Dear Parents

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Anonymous wrote:I used to think that MCPS parents were the worst, but I see that I just haven't been paying enough attention to FCPS parents. This thread is full of some of the most entitled, arrogant parents I've seen in a long time. And you wonder why teachers are leaving the profession and that some of you are complaining about having subs, long-term subs and random school staff babysitting your children and not teaching them. Well, congratulations, you've shown that your children are paying the price for your arrogance and entitlement. Don't be surprised if more teachers leave and some leave mid-year from some of you and your children end up with more untrained subs and school staff babysitting your children instead of teaching them.

Only an arrogant and entitled person would view parents wanting teachers to do their job and GRADE THE KIDS' WORK in a timely manner is arrogant or entitled. LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to think that MCPS parents were the worst, but I see that I just haven't been paying enough attention to FCPS parents. This thread is full of some of the most entitled, arrogant parents I've seen in a long time. And you wonder why teachers are leaving the profession and that some of you are complaining about having subs, long-term subs and random school staff babysitting your children and not teaching them. Well, congratulations, you've shown that your children are paying the price for your arrogance and entitlement. Don't be surprised if more teachers leave and some leave mid-year from some of you and your children end up with more untrained subs and school staff babysitting your children instead of teaching them.

Only an arrogant and entitled person would view parents wanting teachers to do their job and GRADE THE KIDS' WORK in a timely manner is arrogant or entitled. LOL.

DP: Being insensitive to how the pandemic and now the teaching shortage may be impacting workload is arrogant and entitled. You are not their boss so you don't get to decide what is "timely" in their situation. Moreover, it's dumb--you know who can grade real quick? A long term sub who hands out worksheets with answer keys already there. Maybe you'll get to be moved to their class and you'll be happy.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid was in 3rd grade last year and I never saw a grade all year. I guess she was doing online tests but I couldn't see the results. And nothing got posted in Schoology. So I just had to rely on the iReady results to make sure she was staying on grade level. Her report card was all 3s and 4s with canned comments at the end.

I understand that teachers are busy, but it's pretty unsettling as a parent if you don't really have any insight into how your child is doing and what, if anything, they might need help on.

If you log in to your child's account (their id number and password, which they should be able to tell you) you can see all their tests and graded work. It is in their account on Schoology.

I'm the PP. It wasn't. The teacher didn't use Schoology. I checked throughout the year and it was empty. I checked the parent and kid account. Nothing.

Did you check Horizon?

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Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

The right?

The RIGHT?

Tell me, where is this right enshrined?

No. Just, no.

Right to information and participation
Parents have the legal right, via the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA, 1974), to inspect their child’s educational records at the school, to have them explained if necessary, to request updates and corrections, and to have their child’s education records sent to another school in a timely manner if they wish to have their child transfer schools.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/the-greatschools-bill-of-education-rights-for-public-school-parents/

Their educational records referred to in this law DO NOT include their latest math test.

Of course they do. If I want to schedule a meeting the day after the test to review the results that’s my right.

If I had a parent do that I would grade it in front of them during the meeting, take a picture on my phone, log attachments of the test in contact log and send in an email, hand them the test and enter the grade later when I entered all of the others. All of this would probably take the entire meeting not allowing for much discussion. Meeting would be backed up to a class I have to leave to teach because I can only meet during contract hours. Oh that means you are taking leave from your job to attend as well. Enjoy!

Meh, I can flex at my job so no time off work. I'd be fine with your approach so long as appropriate feedback is also given, as needed. If not, be prepared for further meetings or my going above your head. Enjoy!

Wow, you are so scary and important! Haha. Do you think anyone is going to fire a teacher this year? Frankly many districts would hire a volleyball with a smiley face drawn on it at this point.

All this faux-swaggering around "I'm drawing a hard line here." You don't understand the law at all around your rights. You have zero rights to insist something be graded faster. Your pompous buffoonery would be hilarious except you're undermining all our kids' education. Teachers, I'm sorry you have to deal with these parents and I encourage you to cc your admin on any email you perceive to be harassing or bullying you. Let parents like this "flex" their flex time all they want--I believe the vast majority of parents feel like me--we know how hard you're working given the teaching shortages, the large class sizes, the needing to support the new teachers hired under the resident program. We appreciate it when you grade in a timely way--but understand it's not always going to happen given the circumstances.

I generally agree with this, and especially the phrase pompous buffoonery, which I'm stealing. That said, let's not overlook that failure to grade on time can be a serious problem, and prevents some students who need help form getting it. My kid had multiple classes (in a neighboring school system) where assignments weren't graded for 3+ weeks. That is, quite frankly, unacceptable, particularly in classes that build on prior work. So while the parents need to chill, and accept that teachers are busy, I think we can all agree that numerous prolonged delays really aren't OK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

haha not the OP but this should age well.

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Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

The right?

The RIGHT?

Tell me, where is this right enshrined?

No. Just, no.

Right to information and participation
Parents have the legal right, via the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA, 1974), to inspect their child’s educational records at the school, to have them explained if necessary, to request updates and corrections, and to have their child’s education records sent to another school in a timely manner if they wish to have their child transfer schools.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/the-greatschools-bill-of-education-rights-for-public-school-parents/

Their educational records referred to in this law DO NOT include their latest math test.

Of course they do. If I want to schedule a meeting the day after the test to review the results that’s my right.

If I had a parent do that I would grade it in front of them during the meeting, take a picture on my phone, log attachments of the test in contact log and send in an email, hand them the test and enter the grade later when I entered all of the others. All of this would probably take the entire meeting not allowing for much discussion. Meeting would be backed up to a class I have to leave to teach because I can only meet during contract hours. Oh that means you are taking leave from your job to attend as well. Enjoy!

Meh, I can flex at my job so no time off work. I'd be fine with your approach so long as appropriate feedback is also given, as needed. If not, be prepared for further meetings or my going above your head. Enjoy!

Wow, you are so scary and important! Haha. Do you think anyone is going to fire a teacher this year? Frankly many districts would hire a volleyball with a smiley face drawn on it at this point.

I'm not scary or important, actually. But I know how to advocate for my child. Sorry that scares you so much. As far as firing a teacher, that would certainly not be my concern. That's up to the teacher not doing their job. And whether or not that will happen, I guess we'll find out how strategies like the teacher in this thread end up.

Yeah, no one is scared of you and your advocacy skills. :roll:

[Anonymous]

All parent meetings do is delay my grading by another hour.

I’m giving multiple choice tests in my math classes this year. (SAT style questions, where you can’t just plug in answers). Boom, graded in 5 minutes. No time for more than that. I’m barely keeping my head above water with meetings and planning.

[Anonymous]

If anyone is confused to why the teacher shortage gets worse every year...this thread tells a lot. Also FCPS has not lightened the load to let teachers teach and focus on students....lots of training, meetings, and paperwork fill the day. Don't like it....advocate for teachers! WE need smaller class size we need planning time to be untouched. WE need time to focus and teach students. STOP blaming the teachers.....let the school board know that we want our amazing teachers to be able to TEACH and GRADE and SUPPORT our kids. Teachers deserve to leave work at work just like the rest of you. No one is working after contract hours-teachers are done they want to go home and rest. Enough BS from entitled parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

The right?

The RIGHT?

Tell me, where is this right enshrined?

No. Just, no.

Right to information and participation
Parents have the legal right, via the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA, 1974), to inspect their child’s educational records at the school, to have them explained if necessary, to request updates and corrections, and to have their child’s education records sent to another school in a timely manner if they wish to have their child transfer schools.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/the-greatschools-bill-of-education-rights-for-public-school-parents/

Their educational records referred to in this law DO NOT include their latest math test.

Of course they do. If I want to schedule a meeting the day after the test to review the results that’s my right.

If I had a parent do that I would grade it in front of them during the meeting, take a picture on my phone, log attachments of the test in contact log and send in an email, hand them the test and enter the grade later when I entered all of the others. All of this would probably take the entire meeting not allowing for much discussion. Meeting would be backed up to a class I have to leave to teach because I can only meet during contract hours. Oh that means you are taking leave from your job to attend as well. Enjoy!

Meh, I can flex at my job so no time off work. I'd be fine with your approach so long as appropriate feedback is also given, as needed. If not, be prepared for further meetings or my going above your head. Enjoy!

Wow, you are so scary and important! Haha. Do you think anyone is going to fire a teacher this year? Frankly many districts would hire a volleyball with a smiley face drawn on it at this point.

All this faux-swaggering around "I'm drawing a hard line here." You don't understand the law at all around your rights. You have zero rights to insist something be graded faster. Your pompous buffoonery would be hilarious except you're undermining all our kids' education. Teachers, I'm sorry you have to deal with these parents and I encourage you to cc your admin on any email you perceive to be harassing or bullying you. Let parents like this "flex" their flex time all they want--I believe the vast majority of parents feel like me--we know how hard you're working given the teaching shortages, the large class sizes, the needing to support the new teachers hired under the resident program. We appreciate it when you grade in a timely way--but understand it's not always going to happen given the circumstances.

Exactly, it’s all guidelines and best practice. There is no law forcing me to grade anything on your timeline.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. Sorry. Teachers who can’t grade in the time frame required by the district need to figure it out. That’s crucial feedback for learning and not providing it is negligent.

I'm a very hard line on this as well.
Grade on time or you will be hearing from me.

-This is a recipe for teachers not giving many real assignments or meaningful feedback. It's easy to give crap that makes it easy to grade crap. Be careful what you wish for. Do you really want English and social studies teachers to grade on multiple choice or single correct answers rather than the the kinds of writing that prepares kids for college? For math teachers not to look at work just the answers? The teachers who get the work graded right away are sometimes super-organized people with relatively easier schedules but a lot of time they have cut corners that cost our kids in the long run. I am a parent that appreciates the teachers in FCPS who give my kids real work that prepares them and then take the time to do the real work of giving feedback. Your 'hard line' on grading is undermining quality education in my opinion.

All the quality educators quit when they were forced to be online, masked, jabbed, or underpaid.

You are nuts. The resignations happened the year after that and the teachers overwhelmingly wanted vaccination. Pay actually isn't a huge part of it. You are crafting a biased narrative with no data.

You’re correct. I didn’t hear of any teachers who quit because of the “jab”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If anyone is confused to why the teacher shortage gets worse every year...this thread tells a lot. Also FCPS has not lightened the load to let teachers teach and focus on students....lots of training, meetings, and paperwork fill the day. Don't like it....advocate for teachers! WE need smaller class size we need planning time to be untouched. WE need time to focus and teach students. STOP blaming the teachers.....let the school board know that we want our amazing teachers to be able to TEACH and GRADE and SUPPORT our kids. Teachers deserve to leave work at work just like the rest of you. No one is working after contract hours-teachers are done they want to go home and rest. Enough BS from entitled parents.

As to the bolded . . . hahahahahahahaha. This issue isn't that teachers are expected to work more than others, it's that teachers somehow think that they are the only ones who aren't. Some teachers complaint that they aren't treated like professionals, but then insist, per the comment above, on acting like that are clock-punching blue collar workers. Pick one.

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Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

The right?

The RIGHT?

Tell me, where is this right enshrined?

No. Just, no.

Right to information and participation
Parents have the legal right, via the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA, 1974), to inspect their child’s educational records at the school, to have them explained if necessary, to request updates and corrections, and to have their child’s education records sent to another school in a timely manner if they wish to have their child transfer schools.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/the-greatschools-bill-of-education-rights-for-public-school-parents/

Their educational records referred to in this law DO NOT include their latest math test.

Of course they do. If I want to schedule a meeting the day after the test to review the results that’s my right.

If I had a parent do that I would grade it in front of them during the meeting, take a picture on my phone, log attachments of the test in contact log and send in an email, hand them the test and enter the grade later when I entered all of the others. All of this would probably take the entire meeting not allowing for much discussion. Meeting would be backed up to a class I have to leave to teach because I can only meet during contract hours. Oh that means you are taking leave from your job to attend as well. Enjoy!

Meh, I can flex at my job so no time off work. I'd be fine with your approach so long as appropriate feedback is also given, as needed. If not, be prepared for further meetings or my going above your head. Enjoy!

Wow, you are so scary and important! Haha. Do you think anyone is going to fire a teacher this year? Frankly many districts would hire a volleyball with a smiley face drawn on it at this point.

I'm not scary or important, actually. But I know how to advocate for my child. Sorry that scares you so much. As far as firing a teacher, that would certainly not be my concern. That's up to the teacher not doing their job. And whether or not that will happen, I guess we'll find out how strategies like the teacher in this thread end up.

Yeah, no one is scared of you and your advocacy skills. :roll:

Exactly! First I ignore for a few days and then I forward to admin for them to answer. I don’t get involved after that.

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Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

The right?

The RIGHT?

Tell me, where is this right enshrined?

No. Just, no.

Right to information and participation
Parents have the legal right, via the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA, 1974), to inspect their child’s educational records at the school, to have them explained if necessary, to request updates and corrections, and to have their child’s education records sent to another school in a timely manner if they wish to have their child transfer schools.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/the-greatschools-bill-of-education-rights-for-public-school-parents/

Their educational records referred to in this law DO NOT include their latest math test.

Of course they do. If I want to schedule a meeting the day after the test to review the results that’s my right.

If I had a parent do that I would grade it in front of them during the meeting, take a picture on my phone, log attachments of the test in contact log and send in an email, hand them the test and enter the grade later when I entered all of the others. All of this would probably take the entire meeting not allowing for much discussion. Meeting would be backed up to a class I have to leave to teach because I can only meet during contract hours. Oh that means you are taking leave from your job to attend as well. Enjoy!

Meh, I can flex at my job so no time off work. I'd be fine with your approach so long as appropriate feedback is also given, as needed. If not, be prepared for further meetings or my going above your head. Enjoy!

Wow, you are so scary and important! Haha. Do you think anyone is going to fire a teacher this year? Frankly many districts would hire a volleyball with a smiley face drawn on it at this point.

I'm not scary or important, actually. But I know how to advocate for my child. Sorry that scares you so much. As far as firing a teacher, that would certainly not be my concern. That's up to the teacher not doing their job. And whether or not that will happen, I guess we'll find out how strategies like the teacher in this thread end up.

I agree that you don’t need to worry about teachers getting fired - no teacher is getting fired this year based on lack of grading. NOT. ONE.

[Anonymous]

I'm glad to see this thread drawing attention to the problem of slow grading. I know no teachers are getting fired for it, but parents are certainly justifying in airing their frustrations and concerns because lack of feedback is a huge hindrance to learning and getting interventions should a child need help. The consequences can be huge and last for years. I know because it happened with my son.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad to see this thread drawing attention to the problem of slow grading. I know no teachers are getting fired for it, but parents are certainly justifying in airing their frustrations and concerns because lack of feedback is a huge hindrance to learning and getting interventions should a child need help. The consequences can be huge and last for years. I know because it happened with my son.

FCPS administers SO many assessments of kids to determine if they need help (iReady, DRA, SoLs, Reading inventory, Math Inventory, assorted ecarts, etc). Teachers' timing of grading class assignments isn't the issue around getting children who need help help.