Teacher made each kid state their pronouns

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My child is gender Nonconforming and would feel uncomfortable answering this question in front of a group because they are unsure at this point.

its not just parents of cis gendered kids that would have a concern about this.

Yep. My child has anxiety and the whole pronoun thing causes him a lot of worry. (We’re working on it but he seems to think one can suddenly wake up with a changed gender against their will and he thinks it’s scary.) I agree that anxiety shouldn’t in general be accomodated but it’s a bit absurd to cause anxiety by this stuff that is supposedly inclusive. I chalk it up to age inappropriateness. Not sure where teachers got the idea to treat elementary school students like teenagers.

How old is your child? If your child is much older than about 6, I would be concerned about them because this isn’t rational.

I mean no, it’s not rational. But suddenly telling children that a boy can actually be a girl even though they have all the boy anatomy and were a boy since Kindergarten is not really rational either. I was surprised when my DS (10) said that too, but he is basically just really confused. Most *adults* are confused by it.

Most adults don’t think you can have your gender change spontaneously against your will. You are seriously misinformed about these issues, and appear to be spreading your ignorance to your child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what to do with some of these comments, so I'm just going to drop a resource guide here from GLSEN, which is a well-regarded advocacy group for LGBTQ students:
https://www.glsen.org/activity/model-local-education-agency-policy-on-transgender-nonbinary-students

In particular, I'll drop this line: "Pronouns should never be assumed for any student. Educators and staff should ask all students what pronouns they use, and have a place to document that information in class rosters, databases, etc."

I'm not sure how to interpret the comments that asking for pronouns is bad for gender-questioning or gender non-conforming children. I just did a quick review through materials from the National Center for Transgender Equality, Human Rights Campaign, and GLSEN, and I'm not seeing that reflected in any of the policy or advocacy recommendations. I think it's reasonable for educators to follow the current recommendations from trusted sources in this field.

I also don't understand the comments about "too young". My kids are entering second grade and know about pronouns because we're a queer family with friends and family members that are all over the gender spectrum. This is a totally normal part of our lives. It's only weird if you make it weird.

The only people who don’t want the question asked are parents who are ashamed of their kids and don’t want others knowing their kid is trans, gender nonconforming, etc.

Nobody wants their child to be forced to answer something that makes them uncomfortable.

So if your child is asked the answer to a math question and they feel uncomfortable answering, they shouldn’t have to? By your logic, no one should ever be required to take a test, write a paper or do homework.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what to do with some of these comments, so I'm just going to drop a resource guide here from GLSEN, which is a well-regarded advocacy group for LGBTQ students:
https://www.glsen.org/activity/model-local-education-agency-policy-on-transgender-nonbinary-students

In particular, I'll drop this line: "Pronouns should never be assumed for any student. Educators and staff should ask all students what pronouns they use, and have a place to document that information in class rosters, databases, etc."

I'm not sure how to interpret the comments that asking for pronouns is bad for gender-questioning or gender non-conforming children. I just did a quick review through materials from the National Center for Transgender Equality, Human Rights Campaign, and GLSEN, and I'm not seeing that reflected in any of the policy or advocacy recommendations. I think it's reasonable for educators to follow the current recommendations from trusted sources in this field.

I also don't understand the comments about "too young". My kids are entering second grade and know about pronouns because we're a queer family with friends and family members that are all over the gender spectrum. This is a totally normal part of our lives. It's only weird if you make it weird.

The only people who don’t want the question asked are parents who are ashamed of their kids and don’t want others knowing their kid is trans, gender nonconforming, etc.

Nobody wants their child to be forced to answer something that makes them uncomfortable.

So if your child is asked the answer to a math question and they feel uncomfortable answering, they shouldn’t have to? By your logic, no one should ever be required to take a test, write a paper or do homework.

Dumb comparison, but no they don’t have to answer. Ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That teacher should be fired

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have already told my child to say “isn’t it obvious?” And just let the school call me. I am prepared to fight this battle. It is fine if the teacher says “if anyone wants to state their pronouns, please stand up and let the class know what pronouns by which you would like to be addressed.” But to make my child state their pronouns is just bending to this overly sensitive societal pressure.

This will get your kid mocked so hard that I hurt for them already. Saying "he/him" (or whatever) in a snotty bored voice would actually be better socially.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what to do with some of these comments, so I'm just going to drop a resource guide here from GLSEN, which is a well-regarded advocacy group for LGBTQ students:
https://www.glsen.org/activity/model-local-education-agency-policy-on-transgender-nonbinary-students

In particular, I'll drop this line: "Pronouns should never be assumed for any student. Educators and staff should ask all students what pronouns they use, and have a place to document that information in class rosters, databases, etc."

I'm not sure how to interpret the comments that asking for pronouns is bad for gender-questioning or gender non-conforming children. I just did a quick review through materials from the National Center for Transgender Equality, Human Rights Campaign, and GLSEN, and I'm not seeing that reflected in any of the policy or advocacy recommendations. I think it's reasonable for educators to follow the current recommendations from trusted sources in this field.

I also don't understand the comments about "too young". My kids are entering second grade and know about pronouns because we're a queer family with friends and family members that are all over the gender spectrum. This is a totally normal part of our lives. It's only weird if you make it weird.

The only people who don’t want the question asked are parents who are ashamed of their kids and don’t want others knowing their kid is trans, gender nonconforming, etc.

Nobody wants their child to be forced to answer something that makes them uncomfortable.

So if your child is asked the answer to a math question and they feel uncomfortable answering, they shouldn’t have to? By your logic, no one should ever be required to take a test, write a paper or do homework.

Dumb comparison, but no they don’t have to answer. Ever.

Okay, so your position is that a child who refuses to do any work in school ever should be allowed to graduate? Do they get straight As too because no one is allowed to penalize them for not participating?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what to do with some of these comments, so I'm just going to drop a resource guide here from GLSEN, which is a well-regarded advocacy group for LGBTQ students:
https://www.glsen.org/activity/model-local-education-agency-policy-on-transgender-nonbinary-students

In particular, I'll drop this line: "Pronouns should never be assumed for any student. Educators and staff should ask all students what pronouns they use, and have a place to document that information in class rosters, databases, etc."

I'm not sure how to interpret the comments that asking for pronouns is bad for gender-questioning or gender non-conforming children. I just did a quick review through materials from the National Center for Transgender Equality, Human Rights Campaign, and GLSEN, and I'm not seeing that reflected in any of the policy or advocacy recommendations. I think it's reasonable for educators to follow the current recommendations from trusted sources in this field.

I also don't understand the comments about "too young". My kids are entering second grade and know about pronouns because we're a queer family with friends and family members that are all over the gender spectrum. This is a totally normal part of our lives. It's only weird if you make it weird.

The only people who don’t want the question asked are parents who are ashamed of their kids and don’t want others knowing their kid is trans, gender nonconforming, etc.

Nobody wants their child to be forced to answer something that makes them uncomfortable.

So if your child is asked the answer to a math question and they feel uncomfortable answering, they shouldn’t have to? By your logic, no one should ever be required to take a test, write a paper or do homework.

Dp but no. You're the one using illogical arguments to try to win an anonymous discussion. The pp you are responding to was clearly referring to personal information which has no place in a public, academic setting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My child is gender Nonconforming and would feel uncomfortable answering this question in front of a group because they are unsure at this point.

its not just parents of cis gendered kids that would have a concern about this.

Yeah, I don't love mandatory pronoun announcements for just this reason. Not everyone is sure, or wants to say, or has decided to come out. Better would just be to make it optional, or just otherwise foster an environment where a kid feels comfortable telling a teacher to use certain pronouns, instead of putting kids on the spot.

But this isn't making someone who isn't ready come out as anything. It's not even about sexuality. I don't understand people who act as though a pronoun is private information. "Sharing pronouns" literally means - this is how I'd like for you (people other than the speaker) to refer to me. If you aren't ready to come out, then share the other pronoun. It's like sharing a nickname or sharing that you prefer to be called by your full name instead of a nickname: "Please call me "x." Please refer to me as "[pronoun]." People read way too much into it, IMO. It doesn't have to be that deep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is gender Nonconforming and would feel uncomfortable answering this question in front of a group because they are unsure at this point.

its not just parents of cis gendered kids that would have a concern about this.

Yep. My child has anxiety and the whole pronoun thing causes him a lot of worry. (We’re working on it but he seems to think one can suddenly wake up with a changed gender against their will and he thinks it’s scary.) I agree that anxiety shouldn’t in general be accomodated but it’s a bit absurd to cause anxiety by this stuff that is supposedly inclusive. I chalk it up to age inappropriateness. Not sure where teachers got the idea to treat elementary school students like teenagers.

How old is your child? If your child is much older than about 6, I would be concerned about them because this isn’t rational.

I mean no, it’s not rational. But suddenly telling children that a boy can actually be a girl even though they have all the boy anatomy and were a boy since Kindergarten is not really rational either. I was surprised when my DS (10) said that too, but he is basically just really confused. Most *adults* are confused by it.

Most adults don’t think you can have your gender change spontaneously against your will. You are seriously misinformed about these issues, and appear to be spreading your ignorance to your child.

Calm the f down. Obviously I explained to him that it doesn’t happen like that. But honestly when you read the narratives about trans identity there really is no coherent explanation for how it happens. Which is why he (in his child mind) conceived of it as a sort of outside force or physical process that could suddenly happen overnight. And it made him anxious. So I explained as best I could that it would not happen like that and he was not transgender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what to do with some of these comments, so I'm just going to drop a resource guide here from GLSEN, which is a well-regarded advocacy group for LGBTQ students:
https://www.glsen.org/activity/model-local-education-agency-policy-on-transgender-nonbinary-students

In particular, I'll drop this line: "Pronouns should never be assumed for any student. Educators and staff should ask all students what pronouns they use, and have a place to document that information in class rosters, databases, etc."

I'm not sure how to interpret the comments that asking for pronouns is bad for gender-questioning or gender non-conforming children. I just did a quick review through materials from the National Center for Transgender Equality, Human Rights Campaign, and GLSEN, and I'm not seeing that reflected in any of the policy or advocacy recommendations. I think it's reasonable for educators to follow the current recommendations from trusted sources in this field.

I also don't understand the comments about "too young". My kids are entering second grade and know about pronouns because we're a queer family with friends and family members that are all over the gender spectrum. This is a totally normal part of our lives. It's only weird if you make it weird.

The only people who don’t want the question asked are parents who are ashamed of their kids and don’t want others knowing their kid is trans, gender nonconforming, etc.

Nobody wants their child to be forced to answer something that makes them uncomfortable.

So if your child is asked the answer to a math question and they feel uncomfortable answering, they shouldn’t have to? By your logic, no one should ever be required to take a test, write a paper or do homework.

A math question has no political or private content. Imagine if children were all forced to state their religion.

[Anonymous]

Your kid hit the jackpot because that sounds like an amazing teacher!

[Anonymous]

If the teacher is this woke, they should just use gender neutral pronouns and problem solved.

There is really no reason to ask children to disclose their gender identity. Is this teacher going to next ask them to disclose their ethnic origins?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is gender Nonconforming and would feel uncomfortable answering this question in front of a group because they are unsure at this point.

its not just parents of cis gendered kids that would have a concern about this.

Yeah, I don't love mandatory pronoun announcements for just this reason. Not everyone is sure, or wants to say, or has decided to come out. Better would just be to make it optional, or just otherwise foster an environment where a kid feels comfortable telling a teacher to use certain pronouns, instead of putting kids on the spot.

But this isn't making someone who isn't ready come out as anything. It's not even about sexuality. I don't understand people who act as though a pronoun is private information. "Sharing pronouns" literally means - this is how I'd like for you (people other than the speaker) to refer to me. If you aren't ready to come out, then share the other pronoun. It's like sharing a nickname or sharing that you prefer to be called by your full name instead of a nickname: "Please call me "x." Please refer to me as "[pronoun]." People read way too much into it, IMO. It doesn't have to be that deep.

If it’s not that deep, then don’t do it. And elementary school students (and probably everyone) relate gender to sexuality. They are connected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what to do with some of these comments, so I'm just going to drop a resource guide here from GLSEN, which is a well-regarded advocacy group for LGBTQ students:
https://www.glsen.org/activity/model-local-education-agency-policy-on-transgender-nonbinary-students

In particular, I'll drop this line: "Pronouns should never be assumed for any student. Educators and staff should ask all students what pronouns they use, and have a place to document that information in class rosters, databases, etc."

I'm not sure how to interpret the comments that asking for pronouns is bad for gender-questioning or gender non-conforming children. I just did a quick review through materials from the National Center for Transgender Equality, Human Rights Campaign, and GLSEN, and I'm not seeing that reflected in any of the policy or advocacy recommendations. I think it's reasonable for educators to follow the current recommendations from trusted sources in this field.

I also don't understand the comments about "too young". My kids are entering second grade and know about pronouns because we're a queer family with friends and family members that are all over the gender spectrum. This is a totally normal part of our lives. It's only weird if you make it weird.

The only people who don’t want the question asked are parents who are ashamed of their kids and don’t want others knowing their kid is trans, gender nonconforming, etc.

Nobody wants their child to be forced to answer something that makes them uncomfortable.

So if your child is asked the answer to a math question and they feel uncomfortable answering, they shouldn’t have to? By your logic, no one should ever be required to take a test, write a paper or do homework.

A math question has no political or private content. Imagine if children were all forced to state their religion.

Your kid is going to be referred to with pronouns. All this does is asked what pronouns they want people to use. A student who is questioning or who realizes they are trans/nonconforming but who doesn’t want to come out yet doesn’t have to share that in response to this question. They can simply offer the pronouns they have been using to that point, which doesn’t signal anything about what might be going on inside.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the teacher is this woke, they should just use gender neutral pronouns and problem solved.

There is really no reason to ask children to disclose their gender identity. Is this teacher going to next ask them to disclose their ethnic origins?

exactly. I see in this gender confession trend a real anxiety about gender roles and a desire to make sure everyone is in a box. it’s ironic.