Are seed oils the worst culprit in our processed food addiction?

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Anonymous wrote:I found a video by a woman now living in Germany. Her eating habits have not changed since moving, still eating processed foods like sugar cereal and hot pockets, yet she lost 15 pounds.

She contributes it to the lack of additives and chemicals in their food compared to US food. She posted the box nutrition info for a sugar cereal found there and the US and the ingredients there was very short compared to the huge list on the US box.

I am more inclined to agree with her than this oils theory.

Though I've long believed based on the experiences of my large extended family that one of the key factors in obesity and obesity-related health problems is stress and trauma. There has been some research around this but it doesn't get talked about because it's much harder to address than identifying a few ingredients in foot that you can simply avoid. The research on stress and trauma is like "If you experienced a certain number of childhood traumas, you need years of therapy and anti-depressants and you might successfully avoid getting heart disease and diabetes."

It's much easier to say 'the problem is canola oil."

Stress is not the reason why there’s an obesity epidemic in America. That’s silly. It’s food. The crap we eat. Are Haitians obese? They have more stress and trauma than anyone.

Exactly.
YouTube “Tucker Goodrich” for some excellent research about how the seed oils are the most egregious substance driving us into chronic diseases of all kinds. We need to learn about this...

Stop getting your medical information from freaking YOUTUBE.

He’s a tech bro. Ha!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My invested interests are in accuracy of information, not in feeling important by pushing some simplistic idea with a few grains of truth -- but which ignores the complexity of multifactorial problems so that I can rant at people and feel good.

How about you?

Optimal health is anything but simple. Let’s be honest.
You may focus on genes, but most of us know that our daily lifestyle choices have the most power.

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Anonymous wrote:My invested interests are in accuracy of information, not in feeling important by pushing some simplistic idea with a few grains of truth -- but which ignores the complexity of multifactorial problems so that I can rant at people and feel good.

How about you?

Optimal health is anything but simple. Let’s be honest.
You may focus on genes, but most of us know that our daily lifestyle choices have the most power.

I don't focus on genes. I correct people who reduce everything to problems with diet alone.

I don't object to anyone pointing out that diet and lifestyle changes can help, sometimes more and sometimes less, but generally -- yes, can help. Stick to that and you aren't hurting anybody.

Tell someone with a genetic disorder that she is turning to drugs too fast and needs to cut out canola oil? All-caps! Ranting! OneTrueAnswer! Now, that is where you get into feeling good about the charge you get instead of either being accurate or helping her. Stop that part.

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^^PS and that's about all I say. I'll leave the rest to other posters, or to Jeff's judgment if something needs to be reported.

Have at it, PP. The floor is yours.

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I know a lot of non-obese people. They eat generally healthy and get exercise. They consume fruit and vegetables. Pizza, burgers, and fries in moderation. Some eat low fat, some eat vegetarian, some just do moderate everything. Butter, canola oil--it doesn't matter. It makes little difference when you have an overall healthy lifestyle. The people I know who are obese eat little fruit and veg, drink a lot of alcohol, drink soda, eat a lot of snacks and dessert, and most importantly -- don't move! So many people drive to work, sit and desks all day, drive home, and park themselves in front of the TV.

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Anonymous wrote:Had no idea.

I thought canola oil was good for us. We were told it was the healthy oil the way we're now being told olive oil is healthy.

According to my dad’s cardiologist, coconut oil is the worst. She tells all her patients to avoid it in all forms.

They are doing studies now that prove the opposite

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150209171317.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151118125325.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150722144640.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120902222459.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180620130008.htm

NP. I only clicked one link, and it said "fruit fly study." Get out of here with that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Had no idea.

I thought canola oil was good for us. We were told it was the healthy oil the way we're now being told olive oil is healthy.

According to my dad’s cardiologist, coconut oil is the worst. She tells all her patients to avoid it in all forms.

They are doing studies now that prove the opposite

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150209171317.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151118125325.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150722144640.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120902222459.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180620130008.htm

NP. I only clicked one link, and it said "fruit fly study." Get out of here with that.

You didn't finish on top of your class, I see. 75% of the genes that cause disease in humans are also found in fruit flies. Read the article below and let me know if you require translation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5831767/

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Anonymous wrote:I know a lot of non-obese people. They eat generally healthy and get exercise. They consume fruit and vegetables. Pizza, burgers, and fries in moderation. Some eat low fat, some eat vegetarian, some just do moderate everything. Butter, canola oil--it doesn't matter. It makes little difference when you have an overall healthy lifestyle. The people I know who are obese eat little fruit and veg, drink a lot of alcohol, drink soda, eat a lot of snacks and dessert, and most importantly -- don't move! So many people drive to work, sit and desks all day, drive home, and park themselves in front of the TV.

Non obese is not healthy! 74% of Americans are overweight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know a lot of non-obese people. They eat generally healthy and get exercise. They consume fruit and vegetables. Pizza, burgers, and fries in moderation. Some eat low fat, some eat vegetarian, some just do moderate everything. Butter, canola oil--it doesn't matter. It makes little difference when you have an overall healthy lifestyle. The people I know who are obese eat little fruit and veg, drink a lot of alcohol, drink soda, eat a lot of snacks and dessert, and most importantly -- don't move! So many people drive to work, sit and desks all day, drive home, and park themselves in front of the TV.

Non obese is not healthy! 74% of Americans are overweight.

Is the 74% of Overweight American driving the Covid Hospitalizations?

Chew on that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know a lot of non-obese people. They eat generally healthy and get exercise. They consume fruit and vegetables. Pizza, burgers, and fries in moderation. Some eat low fat, some eat vegetarian, some just do moderate everything. Butter, canola oil--it doesn't matter. It makes little difference when you have an overall healthy lifestyle. The people I know who are obese eat little fruit and veg, drink a lot of alcohol, drink soda, eat a lot of snacks and dessert, and most importantly -- don't move! So many people drive to work, sit and desks all day, drive home, and park themselves in front of the TV.

Non obese is not healthy! 74% of Americans are overweight.

I'm both healthy and non-obese (like certifiably healthy -- I just had a physical because I"m contemplating having a baby at 42 and I'm in really good health from my weight to my cholesterol to my blood pressure, etc.). And I drink soda! Like daily. That doesn't mean soda is good for you. As PP said, I also eat "seed oils" (in moderation), pizza/burgers/frieds (in moderation). I also eat vegetables and while I don't diet, I do think consciously about eating in a balanced way. So if I've been eating heavy foods, I switch to lighter, more veggie-forward fare for a bit. Likewise, if I've been eating light, I'll intentionally incorporate a meal with a heavy protein and some fat to balance.

I love sugar and pretty much have to have dessert every night. But dessert can be 2-3 small piece of chocolate or one cookie or a bowl of strawberries with some whipped cream. And then I'm good. I don't overeat or undereat.

The biggest thing is that I move A LOT. It's not just that I get a lot of intentional exercise, it's that I've structured my life and trained my habits so that movement is constant. I live in a 3rd floor walk up, in the city, where most things are easier to walk to than to drive to. I have no idea how much I walk daily (I don't track), but there are many days where my legs are sore simply from walking and climbing stairs.

While I don't fixate on my weight, my primary health goal is wanting to maintain mobility and independence as long as I possibly can. Both of my parents are obese and have a host of physical and mental health issues associated with it. I don't know why my parents are obese while I am not EXCEPT that I move around so much. It's the primary difference in our lifestyles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know a lot of non-obese people. They eat generally healthy and get exercise. They consume fruit and vegetables. Pizza, burgers, and fries in moderation. Some eat low fat, some eat vegetarian, some just do moderate everything. Butter, canola oil--it doesn't matter. It makes little difference when you have an overall healthy lifestyle. The people I know who are obese eat little fruit and veg, drink a lot of alcohol, drink soda, eat a lot of snacks and dessert, and most importantly -- don't move! So many people drive to work, sit and desks all day, drive home, and park themselves in front of the TV.

Non obese is not healthy! 74% of Americans are overweight.

Is the 74% of Overweight American driving the Covid Hospitalizations?

Chew on that.

You are in the wrong thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know a lot of non-obese people. They eat generally healthy and get exercise. They consume fruit and vegetables. Pizza, burgers, and fries in moderation. Some eat low fat, some eat vegetarian, some just do moderate everything. Butter, canola oil--it doesn't matter. It makes little difference when you have an overall healthy lifestyle. The people I know who are obese eat little fruit and veg, drink a lot of alcohol, drink soda, eat a lot of snacks and dessert, and most importantly -- don't move! So many people drive to work, sit and desks all day, drive home, and park themselves in front of the TV.

Non obese is not healthy! 74% of Americans are overweight.

I'm both healthy and non-obese (like certifiably healthy -- I just had a physical because I"m contemplating having a baby at 42 and I'm in really good health from my weight to my cholesterol to my blood pressure, etc.). And I drink soda! Like daily. That doesn't mean soda is good for you. As PP said, I also eat "seed oils" (in moderation), pizza/burgers/frieds (in moderation). I also eat vegetables and while I don't diet, I do think consciously about eating in a balanced way. So if I've been eating heavy foods, I switch to lighter, more veggie-forward fare for a bit. Likewise, if I've been eating light, I'll intentionally incorporate a meal with a heavy protein and some fat to balance.

I love sugar and pretty much have to have dessert every night. But dessert can be 2-3 small piece of chocolate or one cookie or a bowl of strawberries with some whipped cream. And then I'm good. I don't overeat or undereat.

The biggest thing is that I move A LOT. It's not just that I get a lot of intentional exercise, it's that I've structured my life and trained my habits so that movement is constant. I live in a 3rd floor walk up, in the city, where most things are easier to walk to than to drive to. I have no idea how much I walk daily (I don't track), but there are many days where my legs are sore simply from walking and climbing stairs.

While I don't fixate on my weight, my primary health goal is wanting to maintain mobility and independence as long as I possibly can. Both of my parents are obese and have a host of physical and mental health issues associated with it. I don't know why my parents are obese while I am not EXCEPT that I move around so much. It's the primary difference in our lifestyles.

I really don’t mean to be a jerk, but I’m not sure what you’re definition of healthy is. If you drink soda daily and have dessert daily, no matter you’re cholesterol BP or weight on that scale, that processed and refined sugar (and seed oil) isn’t good for you. Most drs don’t go further in their testing. So I’m guessing if you were to dig into your insulin resistance, glucose monitoring, inflammation levels, the specifics of cholesterol (it’s the ratio that matters, not the numbers), I’m thinking you might not be so confident in your health. Particularly if you have genetic tendencies to be obese (parents), that tells us perhaps you have genes that lend themselves to inflammation.

It’s awesome you move a lot. That’s key. But you have room for improvement in your diet. In America people think “moderation” is to be celebrated, but our relative comparisons are really skewed.