Northeastern early admit issue??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges like UC Berkeley, Emory, and others actually got caught 'gaminig/cheating' rankings, but never heard of Northeastern.
Looks like the penelty is pretty big if you get caught.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherrim/2019/07/26/uc-berkeley-removed-from-us-news-college-rankings-for-misreporting-statistics/?sh=4dea36b17578

https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2012/08/emory-intentionally.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/poetsandquants/2021/04/17/a-warning-shot-for-deans-who-game-college-rankings/?sh=256e580926c5

Fascinating...THIS is actually deceptive stuff. To my knowledge, nobody has accused Northeastern of doing anything deceptive...in fact, the criticism has always been how openly they made decisions based on the USNews ranking factors. (e.g., okay, U.S. News cares about % of classes under 20 students....let's push most of our classes to be just under 20 students.)

To be clear, I don't think that's a great way to make decisions, but it's not criminal. It is really interesting that nobody talks about these cases re: Berkeley/Emory...

+1

Thanks for the info!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. It’s hard not to be a bit creeped out by NE’s naked gaming of the rankings system. And my senior and friends at her big 3 are well aware of that. That being said, they don’t think it’s a joke at all.

All of DC is creeped out by the fact that you refer to your kid's school as one of the "big 3".

Glad to be of service

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges like UC Berkeley, Emory, and others actually got caught 'gaminig/cheating' rankings, but never heard of Northeastern.
Looks like the penelty is pretty big if you get caught.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherrim/2019/07/26/uc-berkeley-removed-from-us-news-college-rankings-for-misreporting-statistics/?sh=4dea36b17578

https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2012/08/emory-intentionally.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/poetsandquants/2021/04/17/a-warning-shot-for-deans-who-game-college-rankings/?sh=256e580926c5

Fascinating...THIS is actually deceptive stuff. To my knowledge, nobody has accused Northeastern of doing anything deceptive...in fact, the criticism has always been how openly they made decisions based on the USNews ranking factors. (e.g., okay, U.S. News cares about % of classes under 20 students....let's push most of our classes to be just under 20 students.)

To be clear, I don't think that's a great way to make decisions, but it's not criminal. It is really interesting that nobody talks about these cases re: Berkeley/Emory...

Because it's Berkeley and Emory. They're already top schools, a slight scandal won't change that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD applied (and got in) mostly because she had heard about it from other people and liked the online info sessions. Oh, and no supplemental essays was a bonus.
It's not her first choice b/c she's heard from kids she knows who are there that it's not that fun. To me, that's not a bad thing. I love that there are no frats/sororities.

There's definitely a herd mentality amongst kids that turns a school hot. You can complain about NE juicing up their rankings but the truth is that now they are attracting a very high caliber group of kids. I have to believe that by being in Boston they attract good profs as well.

Out of curiosity, are these kids having a bad social experience or were they just hoping for more of a party school? My DD definitely doesn't want a big party/Greek school and is intrigued by NU but I would worry about a school that is not fun (e.g., U Chicago)...

It's nothing different than any other colleges, and all depends on the kid.
It may not have a huge school spirit with a big football team or Greek Life party scenes but it's got a little bit of everything.
It has a nice campus and a bunch of clubs you can explore.
It has division I hockey team with a good rivalry going on with BU and BC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KsztqO2_jo
Boston is generally a fun spot for college students.
 
One thing is that if you made some friends, and if their coop is on a different schedule, then you might lose those friends for a year or two. 

This is what I've heard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges like UC Berkeley, Emory, and others actually got caught 'gaminig/cheating' rankings, but never heard of Northeastern.
Looks like the penelty is pretty big if you get caught.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherrim/2019/07/26/uc-berkeley-removed-from-us-news-college-rankings-for-misreporting-statistics/?sh=4dea36b17578

https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2012/08/emory-intentionally.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/poetsandquants/2021/04/17/a-warning-shot-for-deans-who-game-college-rankings/?sh=256e580926c5

Fascinating...THIS is actually deceptive stuff. To my knowledge, nobody has accused Northeastern of doing anything deceptive...in fact, the criticism has always been how openly they made decisions based on the USNews ranking factors. (e.g., okay, U.S. News cares about % of classes under 20 students....let's push most of our classes to be just under 20 students.)

To be clear, I don't think that's a great way to make decisions, but it's not criminal. It is really interesting that nobody talks about these cases re: Berkeley/Emory...

Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with a college saying, huh, smaller classes in college make the school better, so lets do that. It actually does make the college better. If you see what you are being evaluated on and make positive changes to be better, that is a good thing, no?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What data?

I think the person is asking if there's a actual data or source about kids now prefer schools in/adjacent to cities.

I don't think there's actual data, but the trend is real.

The trend is definitely seen in the DMV schools that my kids and my friends' kids go to anyway...all these kids want city schools (preferably on the coasts but there's some flexibility on that). Really high ranked/high stats kids from DC's school are much more likely to apply to U Penn/Columbia/Brown/Hopkins/U Chicago/Northwestern than Dartmouth/Princeton as their reaches; they are not applying to rural or small town SLACs (think Bowdoin/Bates/Kenyon/Carleton) but are applying to schools like Occidental, Fordham, and Macalester in droves.

The part about SLACs is not true. The first group is still getting tons of apps and people select these schools over the lower ranked ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges like UC Berkeley, Emory, and others actually got caught 'gaminig/cheating' rankings, but never heard of Northeastern.
Looks like the penelty is pretty big if you get caught.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherrim/2019/07/26/uc-berkeley-removed-from-us-news-college-rankings-for-misreporting-statistics/?sh=4dea36b17578

https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2012/08/emory-intentionally.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/poetsandquants/2021/04/17/a-warning-shot-for-deans-who-game-college-rankings/?sh=256e580926c5

Fascinating...THIS is actually deceptive stuff. To my knowledge, nobody has accused Northeastern of doing anything deceptive...in fact, the criticism has always been how openly they made decisions based on the USNews ranking factors. (e.g., okay, U.S. News cares about % of classes under 20 students....let's push most of our classes to be just under 20 students.)

To be clear, I don't think that's a great way to make decisions, but it's not criminal. It is really interesting that nobody talks about these cases re: Berkeley/Emory...

Because it's Berkeley and Emory. They're already top schools, a slight scandal won't change that.

So when Berkeley and Emory actually cheat and get caught, it's a slight scandal, who cares.
However when Northeastern legitimately goes up in ranking doing good things, it's uh... what? LOL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD applied (and got in) mostly because she had heard about it from other people and liked the online info sessions. Oh, and no supplemental essays was a bonus.
It's not her first choice b/c she's heard from kids she knows who are there that it's not that fun. To me, that's not a bad thing. I love that there are no frats/sororities.

There's definitely a herd mentality amongst kids that turns a school hot. You can complain about NE juicing up their rankings but the truth is that now they are attracting a very high caliber group of kids. I have to believe that by being in Boston they attract good profs as well.

Out of curiosity, are these kids having a bad social experience or were they just hoping for more of a party school? My DD definitely doesn't want a big party/Greek school and is intrigued by NU but I would worry about a school that is not fun (e.g., U Chicago)...

It's nothing different than any other colleges, and all depends on the kid.
It may not have a huge school spirit with a big football team or Greek Life party scenes but it's got a little bit of everything.
It has a nice campus and a bunch of clubs you can explore.
It has division I hockey team with a good rivalry going on with BU and BC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KsztqO2_jo
Boston is generally a fun spot for college students.
 
One thing is that if you made some friends, and if their coop is on a different schedule, then you might lose those friends for a year or two. 

This is what I've heard.

No, not necessarily true if they stay in Boston. My student lives with two of her friends —2 are on a different cycle than her. But all are in Boston. The biggest difference is that 2 go to work all day and come home without homework, lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD applied (and got in) mostly because she had heard about it from other people and liked the online info sessions. Oh, and no supplemental essays was a bonus.
It's not her first choice b/c she's heard from kids she knows who are there that it's not that fun. To me, that's not a bad thing. I love that there are no frats/sororities.

There's definitely a herd mentality amongst kids that turns a school hot. You can complain about NE juicing up their rankings but the truth is that now they are attracting a very high caliber group of kids. I have to believe that by being in Boston they attract good profs as well.

Out of curiosity, are these kids having a bad social experience or were they just hoping for more of a party school? My DD definitely doesn't want a big party/Greek school and is intrigued by NU but I would worry about a school that is not fun (e.g., U Chicago)...

It's nothing different than any other colleges, and all depends on the kid.
It may not have a huge school spirit with a big football team or Greek Life party scenes but it's got a little bit of everything.
It has a nice campus and a bunch of clubs you can explore.
It has division I hockey team with a good rivalry going on with BU and BC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KsztqO2_jo
Boston is generally a fun spot for college students.
 
One thing is that if you made some friends, and if their coop is on a different schedule, then you might lose those friends for a year or two. 

This is what I've heard.

No, not necessarily true if they stay in Boston. My student lives with two of her friends —2 are on a different cycle than her. But all are in Boston. The biggest difference is that 2 go to work all day and come home without homework, lol.

This actaully sounds really fun lol.
Yes I was going to add that many kids do the coop in Boston area then you can still have fun with your friends around the city of Boston.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD applied (and got in) mostly because she had heard about it from other people and liked the online info sessions. Oh, and no supplemental essays was a bonus.
It's not her first choice b/c she's heard from kids she knows who are there that it's not that fun. To me, that's not a bad thing. I love that there are no frats/sororities.

There's definitely a herd mentality amongst kids that turns a school hot. You can complain about NE juicing up their rankings but the truth is that now they are attracting a very high caliber group of kids. I have to believe that by being in Boston they attract good profs as well.

Out of curiosity, are these kids having a bad social experience or were they just hoping for more of a party school? My DD definitely doesn't want a big party/Greek school and is intrigued by NU but I would worry about a school that is not fun (e.g., U Chicago)...

It's nothing different than any other colleges, and all depends on the kid.
It may not have a huge school spirit with a big football team or Greek Life party scenes but it's got a little bit of everything.
It has a nice campus and a bunch of clubs you can explore.
It has division I hockey team with a good rivalry going on with BU and BC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KsztqO2_jo
Boston is generally a fun spot for college students.
 
One thing is that if you made some friends, and if their coop is on a different schedule, then you might lose those friends for a year or two. 

This is what I've heard.

No, not necessarily true if they stay in Boston. My student lives with two of her friends —2 are on a different cycle than her. But all are in Boston. The biggest difference is that 2 go to work all day and come home without homework, lol.

This actaully sounds really fun lol.
Yes I was going to add that many kids do the coop in Boston area then you can still have fun with your friends around the city of Boston.

Can they live in NU housing while on Co-Ops or are they living off campus?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD applied (and got in) mostly because she had heard about it from other people and liked the online info sessions. Oh, and no supplemental essays was a bonus.
It's not her first choice b/c she's heard from kids she knows who are there that it's not that fun. To me, that's not a bad thing. I love that there are no frats/sororities.

There's definitely a herd mentality amongst kids that turns a school hot. You can complain about NE juicing up their rankings but the truth is that now they are attracting a very high caliber group of kids. I have to believe that by being in Boston they attract good profs as well.

Out of curiosity, are these kids having a bad social experience or were they just hoping for more of a party school? My DD definitely doesn't want a big party/Greek school and is intrigued by NU but I would worry about a school that is not fun (e.g., U Chicago)...

It's nothing different than any other colleges, and all depends on the kid.
It may not have a huge school spirit with a big football team or Greek Life party scenes but it's got a little bit of everything.
It has a nice campus and a bunch of clubs you can explore.
It has division I hockey team with a good rivalry going on with BU and BC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KsztqO2_jo
Boston is generally a fun spot for college students.
 
One thing is that if you made some friends, and if their coop is on a different schedule, then you might lose those friends for a year or two. 

This is what I've heard.

No, not necessarily true if they stay in Boston. My student lives with two of her friends —2 are on a different cycle than her. But all are in Boston. The biggest difference is that 2 go to work all day and come home without homework, lol.

This actaully sounds really fun lol.
Yes I was going to add that many kids do the coop in Boston area then you can still have fun with your friends around the city of Boston.

Can they live in NU housing while on Co-Ops or are they living off campus?

There’s a 2 year requirement to stay in on-campus housing. So, for spring cycle sophomores, they are living on-campus. After that, many move off campus. During the height of Covid, housing have out exemptions to this rule.

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[Anonymous]

But, in general, when they are upper classmen and if they have co-ops in Boston, are they able to live on campus? I'm just thinking that Boston housing is so hard to find? Or maybe not? It's been a long time since I lived there...maybe they prefer to live off campus...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But, in general, when they are upper classmen and if they have co-ops in Boston, are they able to live on campus? I'm just thinking that Boston housing is so hard to find? Or maybe not? It's been a long time since I lived there...maybe they prefer to live off campus...

Housing is guaranteed for all 4 years. Only required for 2 years. It’s not super difficult to find housing for college students in Boston. Some may argue there is a savings for moving off campus because you don’t need a meal plan. NU Off Campus Housing is a great help and will review leases for free for students. There is also a healthy sublet market since there are so many students coming and going for various reasons including co-op.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But, in general, when they are upper classmen and if they have co-ops in Boston, are they able to live on campus? I'm just thinking that Boston housing is so hard to find? Or maybe not? It's been a long time since I lived there...maybe they prefer to live off campus...

I don't belive they have dorm spaces for studens in coop period.
However NU has some housing proprities in major cities like NY, San Francisco, etc. and especially in Boston.
So a lot of students in coop take advantage of the arrangement.