Why is enhanced security needed for MCPS athletic events?

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Fighting between students at a football game. I think it is interesting that middle school and elementary school students are banned without a parent. Makes me wonder how many kids were attending games late at night without parental supervision.

The elementary school kids is a real head scratcher. Was it just one kid and now all kids are banned I can’t imagine hordes of elementary schoolers going to games.

Does anyone think it's strange or inappropriate for middle schoolers to go to games by themselves? I could say the second about upper elementary, bit i recognize I'm probably an outlier there. I can't imagine a middle schooler going and staying with parents, though.

They are presumably not going to games by themselves. Just without a parent. Why would that be strange or inappropriate?

I personally think this is fine, too. I've seen a lot of parents dropping off a mob of 6th or 7th graders and picking them up at the end of the game and frankly, weighing the option of doing the same for my 7th grader this evening. I should say, though, that I have one who graduated HS last year and when her (then) MS sister asked to go to a game one time couple of years ago the HSer told me not to let her go because she would 'get beat up.' I'm sure HSer was exaggerating for effect, but she followed up saying there tend to be a lot of small skirmishes and there are kids who would target younger ones for bullying and it's not as safe as I would assume it to be in terms of sending a younger kid unaccompanied. And this was like 3 years ago, so if it's gotten worse this year then I'd recommend some thought before you send two 6th graders alone.

I also think it's fine for middle school students (especially 8th graders) to go to high school football games with friends. They should be a safe place for kids this age to gather without parental supervision.

It's not a safe place. You have no idea what goes on in the stands of varsity football games.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is too long. Are W kids bringing knives to football games now?

No, the Whitman student brought it to morning drop-off:

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/student-at-churchill-high-brought-knife-to-school-police-say/

Since there are no SROs any more, parents and students had to intervene when he brandished the knife.

SROs more often than not turn tail when faced with any real danger. This is exactly what happened at Parkland. They are not a reliable solution to this problem. One remedy is to remove kids like this from the general population.

So because one SRO turned tail during a mass shooting, we should get rid of all SROs?

It appears they don't serve their intended purpose so yes.

The study I read said 9/10 SRO's will run at the first sign of trouble. The only thing they excel at is harassing minorities.

The study I read said that far leftists will make up facts and figures to support an unreasonable argument rather than make logical decisions

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is too long. Are W kids bringing knives to football games now?

No, the Whitman student brought it to morning drop-off:

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/student-at-churchill-high-brought-knife-to-school-police-say/

Since there are no SROs any more, parents and students had to intervene when he brandished the knife.

SROs more often than not turn tail when faced with any real danger. This is exactly what happened at Parkland. They are not a reliable solution to this problem. One remedy is to remove kids like this from the general population.

So because one SRO turned tail during a mass shooting, we should get rid of all SROs?

It appears they don't serve their intended purpose so yes.

The study I read said 9/10 SRO's will run at the first sign of trouble. The only thing they excel at is harassing minorities.

Can you cite your source for that bogus stat?

Why are people allowed to post blatant misinformation? I’ve seen more accurate posts deleted, but this nonsense gets to stay?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is too long. Are W kids bringing knives to football games now?

No, the Whitman student brought it to morning drop-off:

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/student-at-churchill-high-brought-knife-to-school-police-say/

Since there are no SROs any more, parents and students had to intervene when he brandished the knife.

SROs more often than not turn tail when faced with any real danger. This is exactly what happened at Parkland. They are not a reliable solution to this problem. One remedy is to remove kids like this from the general population.

So because one SRO turned tail during a mass shooting, we should get rid of all SROs?

It appears they don't serve their intended purpose so yes.

The study I read said 9/10 SRO's will run at the first sign of trouble. The only thing they excel at is harassing minorities.

Can you cite your source for that bogus stat?

Why are people allowed to post blatant misinformation? I’ve seen more accurate posts deleted, but this nonsense gets to stay?

Because the site owner is a flaming liberal and anti-police. Anything that supports his cause gets to stay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is too long. Are W kids bringing knives to football games now?

No, the Whitman student brought it to morning drop-off:

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/student-at-churchill-high-brought-knife-to-school-police-say/

Since there are no SROs any more, parents and students had to intervene when he brandished the knife.

SROs more often than not turn tail when faced with any real danger. This is exactly what happened at Parkland. They are not a reliable solution to this problem. One remedy is to remove kids like this from the general population.

So because one SRO turned tail during a mass shooting, we should get rid of all SROs?

It appears they don't serve their intended purpose so yes.

The study I read said 9/10 SRO's will run at the first sign of trouble. The only thing they excel at is harassing minorities.

Sounds about right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is too long. Are W kids bringing knives to football games now?

No, the Whitman student brought it to morning drop-off:

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/student-at-churchill-high-brought-knife-to-school-police-say/

Since there are no SROs any more, parents and students had to intervene when he brandished the knife.

SROs more often than not turn tail when faced with any real danger. This is exactly what happened at Parkland. They are not a reliable solution to this problem. One remedy is to remove kids like this from the general population.

So because one SRO turned tail during a mass shooting, we should get rid of all SROs?

It appears they don't serve their intended purpose so yes.

The study I read said 9/10 SRO's will run at the first sign of trouble. The only thing they excel at is harassing minorities.

We can debate the merit of the first part but the highlighted part is definitely true

[Anonymous]

Ultimately, security at MCPS athletic events is MCPS responsibility. The police at football game mostly congregate in the parking lot area or streets right off of school campus. At our school, you see about 5 police cruisers with uniformed officers standing around talking to one another. None come into the stadium or stands.

School staff could improve security if staff members actually sit in various spots throughout the stands instead of congregating together on the football sideline. Particularly at the end of the game if there was a reminder to throw trash in the trash cans with staff redirecting people to clean up after themselves, the stadium would not been left covered in trash.

Were there middle school kids at the game? Yes. Were there elementary school kids at the game? Yes. Some were sitting with parents but some had a chaperoning adult watching a group of kids from an area of the stadium that was close by. There were no problems having the younger kids at the game. One high school student on the other hand was stumbling drunk in the stands.

There was one fight on the field. I wish there were none and MCPS should look at how players are coached and the consequences of fighting during a game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately, security at MCPS athletic events is MCPS responsibility. The police at football game mostly congregate in the parking lot area or streets right off of school campus. At our school, you see about 5 police cruisers with uniformed officers standing around talking to one another. None come into the stadium or stands.

School staff could improve security if staff members actually sit in various spots throughout the stands instead of congregating together on the football sideline. Particularly at the end of the game if there was a reminder to throw trash in the trash cans with staff redirecting people to clean up after themselves, the stadium would not been left covered in trash.

Were there middle school kids at the game? Yes. Were there elementary school kids at the game? Yes. Some were sitting with parents but some had a chaperoning adult watching a group of kids from an area of the stadium that was close by. There were no problems having the younger kids at the game. One high school student on the other hand was stumbling drunk in the stands.

There was one fight on the field. I wish there were none and MCPS should look at how players are coached and the consequences of fighting during a game.

I'm a parent of a football player. I can't believe you think that staff attending the events should be told where they have to sit or be working on off time and directing attendees to throw their trash away!
When I was growing up woodsy owl told us and now a days no one is telling anyone. I agree there should be more public pressure on everyone to clean up and stop littering. But I don't know how we could possibly ask any more of our school staff on their off time! We are lucky enough that they care enough to come out to the games.

As for players fighting. You have hormonal boys out there getting fowled, etc. You want to blame that on the coaching staff? Gmab! You seem to have a lot of "everyone else should " and blame for everyone else but it takes a village. When you were at the game did you tell kids where to throw their trash?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ultimately, security at MCPS athletic events is MCPS responsibility. The police at football game mostly congregate in the parking lot area or streets right off of school campus. At our school, you see about 5 police cruisers with uniformed officers standing around talking to one another. None come into the stadium or stands.

School staff could improve security if staff members actually sit in various spots throughout the stands instead of congregating together on the football sideline. Particularly at the end of the game if there was a reminder to throw trash in the trash cans with staff redirecting people to clean up after themselves, the stadium would not been left covered in trash.

Were there middle school kids at the game? Yes. Were there elementary school kids at the game? Yes. Some were sitting with parents but some had a chaperoning adult watching a group of kids from an area of the stadium that was close by. There were no problems having the younger kids at the game. One high school student on the other hand was stumbling drunk in the stands.

There was one fight on the field. I wish there were none and MCPS should look at how players are coached and the consequences of fighting during a game.

I'm a parent of a football player. I can't believe you think that staff attending the events should be told where they have to sit or be working on off time and directing attendees to throw their trash away!
When I was growing up woodsy owl told us and now a days no one is telling anyone. I agree there should be more public pressure on everyone to clean up and stop littering. But I don't know how we could possibly ask any more of our school staff on their off time! We are lucky enough that they care enough to come out to the games.

As for players fighting. You have hormonal boys out there getting fowled, etc. You want to blame that on the coaching staff? Gmab! You seem to have a lot of "everyone else should " and blame for everyone else but it takes a village. When you were at the game did you tell kids where to throw their trash?

Or, we can blame the parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is too long. Are W kids bringing knives to football games now?

No, the Whitman student brought it to morning drop-off:

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/student-at-churchill-high-brought-knife-to-school-police-say/

Since there are no SROs any more, parents and students had to intervene when he brandished the knife.

SROs more often than not turn tail when faced with any real danger. This is exactly what happened at Parkland. They are not a reliable solution to this problem. One remedy is to remove kids like this from the general population.

So because one SRO turned tail during a mass shooting, we should get rid of all SROs?

It appears they don't serve their intended purpose so yes.

The study I read said 9/10 SRO's will run at the first sign of trouble. The only thing they excel at is harassing minorities.

We can debate the merit of the first part but the highlighted part is definitely true

You must have been living in a cave for ten years. It’s more the minorities harassing the officers these days. The things that the black teens say to the police today with no consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is too long. Are W kids bringing knives to football games now?

No, the Whitman student brought it to morning drop-off:

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/student-at-churchill-high-brought-knife-to-school-police-say/

Since there are no SROs any more, parents and students had to intervene when he brandished the knife.

SROs more often than not turn tail when faced with any real danger. This is exactly what happened at Parkland. They are not a reliable solution to this problem. One remedy is to remove kids like this from the general population.

So because one SRO turned tail during a mass shooting, we should get rid of all SROs?

It appears they don't serve their intended purpose so yes.

The study I read said 9/10 SRO's will run at the first sign of trouble. The only thing they excel at is harassing minorities.

We can debate the merit of the first part but the highlighted part is definitely true

They're both true everybody knows this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is too long. Are W kids bringing knives to football games now?

No, the Whitman student brought it to morning drop-off:

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/student-at-churchill-high-brought-knife-to-school-police-say/

Since there are no SROs any more, parents and students had to intervene when he brandished the knife.

SROs more often than not turn tail when faced with any real danger. This is exactly what happened at Parkland. They are not a reliable solution to this problem. One remedy is to remove kids like this from the general population.

So because one SRO turned tail during a mass shooting, we should get rid of all SROs?

It appears they don't serve their intended purpose so yes.

The study I read said 9/10 SRO's will run at the first sign of trouble. The only thing they excel at is harassing minorities.

We can debate the merit of the first part but the highlighted part is definitely true

They're both true everybody knows this.

No, not everybody knows this, because it's not true in Montgomery County. Most SROs were black and brown and female and LOVED kids. Wanted to help them be their best selves.

[Anonymous]

I thought the presence if SRO made minority students uncomfortable and anxious, so they act out. Once the SRO is removed all students are at ease and focus on study at school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ultimately, security at MCPS athletic events is MCPS responsibility. The police at football game mostly congregate in the parking lot area or streets right off of school campus. At our school, you see about 5 police cruisers with uniformed officers standing around talking to one another. None come into the stadium or stands.

School staff could improve security if staff members actually sit in various spots throughout the stands instead of congregating together on the football sideline. Particularly at the end of the game if there was a reminder to throw trash in the trash cans with staff redirecting people to clean up after themselves, the stadium would not been left covered in trash.

Were there middle school kids at the game? Yes. Were there elementary school kids at the game? Yes. Some were sitting with parents but some had a chaperoning adult watching a group of kids from an area of the stadium that was close by. There were no problems having the younger kids at the game. One high school student on the other hand was stumbling drunk in the stands.

There was one fight on the field. I wish there were none and MCPS should look at how players are coached and the consequences of fighting during a game.

I'm a parent of a football player. I can't believe you think that staff attending the events should be told where they have to sit or be working on off time and directing attendees to throw their trash away!
When I was growing up woodsy owl told us and now a days no one is telling anyone. I agree there should be more public pressure on everyone to clean up and stop littering. But I don't know how we could possibly ask any more of our school staff on their off time! We are lucky enough that they care enough to come out to the games.

As for players fighting. You have hormonal boys out there getting fowled, etc. You want to blame that on the coaching staff? Gmab! You seem to have a lot of "everyone else should " and blame for everyone else but it takes a village. When you were at the game did you tell kids where to throw their trash?

The administrators at the football game are not off duty. It’s part of their job responsibility to be there. MCPS could also hire extra security personnel specifically for the game. I haven’t seen one of the six school security officers in the stadium at our games. They tend to only monitor the parking lot with the police.

The point is, most of the problems occur in the stands which happens to be the place no one on duty goes. I can see your point that staff shouldn’t have to remind students to throw away trash, but a public announcement on the intercom with staff standing nearby would probably help. Lunch at school was a wreck outside till students heard reminders and staff were present at the end of lunch.

As far as the fights on the field, that’s not part of the game yet coaches actually encourage players to fight. If students had to sit out the rest of the game, I am sure coaches and players would think twice before throwing fists at one another.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought the presence if SRO made minority students uncomfortable and anxious, so they act out. Once the SRO is removed all students are at ease and focus on study at school.

That makes perfect sense. We didn't have that service when I was a kid. They seem to just make things worse.