Why is the flavor enhancer, MSG vilified in the US while it’s popular in Japan?

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Anonymous wrote:When I eat something with msg in it, I get a rapid heartbeat, headache and a terrible stomach ache, which leads to diarrhea.

So you don’t eat things like Doritos, mushrooms, Parmesan, ketchup, bbq sauce?

NP here. I definitely get heacaches from MSG (and aspartame). I avoid all MSG foods like Doritos and sauces with it added. I don't eat many mushrooms, but don't like them much so maybe that is why -- never knew they occurred naturally.

I love all Asian food, and am married to an Asian person, FWIW.

NP. Same. Aspartame gives me horrible headaches. I avoid MSG, mostly because it is usually combined with high sodium foods. I am very sensitive to sodium. My dad had a stroke when I was an infant and so I was raised on low/no sodium diet. I think that’s why I am sensitive to high sodium foods. Even low sodium soy sauce causes my fingers to swell.

You probably have PFO and have rationalized this as food issues.

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Anonymous wrote:The MSG hater pp is truly dumb like rocks. She is allergic to her own production of L-glutamic acid, which is produced naturally by the body in amounts adequate for most people.

I'm not that PP, but if you are right, then please explain why when I eat something with MSG added, I experience the following: slow burning heat crawls from the base of my spine up to my head, exploding into a splitting headache, accompanied by 3-5 seconds of complete paralysis. It freaking terrifying. Then my lips swell.

We know not every persons' body reacts to the same things the same way. People with autoimmune diseases also react to things naturally present in or produced by their own bodies. Cancer is the body attacking itself too. Some peoples' bodies attack their own myelin, skin cells, joint cells, react to cortisol or other hormones, iron, B-12, insulin, potassium, even L-glutamic acid.

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Anonymous wrote:When I eat something with msg in it, I get a rapid heartbeat, headache and a terrible stomach ache, which leads to diarrhea.

So you don’t eat things like Doritos, mushrooms, Parmesan, ketchup, bbq sauce?

NP here. I definitely get heacaches from MSG (and aspartame). I avoid all MSG foods like Doritos and sauces with it added. I don't eat many mushrooms, but don't like them much so maybe that is why -- never knew they occurred naturally.

I love all Asian food, and am married to an Asian person, FWIW.

NP. Same. Aspartame gives me horrible headaches. I avoid MSG, mostly because it is usually combined with high sodium foods. I am very sensitive to sodium. My dad had a stroke when I was an infant and so I was raised on low/no sodium diet. I think that’s why I am sensitive to high sodium foods. Even low sodium soy sauce causes my fingers to swell.

You probably have PFO and have rationalized this as food issues.

PFO? As in a small hole in the heart?
I’ve had several EKGs in my life (I’m in my 50s) so I assume it would have been detected?
BTW, there’s no causation between PFO and migraines. 1 in 4 people have PFO.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/patent-foramen-ovale/symptoms-causes/syc-20353487

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The MSG hater pp is truly dumb like rocks. She is allergic to her own production of L-glutamic acid, which is produced naturally by the body in amounts adequate for most people.

I'm not that PP, but if you are right, then please explain why when I eat something with MSG added, I experience the following: slow burning heat crawls from the base of my spine up to my head, exploding into a splitting headache, accompanied by 3-5 seconds of complete paralysis. It freaking terrifying. Then my lips swell.

We know not every persons' body reacts to the same things the same way. People with autoimmune diseases also react to things naturally present in or produced by their own bodies. Cancer is the body attacking itself too. Some peoples' bodies attack their own myelin, skin cells, joint cells, react to cortisol or other hormones, iron, B-12, insulin, potassium, even L-glutamic acid.

Mental health issue probably

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The MSG hater pp is truly dumb like rocks. She is allergic to her own production of L-glutamic acid, which is produced naturally by the body in amounts adequate for most people.

I'm not that PP, but if you are right, then please explain why when I eat something with MSG added, I experience the following: slow burning heat crawls from the base of my spine up to my head, exploding into a splitting headache, accompanied by 3-5 seconds of complete paralysis. It freaking terrifying. Then my lips swell.

We know not every persons' body reacts to the same things the same way. People with autoimmune diseases also react to things naturally present in or produced by their own bodies. Cancer is the body attacking itself too. Some peoples' bodies attack their own myelin, skin cells, joint cells, react to cortisol or other hormones, iron, B-12, insulin, potassium, even L-glutamic acid.

Go see a psychiatrist.

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Anonymous wrote:When I eat something with msg in it, I get a rapid heartbeat, headache and a terrible stomach ache, which leads to diarrhea.

So you don’t eat things like Doritos, mushrooms, Parmesan, ketchup, bbq sauce?

NP here. I definitely get heacaches from MSG (and aspartame). I avoid all MSG foods like Doritos and sauces with it added. I don't eat many mushrooms, but don't like them much so maybe that is why -- never knew they occurred naturally.

I love all Asian food, and am married to an Asian person, FWIW.

NP. Same. Aspartame gives me horrible headaches. I avoid MSG, mostly because it is usually combined with high sodium foods. I am very sensitive to sodium. My dad had a stroke when I was an infant and so I was raised on low/no sodium diet. I think that’s why I am sensitive to high sodium foods. Even low sodium soy sauce causes my fingers to swell.

You probably have PFO and have rationalized this as food issues.

PFO? As in a small hole in the heart?
I’ve had several EKGs in my life (I’m in my 50s) so I assume it would have been detected?
BTW, there’s no causation between PFO and migraines. 1 in 4 people have PFO.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/patent-foramen-ovale/symptoms-causes/syc-20353487

Nope, ultrasound will find it. I found I have it just last year, at 50 years old .
And ha, ha for no connection. There is no 100% connection that is scientific. So there I am at the cardio and they are talking to me about how to manage this PFO and they say no worries many people have it, you are fine. Now if you had migraines we would be worried... And I say I have migraines, and they ask, what kind? I say aura, numbness, lights, and loss of proper speech on occasion! And they say, oops cardiologists, two of them say. You might want to consider getting it closed the hole! They send me to a neurologist. And I tell him the same and he says you suffer from complicated migraines that are found in many people with a PFO. And if it happens again that I have such a severe episode we need to think about closing the hole. So, you read what you like online, but I have it from the horse's mouths. Three horses, in this case.
All these tracks with your dad having a stroke young. Those are the people that are healthy and then boom. And I have issues with circulation too! Constriction, often. Are your feet often cold?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm allergic to it.

Are you allergic to cheese?

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Anonymous wrote:When I eat something with msg in it, I get a rapid heartbeat, headache and a terrible stomach ache, which leads to diarrhea.

So you don’t eat things like Doritos, mushrooms, Parmesan, ketchup, bbq sauce?

NP here. I definitely get heacaches from MSG (and aspartame). I avoid all MSG foods like Doritos and sauces with it added. I don't eat many mushrooms, but don't like them much so maybe that is why -- never knew they occurred naturally.

I love all Asian food, and am married to an Asian person, FWIW.

NP. Same. Aspartame gives me horrible headaches. I avoid MSG, mostly because it is usually combined with high sodium foods. I am very sensitive to sodium. My dad had a stroke when I was an infant and so I was raised on low/no sodium diet. I think that’s why I am sensitive to high sodium foods. Even low sodium soy sauce causes my fingers to swell.

You probably have PFO and have rationalized this as food issues.

PFO? As in a small hole in the heart?
I’ve had several EKGs in my life (I’m in my 50s) so I assume it would have been detected?
BTW, there’s no causation between PFO and migraines. 1 in 4 people have PFO.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/patent-foramen-ovale/symptoms-causes/syc-20353487

Nope, ultrasound will find it. I found I have it just last year, at 50 years old .
And ha, ha for no connection. There is no 100% connection that is scientific. So there I am at the cardio and they are talking to me about how to manage this PFO and they say no worries many people have it, you are fine. Now if you had migraines we would be worried... And I say I have migraines, and they ask, what kind? I say aura, numbness, lights, and loss of proper speech on occasion! And they say, oops cardiologists, two of them say. You might want to consider getting it closed the hole! They send me to a neurologist. And I tell him the same and he says you suffer from complicated migraines that are found in many people with a PFO. And if it happens again that I have such a severe episode we need to think about closing the hole. So, you read what you like online, but I have it from the horse's mouths. Three horses, in this case.
All these tracks with your dad having a stroke young. Those are the people that are healthy and then boom. And I have issues with circulation too! Constriction, often. Are your feet often cold?

Very interesting!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I eat something with msg in it, I get a rapid heartbeat, headache and a terrible stomach ache, which leads to diarrhea.

So you don’t eat things like Doritos, mushrooms, Parmesan, ketchup, bbq sauce?

NP here. I definitely get heacaches from MSG (and aspartame). I avoid all MSG foods like Doritos and sauces with it added. I don't eat many mushrooms, but don't like them much so maybe that is why -- never knew they occurred naturally.

I love all Asian food, and am married to an Asian person, FWIW.

Any proof out there that MSG is safe for human consumption? I have not seen any.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The MSG hater pp is truly dumb like rocks. She is allergic to her own production of L-glutamic acid, which is produced naturally by the body in amounts adequate for most people.

I'm not that PP, but if you are right, then please explain why when I eat something with MSG added, I experience the following: slow burning heat crawls from the base of my spine up to my head, exploding into a splitting headache, accompanied by 3-5 seconds of complete paralysis. It freaking terrifying. Then my lips swell.

We know not every persons' body reacts to the same things the same way. People with autoimmune diseases also react to things naturally present in or produced by their own bodies. Cancer is the body attacking itself too. Some peoples' bodies attack their own myelin, skin cells, joint cells, react to cortisol or other hormones, iron, B-12, insulin, potassium, even L-glutamic acid.

Mental illness

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I eat something with msg in it, I get a rapid heartbeat, headache and a terrible stomach ache, which leads to diarrhea.

So you don’t eat things like Doritos, mushrooms, Parmesan, ketchup, bbq sauce?

NP here. I definitely get heacaches from MSG (and aspartame). I avoid all MSG foods like Doritos and sauces with it added. I don't eat many mushrooms, but don't like them much so maybe that is why -- never knew they occurred naturally.

I love all Asian food, and am married to an Asian person, FWIW.

Any proof out there that MSG is safe for human consumption? I have not seen any.

This question is for you, 22:25.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I eat something with msg in it, I get a rapid heartbeat, headache and a terrible stomach ache, which leads to diarrhea.

So you don’t eat things like Doritos, mushrooms, Parmesan, ketchup, bbq sauce?

NP here. I definitely get heacaches from MSG (and aspartame). I avoid all MSG foods like Doritos and sauces with it added. I don't eat many mushrooms, but don't like them much so maybe that is why -- never knew they occurred naturally.

I love all Asian food, and am married to an Asian person, FWIW.

Any proof out there that MSG is safe for human consumption? I have not seen any.

Anyone?

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Anonymous wrote:Bigotry, xenophobia, yellow hate, racism, hate of China, need I go more?
Why do ordinary U.S. citizens recoil if someone mentions Russians? Calls them all schemers, liars, etc? Bcs of decades of indoctrination of Russia, politics, but by extension Russians, are normal regular Russians being evil.
Until I moved the States, I have never heard of a single person hating so many things and so many countries as I have since lived in the States.
Oh, I research this too, in academia, sub-humanizing, Othering, Orientalism, and CRT among other identity and social issues.

IMO, it's because other countries aren't made up of immigrants, whereas the US is. US history is full of "othering" the new immigrants, doesn't even matter what your skin color is. The English did it to Irish; the Irish did it to the Poles/Germans/Chinese, etc..

This country is a melting pot, and there are some really great things about it, and IMO, the diversity makes it interesting (not to mention the diverse foods). But, people are always going to be afraid of something "different", and in the US, that "difference" is more pronounced because of the size of our immigrant population compared to other countries.

The only country that's similar to the US in terms of immigrant population size is Canada. I have no idea if Canada has similar issues, but certainly, the US has a history of racism against Asians, including their immigration laws.

1. 21.5% of Canadians are immigrants
2. 14.8% of Germans are immigrants
3. 14.3% of Americans are immigrants

1. https://www.statista.com/topics/2917/immigration-in-canada/#:~:text=As%20of%202020%2C%20there%20were%20just%20above%20eight,roughly%2021.5%20percent%20of%20the%20total%20Canadian%20population.
2. https://vividmaps.com/immigrant-population-in-germany
3. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/immigrants-in-the-united-states#:~:text=One%20in%20seven%20U.S.%20residents%20is%20an%20immigrant%2C,individuals%29%20comprised%2014%20percent%20of%20the%20national%20population.

So, unless you are of Native American descent, if you are here in America, somebody immigrated (or was kidnapped and enslaved and thus forcibly immigrated) over here. So, sure, you are correct that TODAY, we aren't all considered immigrants, but we non Native Americans, are all immigrants, some of us have just been here longer than others.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some studies that have shown that MSG can cause issues when dissolved in hot liquid in large quantities and the consumer drinks them on an empty stomach. This tracks with my experience - back when I was in the throes of an eating disorder, I decided that my one meal that day was going to be going out and having a bowl of pho (and eat around the noodles), and I started having the most bizarre reaction - I thought I was going to pass out or have a heart attack. I finally asked the kitchen what was in it and they said they used MSG in the broth. I’ve never had issues any other time, and have eaten pho at that same place again, but I never eat brothy soups on an empty stomach.

You people find racism in the strangest places.

OMG! Like how they injected the chicken with msg and it died? When injected with an insane dose of it? Guess what would happen to a chicken if you inject a ton of salt into it?
You had an eating disorder, your perception of food and reactions was not normal.
I have been eating msg in one of the spices I use my whole life. Never had a problem, my kids don't have a problem, we are not Asian. It is a common flavor enhancer found is many spices.

Actually, when you have an eating disorder, you’re very well attuned to every little thing. Something happened with that soup, and I no particular preconceptions about MSG because I had eaten food with it since forever. That’s why I did the research when I got home and found what the medical professionals said about when MSG could potentially be problematic. I believe that any chemical can cause a reaction in people, and there are a ton of things where people’s reactions are different to the naturally occurring version of something than when it’s added as a processed enhancement. So I’m sure you and your kids don’t have an issue, but I also believe people who say it can trigger a migraine for them. It’s almost as if people can be different.

Are you that blind to the fact the entire reason that there is all this research about whether or not MSG is problematic is grounded in racism?

People (usually white) who are determined to deny that racism exists in any setting other than a person wearing a white hood, or screaming a racial slur (which is also often denied unless the white person themselves hears the slur, can't believe it when a POC reporting it), are actually the most problematic in addressing and combating racism. Racism, classism, xenophobia and othering is the American way, along with a healthy dose of denial about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I eat something with msg in it, I get a rapid heartbeat, headache and a terrible stomach ache, which leads to diarrhea.

So you don’t eat things like Doritos, mushrooms, Parmesan, ketchup, bbq sauce?

NP here. I definitely get heacaches from MSG (and aspartame). I avoid all MSG foods like Doritos and sauces with it added. I don't eat many mushrooms, but don't like them much so maybe that is why -- never knew they occurred naturally.

I love all Asian food, and am married to an Asian person, FWIW.

Any proof out there that MSG is safe for human consumption? I have not seen any.

Anyone?

Can you prove that it is not? The vast body of research on the topic that concluded MSG does not actually cause migraines or other ailments generally conclude that it is safe. Many review articles specifically point out that there are massive flaws in much of the research that claims it could cause migraines or pain.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S092846801730072X

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kaushalya-Wijayasekara/publication/351634601_Uses_effects_and_properties_of_monosodium_glutamate_MSG_on_food_nutrition/links/60a29dcc92851c186a62cc35/Uses-effects-and-properties-of-monosodium-glutamate-MSG-on-food-nutrition.pdf

https://academic.oup.com/shm/article-abstract/22/1/133/1627040