MD Dems better not nominate a Progressive this time around

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Anonymous wrote:My Anne Arundel neighborhood is full of people who vote mixed tickets, hate Trump, liked Hogan. Don’t forget there’s a lot more to MD than MoCo…

Please try to get through to them that we need to vote Blue at all levels of government, to protect girls and women, and to prevent the country being awash in guns. Pick the most centrist Democrat if you want.

Who is going to look out for our kids? Which of the Democrats will admit that closing schools for over a year was a bad idea? Which of the Democrats will stand up against any type of vaccine mandates for kids (and adults)?

The Democrats let our kids down during Covid. I need to see some acknowledgment of that failure.

You'd vote for Dan Cox because some Democrat closed schools? Yikes, you sound very intelligent

DP who will not vote for Cox but too many democrats still have their head in the sand about how closing schools will cost them. People tend to vote on the issues that have affected them the most.

And yeah, I’m on a neighborhood progressive listserv where folks are still gunning for the most progressive candidate and squabbling over whether Perez or King would be better. They are horrified about Franchot (and Goldberg for county council) and have questions about Moore’s bonafides. I do t have a lot of confidence about winning in November.

Franchot sizes up quite well against Schulz

I think Moore does just fine too without the Franchot baggage. The rest of the group would lose to Schulz and a few, like King, could even lose to Cox.

No...absolutely not.

There's only one candidate, a literal socialist (Jerome Segal, polling at less than 1%) and even then, I'm not so sure.

You underestimate just how unlikable Trump republicans are in MD to the overall electorate. Dan Cox is a Trump backed official that has no appeal outside of the Eastern Shore, Western MD and parts of Southern MD. He would perform historically awful in, PG, Baltimore County, the City, Charles, Howard, AA and MoCo. Practically any Democrat would beat him in an election, which is why Dems are itching to run against him. He has shown no inclination to moderate his Trumpist views like say a Youngkin in VA.

He's the MD equivalent of Amanda Chase and would all but ensure a Democrat victory in November if he were nominated.

I live in AA county and have come across a lot of Cox voters. As Trump illustrated in 2016, anything is possible. My biggest fear is a Cox vs Moore or Perez in the general. I'd be less nervous with Cox vs. Franchot.

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Anonymous wrote:My Anne Arundel neighborhood is full of people who vote mixed tickets, hate Trump, liked Hogan. Don’t forget there’s a lot more to MD than MoCo…

Please try to get through to them that we need to vote Blue at all levels of government, to protect girls and women, and to prevent the country being awash in guns. Pick the most centrist Democrat if you want.

Who is going to look out for our kids? Which of the Democrats will admit that closing schools for over a year was a bad idea? Which of the Democrats will stand up against any type of vaccine mandates for kids (and adults)?

The Democrats let our kids down during Covid. I need to see some acknowledgment of that failure.

You'd vote for Dan Cox because some Democrat closed schools? Yikes, you sound very intelligent

DP who will not vote for Cox but too many democrats still have their head in the sand about how closing schools will cost them. People tend to vote on the issues that have affected them the most.

And yeah, I’m on a neighborhood progressive listserv where folks are still gunning for the most progressive candidate and squabbling over whether Perez or King would be better. They are horrified about Franchot (and Goldberg for county council) and have questions about Moore’s bonafides. I do t have a lot of confidence about winning in November.

Franchot sizes up quite well against Schulz

I think Moore does just fine too without the Franchot baggage. The rest of the group would lose to Schulz and a few, like King, could even lose to Cox.

No...absolutely not.

There's only one candidate, a literal socialist (Jerome Segal, polling at less than 1%) and even then, I'm not so sure.

You underestimate just how unlikable Trump republicans are in MD to the overall electorate. Dan Cox is a Trump backed official that has no appeal outside of the Eastern Shore, Western MD and parts of Southern MD. He would perform historically awful in, PG, Baltimore County, the City, Charles, Howard, AA and MoCo. Practically any Democrat would beat him in an election, which is why Dems are itching to run against him. He has shown no inclination to moderate his Trumpist views like say a Youngkin in VA.

He's the MD equivalent of Amanda Chase and would all but ensure a Democrat victory in November if he were nominated.

King has no relationship to this state. He’s totally unknown. Never previously involved in state or local policies. Hasn’t even volunteered for his local PTA or community association. And his politics are left wing. He looks like an opportunist. It’s Ben Jealous Part 2.

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The vast majority of the general electorate would rather stomach a Progressive over a Trump Republican, this has been captured in polling.

Maryland is NOT Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of the general electorate would rather stomach a Progressive over a Trump Republican, this has been captured in polling.

Maryland is NOT Virginia

True. But Schulz is not a Trump Republican. Cox is.

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of the general electorate would rather stomach a Progressive over a Trump Republican, this has been captured in polling.

Maryland is NOT Virginia

True. But Schulz is not a Trump Republican. Cox is.

Yes and the previous posters were referring to the idea that Cox has a shot against someone like King or Perez and he does not. Schulz is a whole other ballgame, which is why Democrats are hoping Cox wins.

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I don’t care who the Democrat is. I am voting Democrat. This country has been going down the tubes one state at a time. At this point any Republican vote is a bad vote. I see how Republican office holders can be influenced by their crazy right wing conservative voters. And I don’t care how crazy progressive a Democrat can be, it’s nowhere near as dangerous as a crazy conservative

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of the general electorate would rather stomach a Progressive over a Trump Republican, this has been captured in polling.

Maryland is NOT Virginia

Maryland is not Virginia, but Montgomery County is not Maryland. Voters across the state prefer candidates they know and politicians with Maryland roots. You might be able to move to Montgomery County to be in a DC suburb and run and win to get on the council due to affiliation with a DC job and national politics, however this doesn’t work in the rest of the state. As a result, even Dan Cox would almost certainly win over King.

Maryland voters for Governor also have traditionally rejected the political hack, party machine candidates, which is Perez. He is similar in the same mound as a Kennedy Townsend or Brown. Dud politicians with strong party support. Maryland general election voters have proven that they just don’t like these candidates that seem like they are being thrust on them.

People forget Ehrlich, but he was a Dan Cox style Trump Republican before Trump and Maryland voters had no problem electing him over Kennedy Townsend.

So both King and Perez would almost certainly result in a D loss regardless of who is running on the R side. I think Moore is a bit tricky, because he has all these negatives but he’s viewed as being strongly pro-business. So I think he will prevail over Cox because he will get enough of the Frederick, Howard and Baltimore County votes. However, he will have a tough time with Schulz.

The reality is that this is going to be a low turnout election. Contrary to the narrative, Democratic voters will not be energized by abortion but demoralized. Republican voters will be energized by the court and the “Biden economy”, which is going to be a serious drag.

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Anonymous wrote:There's also this:

https://www.marylandmatters.org/2022/06/30/at-raucous-rally-hogan-and-schulz-accuse-democrats-of-meddling-in-marylands-gop-primary/

It's not an accusation- its a fact. The DGA poured a million bucks into Cox ads. They would much rather face him than Schulz, who could actually win.

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of the general electorate would rather stomach a Progressive over a Trump Republican, this has been captured in polling.

Maryland is NOT Virginia

Maryland is not Virginia, but Montgomery County is not Maryland. Voters across the state prefer candidates they know and politicians with Maryland roots. You might be able to move to Montgomery County to be in a DC suburb and run and win to get on the council due to affiliation with a DC job and national politics, however this doesn’t work in the rest of the state. As a result, even Dan Cox would almost certainly win over King.

Maryland voters for Governor also have traditionally rejected the political hack, party machine candidates, which is Perez. He is similar in the same mound as a Kennedy Townsend or Brown. Dud politicians with strong party support. Maryland general election voters have proven that they just don’t like these candidates that seem like they are being thrust on them.

People forget Ehrlich, but he was a Dan Cox style Trump Republican before Trump and Maryland voters had no problem electing him over Kennedy Townsend.

So both King and Perez would almost certainly result in a D loss regardless of who is running on the R side. I think Moore is a bit tricky, because he has all these negatives but he’s viewed as being strongly pro-business. So I think he will prevail over Cox because he will get enough of the Frederick, Howard and Baltimore County votes. However, he will have a tough time with Schulz.

The reality is that this is going to be a low turnout election. Contrary to the narrative, Democratic voters will not be energized by abortion but demoralized. Republican voters will be energized by the court and the “Biden economy”, which is going to be a serious drag.

This is how I know you have no idea what you're talking about -- all the polling data shows that dems are energized and enraged, not demoralized.

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Polls have shown Abortion has actually energized Dems. There's a good chance we end up with a Dem controlled Senate and Republican controlled House as opposed to a Wave election.

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OK this is interesting:

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No one even knows who Ed Markey is in MD except for the hyper political beltway people that live in Montgomery County. It might help him over Perez in the few places that people are voting for Perez. And it might be an endorsement to spite Perez for his time as head of DNC due to fending off a party supported primary challenge from a Kennedy.

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Not that interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:No one even knows who Ed Markey is in MD except for the hyper political beltway people that live in Montgomery County. It might help him over Perez in the few places that people are voting for Perez. And it might be an endorsement to spite Perez for his time as head of DNC due to fending off a party supported primary challenge from a Kennedy.

Who do you think is voting in a low turnout primary in July during summer vacation?

Markey is basically saying that Franchot has progressive bona fides so you can feel comfortable voting for the old white guy who lives in Takoma Park and has won statewide elections. Hell, people split their ticket for Hogan and Franchot in past years.

This primary really is style over substance. I see little daylight between the candidates when it comes to policies they would enact.

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Anonymous wrote:No one even knows who Ed Markey is in MD except for the hyper political beltway people that live in Montgomery County. It might help him over Perez in the few places that people are voting for Perez. And it might be an endorsement to spite Perez for his time as head of DNC due to fending off a party supported primary challenge from a Kennedy.

Who do you think is voting in a low turnout primary in July during summer vacation?

Markey is basically saying that Franchot has progressive bona fides so you can feel comfortable voting for the old white guy who lives in Takoma Park and has won statewide elections. Hell, people split their ticket for Hogan and Franchot in past years.

This primary really is style over substance. I see little daylight between the candidates when it comes to policies they would enact.

It’s a statewide election.