd gone into...more than one person at a time.

+1. The sinks were a passing trend. The fight clubs and vaping sessions are a much bigger problem.

[Anonymous]

“You need to fix the learning loss! Also, don’t prevent my kid from using his cell phone in class and don’t stop him from going to the bathroom for 72 minutes and why does he have a failing grade?”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible to
Limit the pass asking to the first 10 minutes of class?
If I don’t sign the digital consent will my child be opted out?

Not sure about the ePass, but several online software/apps are not included in the consent form - because FCPS has already approved them for you.

I thought that the apps not included in the digital consent fodm must abide by FERPA.

It does not appear that a tracking app that identifies minor students bathroom habits is covered by FERPA.

Does anyone with a better understanding want to chime in?

Not sure if this helps -- The fifth question listed under FAQs on the LBSS webpage on e-Hall Pass states that the e-Hall Pass uses PII, as defined by FERPA, via the Google Login. Because the data stored by e-Hall Pass contains PII, Eduspires Solutions signed a Data Protection Agreement (DPA) to cover FCPS’s FERPA responsibility. That's why parent permission is not required.

https://lakebraddockss.fcps.edu/about/policies-and-procedures/e-hall-pass

Thanks! So Lake Braddock uses it, does Irving? Is there a place we can find out which schools use this?

Irving is using it. I think it's brand new. I can see the benefits from the point of view of controlling behavior. Admin can see if there are patterns of certain kids taking passes at the same time (like to meet in the bathrooms for drug use/selling/causing trouble). But I also see the drawbacks for teachers having to disrupt their teaching to approve passes when it would be easier for a kid to just pick up a paper pass.