Which schools accepted your 4.3 - 4.4 TJ kid?

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Anonymous wrote:What is all this woke bullshit? I was at a recent event at VT and the CS students were 85% Asian and white males, with a handful of girls and and even smaller number of black and Latino students. Show me one CS or engineering department in this country that's not overwhelmingly white and Asian. Go ahead, I'll wait. The numbers don't lie, but all the "woke" talk is just like stop the steal - total bullshit to push a political narrative.

People have to find a scapegoat when their kid doesn't make the cut. Look at the number of white and Asian kid at most schools that DCUM complains about and you'll see that the "white and Asian kids never get in posters" are completely disengienuois. They are just trying to blame other URMs (easy targets) for the fact that their kid didn't get accepted to the school they "thought" the kid should.

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

That's tough, should have stayed at the base school

Folks, it's obvious now TJ is a net negative on college admissions, there are too many folks with very similar profiles.

TJ has been a net negative for a long time, but parent who needed bragging rights to say their kids got into TJ just couldn't see beyond that need. DC's friend early on said she wanted to be a lawyer (of course who knows what she will end up really doing) but her parents insisted that she should go to TJ. She got into TJ and now regrets it after seeing where top students at the base school got in versus where she got in. But for the rest of her life her parents can say she went to TJ.

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Why do TJ kids need to go to college for CS at all? They know more CS after TJ than the majority of CS college graduates. They can just apply for a job directly out of TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Try having a son with these stats - they fare much worse than girls applying to CS schools, and not just with CMU and the Ivies. When my son was at TJ a few years ago, the girls in CS (fewer in number) had much better early action results than the boys, who oftentimes had better CS grades/ECs. Colleges have a higher acceptance rate for girls in CS, and TJ was a good place to find them.

We went to a CS session at CMU and they were looking for 50/50 males/females and kids from as many states and high schools as possible. Given the number of slots available, that made it clear that it would be nearly impossible for my (male) kid to get in.

Not the PP. I have a DD and a DS and my DD is older. This is just my perspective. You don't have to agree to this. Both of my kids are high-achieving and into CS. My DS follows his sister's footsteps, so course load is the same. Both eat the same food I cook but what I am noticing is my DS has much more energy than my DD. He can go on with just 2 -3 hours of sleep but my DD needs atleast 7-8 hrs of sleep to function normally. Because of this, my DS could participate in many competitions/hackathons that my DD cannot without sacrificing her health (so doesn't participate beyond her healthy limit). DS is going to prestigious residential STEM summer camp this year. My DD didn't even apply when she was his age because only a few girls get accepted to that camp and we were not ready to send our DD for a residential camp at that age. Hypothetically, if both my DD and DS have the same academic/EC achievements and my DD gets into a better CS school than my DS, I wouldn't be upset because he had more time (energy) and opportunities than his sister but he didn't achieve any better.

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Try having a son with these stats - they fare much worse than girls applying to CS schools, and not just with CMU and the Ivies. When my son was at TJ a few years ago, the girls in CS (fewer in number) had much better early action results than the boys, who oftentimes had better CS grades/ECs. Colleges have a higher acceptance rate for girls in CS, and TJ was a good place to find them.

We went to a CS session at CMU and they were looking for 50/50 males/females and kids from as many states and high schools as possible. Given the number of slots available, that made it clear that it would be nearly impossible for my (male) kid to get in.

At admitted student day at CMU they said acceptance rate for CS program was 3.4%.

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Anonymous wrote:NP Does anyone know why TJ kids don't choose Georgia Tech? Is it that they don't get in or they choose not to go?

I have no idea. I saw in 2021 college destinations, there were 3 kids that went to Georgia Tech.

DD was accepted this year to CS there and was thrilled. By that time, she had a few acceptances but GA Tech became her first choice right away. She said she’ll definitely go there even if CMU or Cornell accept her too. We visited it during the spring break, and two of her classmates were also touring it at the same time (she met two, there could have been even more). However, she ended up committing to another great college that all of a sudden offered her a full ride.

Congratulations!

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Anonymous wrote:What is all this woke bullshit? I was at a recent event at VT and the CS students were 85% Asian and white males, with a handful of girls and and even smaller number of black and Latino students. Show me one CS or engineering department in this country that's not overwhelmingly white and Asian. Go ahead, I'll wait. The numbers don't lie, but all the "woke" talk is just like stop the steal - total bullshit to push a political narrative.

+100. This has been my experience when DS chose CU Boulder and when we visited the Colorado School of Mines.

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Anonymous wrote:NP Does anyone know why TJ kids don't choose Georgia Tech? Is it that they don't get in or they choose not to go?

It is an expensive OOS school?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid graduated TJHSST with a 4.46 weighted GPA (slightly lower when she was actually applying to colleges), varsity athlete in 2 sports and debate. He was rejected by the few Ivys he applied to but got into Pitt Honors, UVA Echols, UMichigan, Northwestern, Carnegie Mellon and Williams.

Must not be white or Asian. Whites and Asians don't get in anywhere.

Yeah that's why the class of 2022 Instagram acceptance accounts are 100% white and asian kids.

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Anonymous wrote:What is all this woke bullshit? I was at a recent event at VT and the CS students were 85% Asian and white males, with a handful of girls and and even smaller number of black and Latino students. Show me one CS or engineering department in this country that's not overwhelmingly white and Asian. Go ahead, I'll wait. The numbers don't lie, but all the "woke" talk is just like stop the steal - total bullshit to push a political narrative.

+100. This has been my experience when DS chose CU Boulder and when we visited the Colorado School of Mines.

Lol so your high stat white/asian kids are going to VT and CU while the low stat URMs are going to T20s congrats!

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Anonymous wrote:NP Does anyone know why TJ kids don't choose Georgia Tech? Is it that they don't get in or they choose not to go?

It is an expensive OOS school?

No, it is definitely not expensive for OOS. GA Tech OOS is around 50K while UVA's in-state comes around 45K!

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Its not as much of a lottery as some try to convinces themselves

The ivies are seeking exceptionalism which could include but not necessarily be restricted to GPA and have distinguished themselves their multi-centuries consistent abilities to identify and select exceptional individuals

So the question is who should Harvard take, your kid who scored a 1580 or Al Gore who scored 1355. Your kid could certainly be more talented with better future success than Al Gore, but obviously Gore was a very successful admit by any measure. Other SAT scores:

George Bush: Yale (Governor, President + Veteran) - 1200
John Kerry: Yale (Senator, Secretary of State, etc. + US Navy veteran awarded the Silver Star and Bronze Star with valor) - 1190
Bill Clinton: Georgetown, not ivy but elite (Governor, President) - 1030
Al Franken: Harvard (Comedian, Senator) - 1020

Also, David Hogg was admitted to Harvard with a 1270

Not necessarily a fan of any of the above but objectively they seem to know how to identify and "pick" exceptional talent

These people are old what is your point? (except for David Hogg). George Bush and John Kerry went to NE boarding schools where they literally could just sign up for Yale like you were signing up for rec soccer. Al Franken went to a prep school in Minnesota that also would have made Ivy admissions extremely easy. I assume Bill Clinton was top of his class to be able to get into Georgetown with scholarships. His SAT was solid (especially coming from a public school in Arkansas). None of these (except David Hogg) have any bearing on Ivy league admissions for today's seniors.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Try having a son with these stats - they fare much worse than girls applying to CS schools, and not just with CMU and the Ivies. When my son was at TJ a few years ago, the girls in CS (fewer in number) had much better early action results than the boys, who oftentimes had better CS grades/ECs. Colleges have a higher acceptance rate for girls in CS, and TJ was a good place to find them.

We went to a CS session at CMU and they were looking for 50/50 males/females and kids from as many states and high schools as possible. Given the number of slots available, that made it clear that it would be nearly impossible for my (male) kid to get in.

Not the PP. I have a DD and a DS and my DD is older. This is just my perspective. You don't have to agree to this. Both of my kids are high-achieving and into CS. My DS follows his sister's footsteps, so course load is the same. Both eat the same food I cook but what I am noticing is my DS has much more energy than my DD. He can go on with just 2 -3 hours of sleep but my DD needs atleast 7-8 hrs of sleep to function normally. Because of this, my DS could participate in many competitions/hackathons that my DD cannot without sacrificing her health (so doesn't participate beyond her healthy limit). DS is going to prestigious residential STEM summer camp this year. My DD didn't even apply when she was his age because only a few girls get accepted to that camp and we were not ready to send our DD for a residential camp at that age. Hypothetically, if both my DD and DS have the same academic/EC achievements and my DD gets into a better CS school than my DS, I wouldn't be upset because he had more time (energy) and opportunities than his sister but he didn't achieve any better.

I agree with you on the energy level. I see the same in my kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Its not as much of a lottery as some try to convinces themselves

The ivies are seeking exceptionalism which could include but not necessarily be restricted to GPA and have distinguished themselves their multi-centuries consistent abilities to identify and select exceptional individuals

So the question is who should Harvard take, your kid who scored a 1580 or Al Gore who scored 1355. Your kid could certainly be more talented with better future success than Al Gore, but obviously Gore was a very successful admit by any measure. Other SAT scores:

George Bush: Yale (Governor, President + Veteran) - 1200
John Kerry: Yale (Senator, Secretary of State, etc. + US Navy veteran awarded the Silver Star and Bronze Star with valor) - 1190
Bill Clinton: Georgetown, not ivy but elite (Governor, President) - 1030
Al Franken: Harvard (Comedian, Senator) - 1020

Also, David Hogg was admitted to Harvard with a 1270

Not necessarily a fan of any of the above but objectively they seem to know how to identify and "pick" exceptional talent

These people are old what is your point? (except for David Hogg). George Bush and John Kerry went to NE boarding schools where they literally could just sign up for Yale like you were signing up for rec soccer. Al Franken went to a prep school in Minnesota that also would have made Ivy admissions extremely easy. I assume Bill Clinton was top of his class to be able to get into Georgetown with scholarships. His SAT was solid (especially coming from a public school in Arkansas). None of these (except David Hogg) have any bearing on Ivy league admissions for today's seniors.

Also going to a boarding school today does not guarantee admissions like you think it does especially if coming from a non-URM middle class background

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Another approach if you want grad study in CS and DC is very strong is apply for physics or applied math, take some CS classes, do some computational research (often faculty in thesr departments are happier to have a good coding strong student doing summer work since many of the grad students are not as skilled there) and take the GRE.

The same approach can work for Econ, the most important undergrad grade for an Econ PhD applicant is now real analysis