Success with Ivy-level admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Name a top 25 school where black or brown students represent more than 30% of the student body, and where Asian students aren't over represented (based on US population or the state).

Relevance? Do you somehow think that the racial breakdown of a college class should match that if the country at large? Seriously?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Name a top 25 school where black or brown students represent more than 30% of the student body, and where Asian students aren't over represented (based on US population or the state).

Relevance? Do you somehow think that the racial breakdown of a college class should match that if the country at large? Seriously?

The colleges do, yes, for one primary reason. The same reason your kid probably wouldn’t want to attend and excellent school like Spelman. It’s hard to attract students who feel out of place, and better for all students if they get perspectives from outside a bubble.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The same number of kids got into Ivies this year, as last year, as the schools have not changed the number of kids admitted.

But the unis may have changed their goals for admission - two easy examples, maybe they are admitting more international students or wanted more geo diversity within the US.

so would this mean a dual citizen would have a potential boost for admissions?

An international student is applying from another country in which they have legal residence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Name a top 25 school where black or brown students represent more than 30% of the student body, and where Asian students aren't over represented (based on US population or the state).

Relevance? Do you somehow think that the racial breakdown of a college class should match that if the country at large? Seriously?

The colleges do, yes, for one primary reason. The same reason your kid probably wouldn’t want to attend and excellent school like Spelman. It’s hard to attract students who feel out of place, and better for all students if they get perspectives from outside a bubble.

They don't want to match.
They want to look they have minimal diversity in race, sex, geography, etc. which sounds OK

With this hard working low to mid class Whites and Asians get penalized and rich and previlleged URMs and foreigners get most of the benefits.

There's no perfect system for college or any other systems in the society.
We have no choice but just play along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Name a top 25 school where black or brown students represent more than 30% of the student body, and where Asian students aren't over represented (based on US population or the state).

Relevance? Do you somehow think that the racial breakdown of a college class should match that if the country at large? Seriously?

The colleges do, yes, for one primary reason. The same reason your kid probably wouldn’t want to attend and excellent school like Spelman. It’s hard to attract students who feel out of place, and better for all students if they get perspectives from outside a bubble.

They don't want to match.
They want to look they have minimal diversity in race, sex, geography, etc. which sounds OK

With this hard working low to mid class Whites and Asians get penalized and rich and previlleged URMs and foreigners get most of the benefits.

There's no perfect system for college or any other systems in the society.
We have no choice but just play along.

Nobody gets "penalized". Unless you think everyone rejected is "penalized". Unless you think CS students are "penalized" at MIT because there are more of them applying. Colleges pick whoever they want as long as they don't break the law, and generally they do so with good intent, focus on campus missions, and without racism.

Fact is if suddenly one year nearly no qualified Asian applicants applied to Harvard the Asian acceptance rate would be sky-high. Is that the reverse of penalized, or is it logical?

And BTW, when you write a sentence like "hard working low to mid class Whites and Asians get penalized and rich and previlleged [sic] URMs" well man that shows some majorly racist thinking. You might want to examine that. You don't know anywhere near enough of the kids at any of those schools to make any kind of judgement about them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At my kids’ MCPS high school, the seniors sef report where they are matriculating for publication in the school newspaper. I was surprised at this year’s results. A lot are headed to Cornell, but otherwise zero or just 1-2 students are headed to each of the ivies plus Stanford, MIT, JHU, Rice, etc.

Yes! Same thing at DD's high school, which I don't understand. One to Harvard, and several to Cornell. No one at any other Ivy or Stanford. A couple got into Hopkins. One got into UChicago.

DD was very upset about this, and now wishes she'd applied to Cornell. The kids who got in are not hooked or have higher stats or are more accomplished than DD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The same number of kids got into Ivies this year, as last year, as the schools have not changed the number of kids admitted.

Yes, obvious, duh.

But the applicant pool was HUGE this year. Admit rate tiny at the most competitive colleges.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always a crapshoot. Not much difference from last year at our school.

For mediocre applicants, it’s indeed a crapshoot. But not for top achievers.

Yes it is for high achievers, the ones who would easily have gotten a place at a T20 university a few years back. The very top achievers (#1 in their class with extremely rigorous courseload) and top recruited athletes will get a spot at a T20. But the average high achievers with excellent grades and test scores, but no real hook are now having to settle at least one or two rungs down from schools they would have gained admittance too fairly recently. A kid at DD's high school who had a 3.89 uw and 1580 SAT got rejected from his mom's Ivy. My DD was astonished by this, and so was this kid and his parents. But these things are common these days. The kid is going to USC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Name a top 25 school where black or brown students represent more than 30% of the student body, and where Asian students aren't over represented (based on US population or the state).

Relevance? Do you somehow think that the racial breakdown of a college class should match that if the country at large? Seriously?

The colleges do, yes, for one primary reason. The same reason your kid probably wouldn’t want to attend and excellent school like Spelman. It’s hard to attract students who feel out of place, and better for all students if they get perspectives from outside a bubble.

They don't want to match.
They want to look they have minimal diversity in race, sex, geography, etc. which sounds OK

With this hard working low to mid class Whites and Asians get penalized and rich and previlleged URMs and foreigners get most of the benefits.

There's no perfect system for college or any other systems in the society.
We have no choice but just play along.

Nobody gets "penalized". Unless you think everyone rejected is "penalized". Unless you think CS students are "penalized" at MIT because there are more of them applying. Colleges pick whoever they want as long as they don't break the law, and generally they do so with good intent, focus on campus missions, and without racism.

Fact is if suddenly one year nearly no qualified Asian applicants applied to Harvard the Asian acceptance rate would be sky-high. Is that the reverse of penalized, or is it logical?

And BTW, when you write a sentence like "hard working low to mid class Whites and Asians get penalized and rich and previlleged [sic] URMs" well man that shows some majorly racist thinking. You might want to examine that. You don't know anywhere near enough of the kids at any of those schools to make any kind of judgement about them.

LOL so you are admitting that Asian students have to compete with other Asian students just like CS applicants compete with other CS applicants.
Do you even know what you're talking about?
I'm sure it's good intention(diversity), but when colleges use racial quota, there are more qualified students penalized.  
Schools make judgments based on color, that's more racist.
There are schools that don't do that like CalTech.
There are good intentions, but there are also unfairness. But then again there's no such thing as a perfect system.
No need to deny the fact. I'm not here for political correctness. You are insulting your own intelligence.  Save your preaching for your kids.

[Anonymous]

Best approach is to have born to or adopted by mega-wealthy parents who attended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Best approach is to have born to or adopted by mega-wealthy parents who attended.

Great, now we all can emulate the secret to success 😆

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always a crapshoot. Not much difference from last year at our school.

For mediocre applicants, it’s indeed a crapshoot. But not for top achievers.

Yes it is for high achievers, the ones who would easily have gotten a place at a T20 university a few years back. The very top achievers (#1 in their class with extremely rigorous courseload) and top recruited athletes will get a spot at a T20. But the average high achievers with excellent grades and test scores, but no real hook are now having to settle at least one or two rungs down from schools they would have gained admittance too fairly recently. A kid at DD's high school who had a 3.89 uw and 1580 SAT got rejected from his mom's Ivy. My DD was astonished by this, and so was this kid and his parents. But these things are common these days. The kid is going to USC.

Frankly, a kid with a 3.89 had a few Bs and probably should not have gotten in to an Ivy just because his mother attended. I'm sure there were plenty of more qualified kids at his school. plus USC is a great school. this is actually the system working exactly as it should, IMO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always a crapshoot. Not much difference from last year at our school.

For mediocre applicants, it’s indeed a crapshoot. But not for top achievers.

Yes it is for high achievers, the ones who would easily have gotten a place at a T20 university a few years back. The very top achievers (#1 in their class with extremely rigorous courseload) and top recruited athletes will get a spot at a T20. But the average high achievers with excellent grades and test scores, but no real hook are now having to settle at least one or two rungs down from schools they would have gained admittance too fairly recently. A kid at DD's high school who had a 3.89 uw and 1580 SAT got rejected from his mom's Ivy. My DD was astonished by this, and so was this kid and his parents. But these things are common these days. The kid is going to USC.

Frankly, a kid with a 3.89 had a few Bs and probably should not have gotten in to an Ivy just because his mother attended. I'm sure there were plenty of more qualified kids at his school. plus USC is a great school. this is actually the system working exactly as it should, IMO.

Guessing he's happy to go to USC over his mom's Ivy, even if he isn't telling mom that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s always a crapshoot. Not much difference from last year at our school.

For mediocre applicants, it’s indeed a crapshoot. But not for top achievers.

Yes it is for high achievers, the ones who would easily have gotten a place at a T20 university a few years back. The very top achievers (#1 in their class with extremely rigorous courseload) and top recruited athletes will get a spot at a T20. But the average high achievers with excellent grades and test scores, but no real hook are now having to settle at least one or two rungs down from schools they would have gained admittance too fairly recently. A kid at DD's high school who had a 3.89 uw and 1580 SAT got rejected from his mom's Ivy. My DD was astonished by this, and so was this kid and his parents. But these things are common these days. The kid is going to USC.

Frankly, a kid with a 3.89 had a few Bs and probably should not have gotten in to an Ivy just because his mother attended. I'm sure there were plenty of more qualified kids at his school. plus USC is a great school. this is actually the system working exactly as it should, IMO.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always a crapshoot. Not much difference from last year at our school.

For mediocre applicants, it’s indeed a crapshoot. But not for top achievers.

You are the exact parent that will be back here in May complaining that your kid was “shut out.” It will turn out that their list contained only t15 schools because you did not listen to anyone. This happens every single year.

Nah
All my kids are in HYPSM. And I personally am familiar with the profiles of a lot of students accepted to Ivy+. I can confidently tell you that you guys have no idea about the top college admissions and blame it as crapshoot. It’s not.

So, be more precise please and tell us the big secret.

My kids are not at HYPSM, but I agree. My kids had high academic stats and good/not great EC got into the the next level lower schools. However, the students from my kid's public school that get into those schools have that something special (that just be republicated), in addition to the high stats. One of them is an amazing musician and scientist and also a high level varsity athlete, going to Princeton. The one who got into MIT, is so savvy with Tech that they bill themselves out to for techservices to legit companies and sold a patent for an app. The girl who got into Harvard has been a passionate environmental activist since she was in elementary school, in addition to all of the other extra curricular activities.

Yes it's called Legacy, URM, or recruited athlete. Better if you have all 3. That is your special something.

Why are recruited athletes lumped with legacy and URM? One you have to work your ass off at the others you are born with