Success with Ivy-level admissions

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Anonymous wrote:The same number of kids got into Ivies this year, as last year, as the schools have not changed the number of kids admitted.

But the unis may have changed their goals for admission - two easy examples, maybe they are admitting more international students or wanted more geo diversity within the US.

Those are big "may" and "maybe" 's.

You'd need to cite evidence or it is easy to dismiss your post.

No need to get huffy. I'm not the PP, but have 2 DCs just going through these last cycles and both of these popped to mind when I read this thread. For example, I am aware of a T20 university with an overseas campus. There is an agreement that the students at the overseas campus will be able to study for one year at the US campus. That school is now having to accommodate two years' worth of students in this coming academic year. Given that, there are not as many openings for the incoming '26 class.

It’s not getting huffy to say “you just made that up without evidence” as people may read this forum, take your statement as fact and make uninformed decisions based on it.

This is a discussion forum. If you make a claim you should be prepared for it to be challenged. Your anecdote above is not evidence, and your lack of mentioning the school is a tell that you can’t support it with any facts.

PP is right - essentially the same number of seats for the same number of students. That’s all verifiable in the CDSs.

LOL. It's Duke and heard directly from a board member. So maybe Duke spun the board member, IDK.

Again, I'm not the PP with the original assertion. I responded because those were the first two points that also crossed my mind based on college search, tours, etc over the last three years. You can still have the same number of seats but fill a fair percentage of them with international students. That translates into a smaller pool of seats available for US applicants.

Again, no need to be huffy. You could have framed everything you did above without immediately accusing people of acting in bad faith. This is DCUM, not a Congressional hearing.

Duke CDS Enrollees:

2021: 538 non-resident aliens
2020: 631
2019: 636

I guess we'll have to wait for the next CDS to absolutely check what you heard, but the current data, for the "last three years", shows the number as around 10% and declining slightly. Enrollments are what matter, if they are taking the same number of enrollees, there is no net reduction.

If requiring facts and one minute of research makes me "Huffy", then I embrace huffy, and feel there is a total need for facts and none for "may and maybe"s. This process is hard enough on people.

Have a great day, and try not to be so sensitive when you have your facts checked.

Again, as I posted, these are students enrolled on their overseas campus who are promised one year (semester?) on Duke's campus. According to the board member, they have two years' worth of those students who have not been able to attend Duke due to COVID and now need to be accommodated. IDK where the campus is or if the non-resident alien (technically not NRA if not in the USA) numbers of students enrolled on overseas campuses are reflected in the CDS, but somehow, according to this board member, they have to be housed this school year.

And again, LOL. I'm not being sensitive. I am just suggesting that your communications style may be lacking.

A classic ad hominem, Which is what you do when you don’t have any facts.

So a board member is insufficient?

And that's a very generous definition of ad hominem. Very.

[Anonymous]

These universities were publicly advertising that they wanted 'first generation' students. Hopkins president came out and said he didn't want legacy. My husband was a first generation JHU student so it's crazy that our kid will be dinged because his dad went there.

Princeton advertised that 68% of their student body is mixed race. That makes me very leery of what people are claiming on their applications. Hello Pocahontas Warren wannabes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The same number of kids got into Ivies this year, as last year, as the schools have not changed the number of kids admitted.

But the unis may have changed their goals for admission - two easy examples, maybe they are admitting more international students or wanted more geo diversity within the US.

Those are big "may" and "maybe" 's.

You'd need to cite evidence or it is easy to dismiss your post.

No need to get huffy. I'm not the PP, but have 2 DCs just going through these last cycles and both of these popped to mind when I read this thread. For example, I am aware of a T20 university with an overseas campus. There is an agreement that the students at the overseas campus will be able to study for one year at the US campus. That school is now having to accommodate two years' worth of students in this coming academic year. Given that, there are not as many openings for the incoming '26 class.

It’s not getting huffy to say “you just made that up without evidence” as people may read this forum, take your statement as fact and make uninformed decisions based on it.

This is a discussion forum. If you make a claim you should be prepared for it to be challenged. Your anecdote above is not evidence, and your lack of mentioning the school is a tell that you can’t support it with any facts.

PP is right - essentially the same number of seats for the same number of students. That’s all verifiable in the CDSs.

LOL. It's Duke and heard directly from a board member. So maybe Duke spun the board member, IDK.

Again, I'm not the PP with the original assertion. I responded because those were the first two points that also crossed my mind based on college search, tours, etc over the last three years. You can still have the same number of seats but fill a fair percentage of them with international students. That translates into a smaller pool of seats available for US applicants.

Again, no need to be huffy. You could have framed everything you did above without immediately accusing people of acting in bad faith. This is DCUM, not a Congressional hearing.

Duke CDS Enrollees:

2021: 538 non-resident aliens
2020: 631
2019: 636

I guess we'll have to wait for the next CDS to absolutely check what you heard, but the current data, for the "last three years", shows the number as around 10% and declining slightly. Enrollments are what matter, if they are taking the same number of enrollees, there is no net reduction.

If requiring facts and one minute of research makes me "Huffy", then I embrace huffy, and feel there is a total need for facts and none for "may and maybe"s. This process is hard enough on people.

Have a great day, and try not to be so sensitive when you have your facts checked.

Again, as I posted, these are students enrolled on their overseas campus who are promised one year (semester?) on Duke's campus. According to the board member, they have two years' worth of those students who have not been able to attend Duke due to COVID and now need to be accommodated. IDK where the campus is or if the non-resident alien (technically not NRA if not in the USA) numbers of students enrolled on overseas campuses are reflected in the CDS, but somehow, according to this board member, they have to be housed this school year.

And again, LOL. I'm not being sensitive. I am just suggesting that your communications style may be lacking.

A classic ad hominem, Which is what you do when you don’t have any facts.

So a board member is insufficient?

And that's a very generous definition of ad hominem. Very.

ad ho·mi·nem /ˌad ˈhämənəm/
adjective
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

adverb
1. in a way that is directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
2. in a way that relates to or is associated with a particular person.

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I am just suggesting that your communications style may be lacking.

Not a "generous" definition at all, but rather application of the literal one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always a crapshoot. Not much difference from last year at our school.

For mediocre applicants, it’s indeed a crapshoot. But not for top achievers.

You are the exact parent that will be back here in May complaining that your kid was “shut out.” It will turn out that their list contained only t15 schools because you did not listen to anyone. This happens every single year.

Nah
All my kids are in HYPSM. And I personally am familiar with the profiles of a lot of students accepted to Ivy+. I can confidently tell you that you guys have no idea about the top college admissions and blame it as crapshoot. It’s not.

So, be more precise please and tell us the big secret.

My kids are not at HYPSM, but I agree. My kids had high academic stats and good/not great EC got into the the next level lower schools. However, the students from my kid's public school that get into those schools have that something special (that just be republicated), in addition to the high stats. One of them is an amazing musician and scientist and also a high level varsity athlete, going to Princeton. The one who got into MIT, is so savvy with Tech that they bill themselves out to for techservices to legit companies and sold a patent for an app. The girl who got into Harvard has been a passionate environmental activist since she was in elementary school, in addition to all of the other extra curricular activities.

Or have stellar grades test scores and come from a middle of nowhere Midwest town and underprivileged public school

[Anonymous]

Lol, interesting word you’ve used twice

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always a crapshoot. Not much difference from last year at our school.

For mediocre applicants, it’s indeed a crapshoot. But not for top achievers.

You are the exact parent that will be back here in May complaining that your kid was “shut out.” It will turn out that their list contained only t15 schools because you did not listen to anyone. This happens every single year.

Nah
All my kids are in HYPSM. And I personally am familiar with the profiles of a lot of students accepted to Ivy+. I can confidently tell you that you guys have no idea about the top college admissions and blame it as crapshoot. It’s not.

So, be more precise please and tell us the big secret.

My kids are not at HYPSM, but I agree. My kids had high academic stats and good/not great EC got into the the next level lower schools. However, the students from my kid's public school that get into those schools have that something special (that just be republicated), in addition to the high stats. One of them is an amazing musician and scientist and also a high level varsity athlete, going to Princeton. The one who got into MIT, is so savvy with Tech that they bill themselves out to for techservices to legit companies and sold a patent for an app. The girl who got into Harvard has been a passionate environmental activist since she was in elementary school, in addition to all of the other extra curricular activities.

Or have stellar grades test scores and come from a middle of nowhere Midwest town and underprivileged public school

PP- I agree on area of the country you are from helps. When there are 30 or 40 kids from each high school applying to T20 only you end up competing with your classmates for your admissions spots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These universities were publicly advertising that they wanted 'first generation' students. Hopkins president came out and said he didn't want legacy. My husband was a first generation JHU student so it's crazy that our kid will be dinged because his dad went there.

Princeton advertised that 68% of their student body is mixed race. That makes me very leery of what people are claiming on their applications. Hello Pocahontas Warren wannabes.

That's impossible--less than 10% of the US population under 18 years old is biracial/mixed race. I think you mean people of color or non-white. I found this that supports your 68% number: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9451013/Princeton-selecting-fewer-white-students-year.html

[Anonymous]

PP is correct to be skeptical. 8.1% of Princeton admits were multiracial according to demographic breakdown for class of 2025, the most recent class for which it released data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These universities were publicly advertising that they wanted 'first generation' students. Hopkins president came out and said he didn't want legacy. My husband was a first generation JHU student so it's crazy that our kid will be dinged because his dad went there.

Princeton advertised that 68% of their student body is mixed race. That makes me very leery of what people are claiming on their applications. Hello Pocahontas Warren wannabes.

That's impossible--less than 10% of the US population under 18 years old is biracial/mixed race. I think you mean people of color or non-white. I found this that supports your 68% number: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9451013/Princeton-selecting-fewer-white-students-year.html

Princeton announced its 2025 class on Thursday; 68% are non-white (black, Asian, Hispanic and other races)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9451013/Princeton-selecting-fewer-white-students-year.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These universities were publicly advertising that they wanted 'first generation' students. Hopkins president came out and said he didn't want legacy. My husband was a first generation JHU student so it's crazy that our kid will be dinged because his dad went there.

Princeton advertised that 68% of their student body is mixed race. That makes me very leery of what people are claiming on their applications. Hello Pocahontas Warren wannabes.

That's impossible--less than 10% of the US population under 18 years old is biracial/mixed race. I think you mean people of color or non-white. I found this that supports your 68% number: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9451013/Princeton-selecting-fewer-white-students-year.html

Princeton announced its 2025 class on Thursday; 68% are non-white (black, Asian, Hispanic and other races)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9451013/Princeton-selecting-fewer-white-students-year.html

I have read studies that universities used test optional to drive up non-whites for a few years. VA Tech like Hopkins is gunning for first generation students and minorities too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These universities were publicly advertising that they wanted 'first generation' students. Hopkins president came out and said he didn't want legacy. My husband was a first generation JHU student so it's crazy that our kid will be dinged because his dad went there.

Princeton advertised that 68% of their student body is mixed race. That makes me very leery of what people are claiming on their applications. Hello Pocahontas Warren wannabes.

That's impossible--less than 10% of the US population under 18 years old is biracial/mixed race. I think you mean people of color or non-white. I found this that supports your 68% number: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9451013/Princeton-selecting-fewer-white-students-year.html

Princeton announced its 2025 class on Thursday; 68% are non-white (black, Asian, Hispanic and other races)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9451013/Princeton-selecting-fewer-white-students-year.html

I have read studies that universities used test optional to drive up non-whites for a few years. VA Tech like Hopkins is gunning for first generation students and minorities too.

Can you link to those studies?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These universities were publicly advertising that they wanted 'first generation' students. Hopkins president came out and said he didn't want legacy. My husband was a first generation JHU student so it's crazy that our kid will be dinged because his dad went there.

Princeton advertised that 68% of their student body is mixed race. That makes me very leery of what people are claiming on their applications. Hello Pocahontas Warren wannabes.

That's impossible--less than 10% of the US population under 18 years old is biracial/mixed race. I think you mean people of color or non-white. I found this that supports your 68% number: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9451013/Princeton-selecting-fewer-white-students-year.html

Princeton announced its 2025 class on Thursday; 68% are non-white (black, Asian, Hispanic and other races)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9451013/Princeton-selecting-fewer-white-students-year.html

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I have read studies that universities used test optional to drive up non-whites for a few years. VA Tech like Hopkins is gunning for first generation students and minorities too.

Can you link to those studies?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The same number of kids got into Ivies this year, as last year, as the schools have not changed the number of kids admitted.

But the unis may have changed their goals for admission - two easy examples, maybe they are admitting more international students or wanted more geo diversity within the US.

so would this mean a dual citizen would have a potential boost for admissions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These universities were publicly advertising that they wanted 'first generation' students. Hopkins president came out and said he didn't want legacy. My husband was a first generation JHU student so it's crazy that our kid will be dinged because his dad went there.

Princeton advertised that 68% of their student body is mixed race. That makes me very leery of what people are claiming on their applications. Hello Pocahontas Warren wannabes.

That's impossible--less than 10% of the US population under 18 years old is biracial/mixed race. I think you mean people of color or non-white. I found this that supports your 68% number: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9451013/Princeton-selecting-fewer-white-students-year.html

Princeton announced its 2025 class on Thursday; 68% are non-white (black, Asian, Hispanic and other races)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9451013/Princeton-selecting-fewer-white-students-year.html

lol. Nonwhite is not the same thing as multiracial…

[Anonymous]

Name a top 25 school where black or brown students represent more than 30% of the student body, and where Asian students aren't over represented (based on US population or the state).