Dear Parents

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

The right?

The RIGHT?

Tell me, where is this right enshrined?

No. Just, no.

Right to information and participation
Parents have the legal right, via the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA, 1974), to inspect their child’s educational records at the school, to have them explained if necessary, to request updates and corrections, and to have their child’s education records sent to another school in a timely manner if they wish to have their child transfer schools.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/the-greatschools-bill-of-education-rights-for-public-school-parents/

Their educational records referred to in this law DO NOT include their latest math test.

Of course they do. If I want to schedule a meeting the day after the test to review the results that’s my right.

If I had a parent do that I would grade it in front of them during the meeting, take a picture on my phone, log attachments of the test in contact log and send in an email, hand them the test and enter the grade later when I entered all of the others. All of this would probably take the entire meeting not allowing for much discussion. Meeting would be backed up to a class I have to leave to teach because I can only meet during contract hours. Oh that means you are taking leave from your job to attend as well. Enjoy!

Meh, I can flex at my job so no time off work. I'd be fine with your approach so long as appropriate feedback is also given, as needed. If not, be prepared for further meetings or my going above your head. Enjoy!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid was in 3rd grade last year and I never saw a grade all year. I guess she was doing online tests but I couldn't see the results. And nothing got posted in Schoology. So I just had to rely on the iReady results to make sure she was staying on grade level. Her report card was all 3s and 4s with canned comments at the end.

I understand that teachers are busy, but it's pretty unsettling as a parent if you don't really have any insight into how your child is doing and what, if anything, they might need help on.

I'm a parent. Isn't that what parent teacher conferences are for? I schedule one each quarter to discuss insights and look at scores that might need looking at. Worksheets come home in weekly folders.

What more do you want? I'm honestly confused, this is all 10x more than my parents got as a kid, when we got 1 report card at the semester and 1 at the end of the year and that was it.

"Worksheets come home in weekly folders." That has not been our experience post-covid. We had few if any pieces of paper come home all year long last year/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid was in 3rd grade last year and I never saw a grade all year. I guess she was doing online tests but I couldn't see the results. And nothing got posted in Schoology. So I just had to rely on the iReady results to make sure she was staying on grade level. Her report card was all 3s and 4s with canned comments at the end.

I understand that teachers are busy, but it's pretty unsettling as a parent if you don't really have any insight into how your child is doing and what, if anything, they might need help on.

If you log in to your child's account (their id number and password, which they should be able to tell you) you can see all their tests and graded work. It is in their account on Schoology.

When its all just multiple choice horizon tests and nothing is corrected, how is that helpful?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

The right?

The RIGHT?

Tell me, where is this right enshrined?

No. Just, no.

Right to information and participation
Parents have the legal right, via the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA, 1974), to inspect their child’s educational records at the school, to have them explained if necessary, to request updates and corrections, and to have their child’s education records sent to another school in a timely manner if they wish to have their child transfer schools.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/the-greatschools-bill-of-education-rights-for-public-school-parents/

Their educational records referred to in this law DO NOT include their latest math test.

Of course they do. If I want to schedule a meeting the day after the test to review the results that’s my right.

If I had a parent do that I would grade it in front of them during the meeting, take a picture on my phone, log attachments of the test in contact log and send in an email, hand them the test and enter the grade later when I entered all of the others. All of this would probably take the entire meeting not allowing for much discussion. Meeting would be backed up to a class I have to leave to teach because I can only meet during contract hours. Oh that means you are taking leave from your job to attend as well. Enjoy!

I get that you're being snarky, but that actually is probably fine for the parents who aren't getting their kids' work graded. Forcing hte meeting forced you to grade the assignment - mission accomplished!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

The right?

The RIGHT?

Tell me, where is this right enshrined?

No. Just, no.

Right to information and participation
Parents have the legal right, via the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA, 1974), to inspect their child’s educational records at the school, to have them explained if necessary, to request updates and corrections, and to have their child’s education records sent to another school in a timely manner if they wish to have their child transfer schools.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/the-greatschools-bill-of-education-rights-for-public-school-parents/

Their educational records referred to in this law DO NOT include their latest math test.

Of course they do. If I want to schedule a meeting the day after the test to review the results that’s my right.

If I had a parent do that I would grade it in front of them during the meeting, take a picture on my phone, log attachments of the test in contact log and send in an email, hand them the test and enter the grade later when I entered all of the others. All of this would probably take the entire meeting not allowing for much discussion. Meeting would be backed up to a class I have to leave to teach because I can only meet during contract hours. Oh that means you are taking leave from your job to attend as well. Enjoy!

This sounds fantastic! Sign me up!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. Sorry. Teachers who can’t grade in the time frame required by the district need to figure it out. That’s crucial feedback for learning and not providing it is negligent.

I'm a very hard line on this as well.
Grade on time or you will be hearing from me.

-This is a recipe for teachers not giving many real assignments or meaningful feedback. It's easy to give crap that makes it easy to grade crap. Be careful what you wish for. Do you really want English and social studies teachers to grade on multiple choice or single correct answers rather than the the kinds of writing that prepares kids for college? For math teachers not to look at work just the answers? The teachers who get the work graded right away are sometimes super-organized people with relatively easier schedules but a lot of time they have cut corners that cost our kids in the long run. I am a parent that appreciates the teachers in FCPS who give my kids real work that prepares them and then take the time to do the real work of giving feedback. Your 'hard line' on grading is undermining quality education in my opinion.

All the quality educators quit when they were forced to be online, masked, jabbed, or underpaid.

You are nuts. The resignations happened the year after that and the teachers overwhelmingly wanted vaccination. Pay actually isn't a huge part of it. You are crafting a biased narrative with no data.

PP is right, I can think of many teachers that left for one of those reasons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. Sorry. Teachers who can’t grade in the time frame required by the district need to figure it out. That’s crucial feedback for learning and not providing it is negligent.

I'm a very hard line on this as well.
Grade on time or you will be hearing from me.

-This is a recipe for teachers not giving many real assignments or meaningful feedback. It's easy to give crap that makes it easy to grade crap. Be careful what you wish for. Do you really want English and social studies teachers to grade on multiple choice or single correct answers rather than the the kinds of writing that prepares kids for college? For math teachers not to look at work just the answers? The teachers who get the work graded right away are sometimes super-organized people with relatively easier schedules but a lot of time they have cut corners that cost our kids in the long run. I am a parent that appreciates the teachers in FCPS who give my kids real work that prepares them and then take the time to do the real work of giving feedback. Your 'hard line' on grading is undermining quality education in my opinion.

All the quality educators quit when they were forced to be online, masked, jabbed, or underpaid.

You are nuts. The resignations happened the year after that and the teachers overwhelmingly wanted vaccination. Pay actually isn't a huge part of it. You are crafting a biased narrative with no data.

PP is right, I can think of many teachers that left for one of those reasons.

That is not accurate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

The right?

The RIGHT?

Tell me, where is this right enshrined?

No. Just, no.

Right to information and participation
Parents have the legal right, via the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA, 1974), to inspect their child’s educational records at the school, to have them explained if necessary, to request updates and corrections, and to have their child’s education records sent to another school in a timely manner if they wish to have their child transfer schools.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/the-greatschools-bill-of-education-rights-for-public-school-parents/

Their educational records referred to in this law DO NOT include their latest math test.

Of course they do. If I want to schedule a meeting the day after the test to review the results that’s my right.

If I had a parent do that I would grade it in front of them during the meeting, take a picture on my phone, log attachments of the test in contact log and send in an email, hand them the test and enter the grade later when I entered all of the others. All of this would probably take the entire meeting not allowing for much discussion. Meeting would be backed up to a class I have to leave to teach because I can only meet during contract hours. Oh that means you are taking leave from your job to attend as well. Enjoy!

Meh, I can flex at my job so no time off work. I'd be fine with your approach so long as appropriate feedback is also given, as needed. If not, be prepared for further meetings or my going above your head. Enjoy!

Wow, you are so scary and important! Haha. Do you think anyone is going to fire a teacher this year? Frankly many districts would hire a volleyball with a smiley face drawn on it at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

The right?

The RIGHT?

Tell me, where is this right enshrined?

No. Just, no.

Right to information and participation
Parents have the legal right, via the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA, 1974), to inspect their child’s educational records at the school, to have them explained if necessary, to request updates and corrections, and to have their child’s education records sent to another school in a timely manner if they wish to have their child transfer schools.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/the-greatschools-bill-of-education-rights-for-public-school-parents/

Their educational records referred to in this law DO NOT include their latest math test.

Of course they do. If I want to schedule a meeting the day after the test to review the results that’s my right.

NP. Do you mean the results as in your child's answers or the graded test? Because while the ungraded test is probably technically a record under that law (although arguably not under 20 U.S.C. 1232g(a)(4)(B)(i) if the teacher has started grading it but not returned or put it in the gradebook yet because then it is "records of instructional, . . . personnel . . . which are in the sole possession of the maker thereof and which are not accessible or revealed to any other person.") I don't see how requesting to review such records under that law requires the teacher to grade it any faster or slower. They just may be required to give/show you a copy of the ungraded test. Unless you think teachers are hoarding piles of graded assignments and just not handing them back to the students?

By all means if you think teachers are grading assignments too slow, then reach out to them, and if you and the teacher can't resolve it then go up the chain, not disagreeing there, but please stop pretending that scheduling a bunch of meetings based on educational record review laws is going to help any more than old fashioned complaining through letters or phone calls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

The right?

The RIGHT?

Tell me, where is this right enshrined?

No. Just, no.

Right to information and participation
Parents have the legal right, via the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA, 1974), to inspect their child’s educational records at the school, to have them explained if necessary, to request updates and corrections, and to have their child’s education records sent to another school in a timely manner if they wish to have their child transfer schools.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/the-greatschools-bill-of-education-rights-for-public-school-parents/

Their educational records referred to in this law DO NOT include their latest math test.

Of course they do. If I want to schedule a meeting the day after the test to review the results that’s my right.

If I had a parent do that I would grade it in front of them during the meeting, take a picture on my phone, log attachments of the test in contact log and send in an email, hand them the test and enter the grade later when I entered all of the others. All of this would probably take the entire meeting not allowing for much discussion. Meeting would be backed up to a class I have to leave to teach because I can only meet during contract hours. Oh that means you are taking leave from your job to attend as well. Enjoy!

Meh, I can flex at my job so no time off work. I'd be fine with your approach so long as appropriate feedback is also given, as needed. If not, be prepared for further meetings or my going above your head. Enjoy!

Wow, you are so scary and important! Haha. Do you think anyone is going to fire a teacher this year? Frankly many districts would hire a volleyball with a smiley face drawn on it at this point.

All this faux-swaggering around "I'm drawing a hard line here." You don't understand the law at all around your rights. You have zero rights to insist something be graded faster. Your pompous buffoonery would be hilarious except you're undermining all our kids' education. Teachers, I'm sorry you have to deal with these parents and I encourage you to cc your admin on any email you perceive to be harassing or bullying you. Let parents like this "flex" their flex time all they want--I believe the vast majority of parents feel like me--we know how hard you're working given the teaching shortages, the large class sizes, the needing to support the new teachers hired under the resident program. We appreciate it when you grade in a timely way--but understand it's not always going to happen given the circumstances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope. Sorry. Teachers who can’t grade in the time frame required by the district need to figure it out. That’s crucial feedback for learning and not providing it is negligent.

I'm a very hard line on this as well.
Grade on time or you will be hearing from me.

-This is a recipe for teachers not giving many real assignments or meaningful feedback. It's easy to give crap that makes it easy to grade crap. Be careful what you wish for. Do you really want English and social studies teachers to grade on multiple choice or single correct answers rather than the the kinds of writing that prepares kids for college? For math teachers not to look at work just the answers? The teachers who get the work graded right away are sometimes super-organized people with relatively easier schedules but a lot of time they have cut corners that cost our kids in the long run. I am a parent that appreciates the teachers in FCPS who give my kids real work that prepares them and then take the time to do the real work of giving feedback. Your 'hard line' on grading is undermining quality education in my opinion.

All the quality educators quit when they were forced to be online, masked, jabbed, or underpaid.

You are nuts. The resignations happened the year after that and the teachers overwhelmingly wanted vaccination. Pay actually isn't a huge part of it. You are crafting a biased narrative with no data.

PP is right, I can think of many teachers that left for one of those reasons.

+1 different school district, same story though

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope. Sorry. Teachers who can’t grade in the time frame required by the district need to figure it out. That’s crucial feedback for learning and not providing it is negligent.

I'm a very hard line on this as well.
Grade on time or you will be hearing from me.

-This is a recipe for teachers not giving many real assignments or meaningful feedback. It's easy to give crap that makes it easy to grade crap. Be careful what you wish for. Do you really want English and social studies teachers to grade on multiple choice or single correct answers rather than the the kinds of writing that prepares kids for college? For math teachers not to look at work just the answers? The teachers who get the work graded right away are sometimes super-organized people with relatively easier schedules but a lot of time they have cut corners that cost our kids in the long run. I am a parent that appreciates the teachers in FCPS who give my kids real work that prepares them and then take the time to do the real work of giving feedback. Your 'hard line' on grading is undermining quality education in my opinion.

All the quality educators quit when they were forced to be online, masked, jabbed, or underpaid.

You are nuts. The resignations happened the year after that and the teachers overwhelmingly wanted vaccination. Pay actually isn't a huge part of it. You are crafting a biased narrative with no data.

PP is right, I can think of many teachers that left for one of those reasons.

+1 different school district, same story though

We're talking about FCPS. In FCPS the teacher shortage happened the year after being open, not the year being virtual. They quit when there is no mask mandate rather than when there was one. And they advocated hard for being first in line to get vaccinated. Very, very few requests not to be vaccinated among teachers.
Granted, they'd like to be paid more. Sure. But for the most part, it's not the pay driving them out. It's the workload is unsustainable and the harassment from parents makes it worse. So, no, that narrative is not at all accurate for FCPS teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

The right?

The RIGHT?

Tell me, where is this right enshrined?

No. Just, no.

Right to information and participation
Parents have the legal right, via the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA, 1974), to inspect their child’s educational records at the school, to have them explained if necessary, to request updates and corrections, and to have their child’s education records sent to another school in a timely manner if they wish to have their child transfer schools.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/the-greatschools-bill-of-education-rights-for-public-school-parents/

But that doesn’t mean the informaiton has to be available immediately on Schoology. If you are interested, I’m sure you could contact the teacher for info.

[Anonymous]

I used to think that MCPS parents were the worst, but I see that I just haven't been paying enough attention to FCPS parents. This thread is full of some of the most entitled, arrogant parents I've seen in a long time. And you wonder why teachers are leaving the profession and that some of you are complaining about having subs, long-term subs and random school staff babysitting your children and not teaching them. Well, congratulations, you've shown that your children are paying the price for your arrogance and entitlement. Don't be surprised if more teachers leave and some leave mid-year from some of you and your children end up with more untrained subs and school staff babysitting your children instead of teaching them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Children have a right to get their assignment graded on time. If you are overwhelmed complain to your admin that you need more help, or quite like everyone else that doesn’t get adequate support.

The right?

The RIGHT?

Tell me, where is this right enshrined?

No. Just, no.

Right to information and participation
Parents have the legal right, via the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA, 1974), to inspect their child’s educational records at the school, to have them explained if necessary, to request updates and corrections, and to have their child’s education records sent to another school in a timely manner if they wish to have their child transfer schools.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/the-greatschools-bill-of-education-rights-for-public-school-parents/

Their educational records referred to in this law DO NOT include their latest math test.

Of course they do. If I want to schedule a meeting the day after the test to review the results that’s my right.

If I had a parent do that I would grade it in front of them during the meeting, take a picture on my phone, log attachments of the test in contact log and send in an email, hand them the test and enter the grade later when I entered all of the others. All of this would probably take the entire meeting not allowing for much discussion. Meeting would be backed up to a class I have to leave to teach because I can only meet during contract hours. Oh that means you are taking leave from your job to attend as well. Enjoy!

Meh, I can flex at my job so no time off work. I'd be fine with your approach so long as appropriate feedback is also given, as needed. If not, be prepared for further meetings or my going above your head. Enjoy!

Wow, you are so scary and important! Haha. Do you think anyone is going to fire a teacher this year? Frankly many districts would hire a volleyball with a smiley face drawn on it at this point.

I'm not scary or important, actually. But I know how to advocate for my child. Sorry that scares you so much. As far as firing a teacher, that would certainly not be my concern. That's up to the teacher not doing their job. And whether or not that will happen, I guess we'll find out how strategies like the teacher in this thread end up.