Can states actually outlaw traveling out of state for an abortion?

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Anonymous wrote:I am reading about bills being introduced to make it illegal for a woman to leave the state in order to get an abortion.

So if one of these actually passes, how could it realistically be enforced?

Would pregnant women from the state outlawing travel be refused permission to travel to a state which allows abortions?'

Or, would pregnant women need to certify their pregnancy status with a doctor before leaving, and again upon return?

What about international travel?

The bills floating around that I’m aware of would not actually “prevent” anyone from traveling to get an abortion. They are more targeted at the providers of out of state abortion. So if it’s illegal in, say Kentucky, but legal in Illinois, Kentucky would purport to have jurisdiction over Illinois providers for performing abortion on a Kentucky resident. It’s not like they are going to have checkpoints at every state crossing giving pea stick tests.

They could do a pee test at the state line. It would be similar to DWI checks.

Please! Millions commute "over state lines" just to get to work every day. This is a non-starter.

If personhood begins at conception though, women could be smuggling people over state borders all the time.

Do you honestly believe this is the direction red states are going?

Ohio legislators already introduced a fetal personhood bill that would eliminate IVF. Why do you people keep asking questions like this?
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/07/13/ohio-republicans-introduce-bill-that-could-ban-ivf-by-recognizing-personhood-from-conception/

Ok, Im really surprised you dont understand the nuances that separate the practice of creating babies and then selectively terminating some of them, and the practice of women having jobs and freedom of travel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is how it is going to work ladies.

At first, they are going to use ankle bracelets. You report to your doctor that you are pregnant then the bracelet is given to you. If you do not wear it you will be jailed.

I am not wrong they literally have this written down in many red states. Missouri, Mississippi, Alabama, Oklahoma, South Dakota, and Texas for sure.

All women will have to pee on sticks in order to leave these states. There will be no free interstate travel for women.

And they will not stop at abortion anyone who thinks that is not paying attention.

They are coming for your jobs, votes, and right to own property. If you are married you will need your husband's permission to travel.

This is not a joke people. The Republican party is sending us back to the dark ages.

Don't tell me I am hysterical or wrong. I am not. Learn to listen and read cognitively people.

Can you provide a source for these claims?

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I feel physically ill. This is horrific and inhumane.

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Anonymous wrote:I am reading about bills being introduced to make it illegal for a woman to leave the state in order to get an abortion.

So if one of these actually passes, how could it realistically be enforced?

Would pregnant women from the state outlawing travel be refused permission to travel to a state which allows abortions?'

Or, would pregnant women need to certify their pregnancy status with a doctor before leaving, and again upon return?

What about international travel?

The bills floating around that I’m aware of would not actually “prevent” anyone from traveling to get an abortion. They are more targeted at the providers of out of state abortion. So if it’s illegal in, say Kentucky, but legal in Illinois, Kentucky would purport to have jurisdiction over Illinois providers for performing abortion on a Kentucky resident. It’s not like they are going to have checkpoints at every state crossing giving pea stick tests.

They could do a pee test at the state line. It would be similar to DWI checks.

Please! Millions commute "over state lines" just to get to work every day. This is a non-starter.

If personhood begins at conception though, women could be smuggling people over state borders all the time.

Do you honestly believe this is the direction red states are going?

If they can do it, they will do it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am reading about bills being introduced to make it illegal for a woman to leave the state in order to get an abortion.

So if one of these actually passes, how could it realistically be enforced?

Would pregnant women from the state outlawing travel be refused permission to travel to a state which allows abortions?'

Or, would pregnant women need to certify their pregnancy status with a doctor before leaving, and again upon return?

What about international travel?

The bills floating around that I’m aware of would not actually “prevent” anyone from traveling to get an abortion. They are more targeted at the providers of out of state abortion. So if it’s illegal in, say Kentucky, but legal in Illinois, Kentucky would purport to have jurisdiction over Illinois providers for performing abortion on a Kentucky resident. It’s not like they are going to have checkpoints at every state crossing giving pea stick tests.

They could do a pee test at the state line. It would be similar to DWI checks.

Please! Millions commute "over state lines" just to get to work every day. This is a non-starter.

If personhood begins at conception though, women could be smuggling people over state borders all the time.

Do you honestly believe this is the direction red states are going?

Ohio legislators already introduced a fetal personhood bill that would eliminate IVF. Why do you people keep asking questions like this?
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/07/13/ohio-republicans-introduce-bill-that-could-ban-ivf-by-recognizing-personhood-from-conception/

Ok, Im really surprised you dont understand the nuances that separate the practice of creating babies and then selectively terminating some of them, and the practice of women having jobs and freedom of travel.

I'm sure lawmakers in Ohio don't want to prevent women in Ohio from traveling for work or pleasure.
But if lawmakers pass a law saying that an embryo has personhood status from the moment of conception, then that will affect every single thing every woman in Ohio does from the moment she conceives.

Children are entitled by law to certain protection. You cannot just hide children. The state needs to know that you are caring for them and has a right to protect their welfare.

Embryos and fetuses are hidden, however. The state cannot know they exist and can npt therefore oversee their welfare unless the state knows they are there.

The transportation of a child across state lines for the purpose of ending that child's life would be a gross violation of its rights. Obviously.

If Ohio decides that a fertilized egg is a person just as much as a child is, and entitled to the same rights, how could the state NOT start testing women to see if they are carrying a person, hidden, in their womb? How could they not keep track of all these helpless, dependent people?

How could they allow women who could be smuggling people across state lines, in order to kill them, to simply cross, with no checks on the vehicle of conveyance (the uterus)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is how it is going to work ladies.

At first, they are going to use ankle bracelets. You report to your doctor that you are pregnant then the bracelet is given to you. If you do not wear it you will be jailed.

I am not wrong they literally have this written down in many red states. Missouri, Mississippi, Alabama, Oklahoma, South Dakota, and Texas for sure.

No, that is false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I am reading about bills being introduced to make it illegal for a woman to leave the state in order to get an abortion.

So if one of these actually passes, how could it realistically be enforced?

Would pregnant women from the state outlawing travel be refused permission to travel to a state which allows abortions?'

Or, would pregnant women need to certify their pregnancy status with a doctor before leaving, and again upon return?

What about international travel?

The bills floating around that I’m aware of would not actually “prevent” anyone from traveling to get an abortion. They are more targeted at the providers of out of state abortion. So if it’s illegal in, say Kentucky, but legal in Illinois, Kentucky would purport to have jurisdiction over Illinois providers for performing abortion on a Kentucky resident. It’s not like they are going to have checkpoints at every state crossing giving pea stick tests.

They could do a pee test at the state line. It would be similar to DWI checks.

Please! Millions commute "over state lines" just to get to work every day. This is a non-starter.

If personhood begins at conception though, women could be smuggling people over state borders all the time.

Do you honestly believe this is the direction red states are going?

If they can do it, they will do it.

They’re proposing these bills already. This isn’t a hysterical fiction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am reading about bills being introduced to make it illegal for a woman to leave the state in order to get an abortion.

So if one of these actually passes, how could it realistically be enforced?

Would pregnant women from the state outlawing travel be refused permission to travel to a state which allows abortions?'

Or, would pregnant women need to certify their pregnancy status with a doctor before leaving, and again upon return?

What about international travel?

The bills floating around that I’m aware of would not actually “prevent” anyone from traveling to get an abortion. They are more targeted at the providers of out of state abortion. So if it’s illegal in, say Kentucky, but legal in Illinois, Kentucky would purport to have jurisdiction over Illinois providers for performing abortion on a Kentucky resident. It’s not like they are going to have checkpoints at every state crossing giving pea stick tests.

They could do a pee test at the state line. It would be similar to DWI checks.

Please! Millions commute "over state lines" just to get to work every day. This is a non-starter.

I want to agree with you that this is all hyperbole and has no chance of ever happening. Five years ago, I would have. And yet, so much of the past several years has been a slow creep of what would have been unimaginable a decade ago. At this point it’s hard to rule out anything a decade or two from now and to dismiss posts like the one you replied to as impossible is how it happens. I don’t mean to single you out specifically, just that I’ve been thinking a lot in light of recent events about what I imagined as impossible and how hard it is to rule anything out now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am reading about bills being introduced to make it illegal for a woman to leave the state in order to get an abortion.

So if one of these actually passes, how could it realistically be enforced?

Would pregnant women from the state outlawing travel be refused permission to travel to a state which allows abortions?'

Or, would pregnant women need to certify their pregnancy status with a doctor before leaving, and again upon return?

What about international travel?

The bills floating around that I’m aware of would not actually “prevent” anyone from traveling to get an abortion. They are more targeted at the providers of out of state abortion. So if it’s illegal in, say Kentucky, but legal in Illinois, Kentucky would purport to have jurisdiction over Illinois providers for performing abortion on a Kentucky resident. It’s not like they are going to have checkpoints at every state crossing giving pea stick tests.

They could do a pee test at the state line. It would be similar to DWI checks.

Please! Millions commute "over state lines" just to get to work every day. This is a non-starter.

If personhood begins at conception though, women could be smuggling people over state borders all the time.

Do you honestly believe this is the direction red states are going?

Ohio legislators already introduced a fetal personhood bill that would eliminate IVF. Why do you people keep asking questions like this?
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/07/13/ohio-republicans-introduce-bill-that-could-ban-ivf-by-recognizing-personhood-from-conception/

Ok, Im really surprised you dont understand the nuances that separate the practice of creating babies and then selectively terminating some of them, and the practice of women having jobs and freedom of travel.

I'm sure lawmakers in Ohio don't want to prevent women in Ohio from traveling for work or pleasure.
But if lawmakers pass a law saying that an embryo has personhood status from the moment of conception, then that will affect every single thing every woman in Ohio does from the moment she conceives.

Children are entitled by law to certain protection. You cannot just hide children. The state needs to know that you are caring for them and has a right to protect their welfare.

Embryos and fetuses are hidden, however. The state cannot know they exist and can npt therefore oversee their welfare unless the state knows they are there.

The transportation of a child across state lines for the purpose of ending that child's life would be a gross violation of its rights. Obviously.

If Ohio decides that a fertilized egg is a person just as much as a child is, and entitled to the same rights, how could the state NOT start testing women to see if they are carrying a person, hidden, in their womb? How could they not keep track of all these helpless, dependent people?

How could they allow women who could be smuggling people across state lines, in order to kill them, to simply cross, with no checks on the vehicle of conveyance (the uterus)?

The obvious flaw in your logic is that the state doesnt exercise this level of oversight on children outside the womb. You could be transporting your kid across state lines to traffick them, evade a custody issue, or murder them. The state doesnt "keep track" with checkpoints where you prove you arent going to murder your kids. Why would that suddenly become necessary for the pre born?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am reading about bills being introduced to make it illegal for a woman to leave the state in order to get an abortion.

So if one of these actually passes, how could it realistically be enforced?

Would pregnant women from the state outlawing travel be refused permission to travel to a state which allows abortions?'

Or, would pregnant women need to certify their pregnancy status with a doctor before leaving, and again upon return?

What about international travel?

The bills floating around that I’m aware of would not actually “prevent” anyone from traveling to get an abortion. They are more targeted at the providers of out of state abortion. So if it’s illegal in, say Kentucky, but legal in Illinois, Kentucky would purport to have jurisdiction over Illinois providers for performing abortion on a Kentucky resident. It’s not like they are going to have checkpoints at every state crossing giving pea stick tests.

They could do a pee test at the state line. It would be similar to DWI checks.

Please! Millions commute "over state lines" just to get to work every day. This is a non-starter.

If personhood begins at conception though, women could be smuggling people over state borders all the time.

Do you honestly believe this is the direction red states are going?

If they can do it, they will do it.

They’re proposing these bills already. This isn’t a hysterical fiction.

Link to the ankle bracelet bills.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am reading about bills being introduced to make it illegal for a woman to leave the state in order to get an abortion.

So if one of these actually passes, how could it realistically be enforced?

Would pregnant women from the state outlawing travel be refused permission to travel to a state which allows abortions?'

Or, would pregnant women need to certify their pregnancy status with a doctor before leaving, and again upon return?

What about international travel?

The bills floating around that I’m aware of would not actually “prevent” anyone from traveling to get an abortion. They are more targeted at the providers of out of state abortion. So if it’s illegal in, say Kentucky, but legal in Illinois, Kentucky would purport to have jurisdiction over Illinois providers for performing abortion on a Kentucky resident. It’s not like they are going to have checkpoints at every state crossing giving pea stick tests.

They could do a pee test at the state line. It would be similar to DWI checks.

Please! Millions commute "over state lines" just to get to work every day. This is a non-starter.

If personhood begins at conception though, women could be smuggling people over state borders all the time.

Do you honestly believe this is the direction red states are going?

If they can do it, they will do it.

They’re proposing these bills already. This isn’t a hysterical fiction.

Link to the ankle bracelet bills.

Link to any reputable source. Otherwise, should be deleted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am reading about bills being introduced to make it illegal for a woman to leave the state in order to get an abortion.

So if one of these actually passes, how could it realistically be enforced?

Would pregnant women from the state outlawing travel be refused permission to travel to a state which allows abortions?'

Or, would pregnant women need to certify their pregnancy status with a doctor before leaving, and again upon return?

What about international travel?

The bills floating around that I’m aware of would not actually “prevent” anyone from traveling to get an abortion. They are more targeted at the providers of out of state abortion. So if it’s illegal in, say Kentucky, but legal in Illinois, Kentucky would purport to have jurisdiction over Illinois providers for performing abortion on a Kentucky resident. It’s not like they are going to have checkpoints at every state crossing giving pea stick tests.

They could do a pee test at the state line. It would be similar to DWI checks.

Please! Millions commute "over state lines" just to get to work every day. This is a non-starter.

I want to agree with you that this is all hyperbole and has no chance of ever happening. Five years ago, I would have. And yet, so much of the past several years has been a slow creep of what would have been unimaginable a decade ago. At this point it’s hard to rule out anything a decade or two from now and to dismiss posts like the one you replied to as impossible is how it happens. I don’t mean to single you out specifically, just that I’ve been thinking a lot in light of recent events about what I imagined as impossible and how hard it is to rule anything out now.

Unfortunately I feel the same way. So many things that I previously believed impossible have come to pass. On the abortion front, these past few weeks have been truly shocking. The pregnant 10 year old; doctors being told they can’t use their judgment to care for pregnant women; states criminalizing a woman crossing state lines to get an abortion. I will no longer be told that I’m being hysterical. I’m being realistic and we all need to start paying attention and fighting for our rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am reading about bills being introduced to make it illegal for a woman to leave the state in order to get an abortion.

So if one of these actually passes, how could it realistically be enforced?

Would pregnant women from the state outlawing travel be refused permission to travel to a state which allows abortions?'

Or, would pregnant women need to certify their pregnancy status with a doctor before leaving, and again upon return?

What about international travel?

The bills floating around that I’m aware of would not actually “prevent” anyone from traveling to get an abortion. They are more targeted at the providers of out of state abortion. So if it’s illegal in, say Kentucky, but legal in Illinois, Kentucky would purport to have jurisdiction over Illinois providers for performing abortion on a Kentucky resident. It’s not like they are going to have checkpoints at every state crossing giving pea stick tests.

They could do a pee test at the state line. It would be similar to DWI checks.

Please! Millions commute "over state lines" just to get to work every day. This is a non-starter.

I want to agree with you that this is all hyperbole and has no chance of ever happening. Five years ago, I would have. And yet, so much of the past several years has been a slow creep of what would have been unimaginable a decade ago. At this point it’s hard to rule out anything a decade or two from now and to dismiss posts like the one you replied to as impossible is how it happens. I don’t mean to single you out specifically, just that I’ve been thinking a lot in light of recent events about what I imagined as impossible and how hard it is to rule anything out now.

Unfortunately I feel the same way. So many things that I previously believed impossible have come to pass. On the abortion front, these past few weeks have been truly shocking. The pregnant 10 year old; doctors being told they can’t use their judgment to care for pregnant women; states criminalizing a woman crossing state lines to get an abortion. I will no longer be told that I’m being hysterical. I’m being realistic and we all need to start paying attention and fighting for our rights.

Then provide reliable sources for all of these claims you are making. You lose any credibility by making these wild assertions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am reading about bills being introduced to make it illegal for a woman to leave the state in order to get an abortion.

So if one of these actually passes, how could it realistically be enforced?

Would pregnant women from the state outlawing travel be refused permission to travel to a state which allows abortions?'

Or, would pregnant women need to certify their pregnancy status with a doctor before leaving, and again upon return?

What about international travel?

The bills floating around that I’m aware of would not actually “prevent” anyone from traveling to get an abortion. They are more targeted at the providers of out of state abortion. So if it’s illegal in, say Kentucky, but legal in Illinois, Kentucky would purport to have jurisdiction over Illinois providers for performing abortion on a Kentucky resident. It’s not like they are going to have checkpoints at every state crossing giving pea stick tests.

They could do a pee test at the state line. It would be similar to DWI checks.

Please! Millions commute "over state lines" just to get to work every day. This is a non-starter.

If personhood begins at conception though, women could be smuggling people over state borders all the time.

Do you honestly believe this is the direction red states are going?

Ohio legislators already introduced a fetal personhood bill that would eliminate IVF. Why do you people keep asking questions like this?
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/07/13/ohio-republicans-introduce-bill-that-could-ban-ivf-by-recognizing-personhood-from-conception/

Ok, Im really surprised you dont understand the nuances that separate the practice of creating babies and then selectively terminating some of them, and the practice of women having jobs and freedom of travel.

I'm sure lawmakers in Ohio don't want to prevent women in Ohio from traveling for work or pleasure.
But if lawmakers pass a law saying that an embryo has personhood status from the moment of conception, then that will affect every single thing every woman in Ohio does from the moment she conceives.

Children are entitled by law to certain protection. You cannot just hide children. The state needs to know that you are caring for them and has a right to protect their welfare.

Embryos and fetuses are hidden, however. The state cannot know they exist and can npt therefore oversee their welfare unless the state knows they are there.

The transportation of a child across state lines for the purpose of ending that child's life would be a gross violation of its rights. Obviously.

If Ohio decides that a fertilized egg is a person just as much as a child is, and entitled to the same rights, how could the state NOT start testing women to see if they are carrying a person, hidden, in their womb? How could they not keep track of all these helpless, dependent people?

How could they allow women who could be smuggling people across state lines, in order to kill them, to simply cross, with no checks on the vehicle of conveyance (the uterus)?

The obvious flaw in your logic is that the state doesnt exercise this level of oversight on children outside the womb. You could be transporting your kid across state lines to traffick them, evade a custody issue, or murder them. The state doesnt "keep track" with checkpoints where you prove you arent going to murder your kids. Why would that suddenly become necessary for the pre born?

They do it for DWI why would they not do it to stop abortions? You set up check points, pull people over, make the women take a pregnancy test, etc. iIts not like DWI checks are 24/7 but they still catch people. It just depends on how much of a priority the state wants to make it. Ohio and other states seem to feel it is a priority. So you pull the police off of other things to make the politicians and people of Ohio happy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am reading about bills being introduced to make it illegal for a woman to leave the state in order to get an abortion.

So if one of these actually passes, how could it realistically be enforced?

Would pregnant women from the state outlawing travel be refused permission to travel to a state which allows abortions?'

Or, would pregnant women need to certify their pregnancy status with a doctor before leaving, and again upon return?

What about international travel?

The bills floating around that I’m aware of would not actually “prevent” anyone from traveling to get an abortion. They are more targeted at the providers of out of state abortion. So if it’s illegal in, say Kentucky, but legal in Illinois, Kentucky would purport to have jurisdiction over Illinois providers for performing abortion on a Kentucky resident. It’s not like they are going to have checkpoints at every state crossing giving pea stick tests.

They could do a pee test at the state line. It would be similar to DWI checks.

Please! Millions commute "over state lines" just to get to work every day. This is a non-starter.

If personhood begins at conception though, women could be smuggling people over state borders all the time.

Do you honestly believe this is the direction red states are going?

Ohio legislators already introduced a fetal personhood bill that would eliminate IVF. Why do you people keep asking questions like this?
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/07/13/ohio-republicans-introduce-bill-that-could-ban-ivf-by-recognizing-personhood-from-conception/

Ok, Im really surprised you dont understand the nuances that separate the practice of creating babies and then selectively terminating some of them, and the practice of women having jobs and freedom of travel.

I'm sure lawmakers in Ohio don't want to prevent women in Ohio from traveling for work or pleasure.
But if lawmakers pass a law saying that an embryo has personhood status from the moment of conception, then that will affect every single thing every woman in Ohio does from the moment she conceives.

Children are entitled by law to certain protection. You cannot just hide children. The state needs to know that you are caring for them and has a right to protect their welfare.

Embryos and fetuses are hidden, however. The state cannot know they exist and can npt therefore oversee their welfare unless the state knows they are there.

The transportation of a child across state lines for the purpose of ending that child's life would be a gross violation of its rights. Obviously.

If Ohio decides that a fertilized egg is a person just as much as a child is, and entitled to the same rights, how could the state NOT start testing women to see if they are carrying a person, hidden, in their womb? How could they not keep track of all these helpless, dependent people?

How could they allow women who could be smuggling people across state lines, in order to kill them, to simply cross, with no checks on the vehicle of conveyance (the uterus)?

The obvious flaw in your logic is that the state doesnt exercise this level of oversight on children outside the womb. You could be transporting your kid across state lines to traffick them, evade a custody issue, or murder them. The state doesnt "keep track" with checkpoints where you prove you arent going to murder your kids. Why would that suddenly become necessary for the pre born?

They do it for DWI why would they not do it to stop abortions? You set up check points, pull people over, make the women take a pregnancy test, etc. iIts not like DWI checks are 24/7 but they still catch people. It just depends on how much of a priority the state wants to make it. Ohio and other states seem to feel it is a priority. So you pull the police off of other things to make the politicians and people of Ohio happy.

Cool story.