New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No announcements.

Clubs got the cold feets

Clubs were never moving. Someone created a fake message and the IHS guy took the bait.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean the ga touted live games from the spring showcase and they can't even get their YouTube to work. guess checks didn't cash

I'm watching two games right now simultaneously. Did you plug in your router?

they started it right about half time. you would know if you were trying to watch. so now try and rewind it and see how far back you can go. be smarter

I just rewound for both kickoffs on my streams, maybe you should call Geek squad.

nope the San Fran vs space coast game only started at 31:00 but go on

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Anonymous wrote:I understand why ECNL would want Tophat. But why would Tophat want ECNL? They are thriving in GA and and have tons of visibility. USYNT and P4 placements are consistent and in line with top clubs in the nation. And the club is very profitable. A switch to ECNL would have significant uncertainty.

I can think of a couple of reasons. From a club perspective, they want to compete against better teams. You literally have to go back two seasons ago to find conference winner in that area that was NOT TH. In any age group. Their teams are great, but would still likely benefit from playing stronger competition. From a parent perspective, they probably also want better competition, but it is extremely frustrating to travel so far to play teams that aren’t really competitive when you can have more competition in your area if you had a different badge.

I hear that perspective, but I think it assumes that league affiliation is the primary driver of development, and Tophat is proving that’s not necessarily true.

At a certain point, when you’re consistently producing top-level players, placing into top college programs, and getting United States Youth National Team looks, the marginal benefit of switching leagues becomes pretty limited. Tophat is already getting the outcomes most clubs are chasing.

On the competition piece, yes, there’s value in stronger week-to-week games, but Tophat is clearly supplementing that through showcases and national events. The best clubs don’t rely solely on league play to define their level, they create the right competitive environments around it.

From a parent perspective, I get the frustration with travel for uneven games, but that’s more of a league parity issue than a development issue (its one you will find in ECNL leagues as well). It clearly hasn’t slowed down player progression at Tophat at all.

At the end of the day, they’re demonstrating something pretty important: you don’t need to be in the perceived “top” league to develop elite players or achieve elite outcomes. They already have visibility, results, and a strong business model. A move to ECNL introduces uncertainty without a clear upside that they aren’t already capturing.

I think the nationals director on the IHS podcast spoke about this. ECNL has better teams which gives the team more competitive games, it challenges their players to see what areas need improvement and as a club where you might be falling short.

Yes you can stay and be king of the mid sized mountain but you’ll never be the best mountain climber until you goto the tallest mountain and try and goto the top. Iron sharpens iron or so they say.

I wouldn’t expect an ECNL director to frame it any differently, that’s kind of the point. But we’ve already talked in this thread about clubs like Tophat producing results that stack up with anyone, regardless of league badge.

The bigger issue is the assumption that ECNL defines the “mountaintop.” It doesn’t. Right now there’s no true, objective pinnacle because the ecosystems are separate. If there were a Champions League style format where top clubs from both leagues competed consistently, then you’d have a clearer, mutually agreed benchmark.

Also, not every top club is built the same way. Some operate more like European academies, prioritizing long-term player development, versatility, and progression over just week-to-week league competition. You could argue that’s actually where ECNL can fall short a bit, because the emphasis can tilt more toward league hierarchy than holistic development.

Tophat, and others are showing you can develop elite players, get USYNT looks, and place into top programs without being in that system. That suggests the “iron sharpens iron” argument isn’t as dependent on one league as people make it out to be. You’re just getting different brands of knives so to speak, and chefs want both brands in their kitchens.

idk, this interview seemed very different to me at least compared to the negativity/trash talking that seems to happen from each side to the other. He was very respectful towards the GA, I found it quite refreshing to hear the take and backed up by why their specific situation is what it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I understand why ECNL would want Tophat. But why would Tophat want ECNL? They are thriving in GA and and have tons of visibility. USYNT and P4 placements are consistent and in line with top clubs in the nation. And the club is very profitable. A switch to ECNL would have significant uncertainty.

I can think of a couple of reasons. From a club perspective, they want to compete against better teams. You literally have to go back two seasons ago to find conference winner in that area that was NOT TH. In any age group. Their teams are great, but would still likely benefit from playing stronger competition. From a parent perspective, they probably also want better competition, but it is extremely frustrating to travel so far to play teams that aren’t really competitive when you can have more competition in your area if you had a different badge.

I hear that perspective, but I think it assumes that league affiliation is the primary driver of development, and Tophat is proving that’s not necessarily true.

At a certain point, when you’re consistently producing top-level players, placing into top college programs, and getting United States Youth National Team looks, the marginal benefit of switching leagues becomes pretty limited. Tophat is already getting the outcomes most clubs are chasing.

On the competition piece, yes, there’s value in stronger week-to-week games, but Tophat is clearly supplementing that through showcases and national events. The best clubs don’t rely solely on league play to define their level, they create the right competitive environments around it.

From a parent perspective, I get the frustration with travel for uneven games, but that’s more of a league parity issue than a development issue (its one you will find in ECNL leagues as well). It clearly hasn’t slowed down player progression at Tophat at all.

At the end of the day, they’re demonstrating something pretty important: you don’t need to be in the perceived “top” league to develop elite players or achieve elite outcomes. They already have visibility, results, and a strong business model. A move to ECNL introduces uncertainty without a clear upside that they aren’t already capturing.

I think the nationals director on the IHS podcast spoke about this. ECNL has better teams which gives the team more competitive games, it challenges their players to see what areas need improvement and as a club where you might be falling short.

Yes you can stay and be king of the mid sized mountain but you’ll never be the best mountain climber until you goto the tallest mountain and try and goto the top. Iron sharpens iron or so they say.

I wouldn’t expect an ECNL director to frame it any differently, that’s kind of the point. But we’ve already talked in this thread about clubs like Tophat producing results that stack up with anyone, regardless of league badge.

The bigger issue is the assumption that ECNL defines the “mountaintop.” It doesn’t. Right now there’s no true, objective pinnacle because the ecosystems are separate. If there were a Champions League style format where top clubs from both leagues competed consistently, then you’d have a clearer, mutually agreed benchmark.

Also, not every top club is built the same way. Some operate more like European academies, prioritizing long-term player development, versatility, and progression over just week-to-week league competition. You could argue that’s actually where ECNL can fall short a bit, because the emphasis can tilt more toward league hierarchy than holistic development.

Tophat, and others are showing you can develop elite players, get USYNT looks, and place into top programs without being in that system. That suggests the “iron sharpens iron” argument isn’t as dependent on one league as people make it out to be. You’re just getting different brands of knives so to speak, and chefs want both brands in their kitchens.

idk, this interview seemed very different to me at least compared to the negativity/trash talking that seems to happen from each side to the other. He was very respectful towards the GA, I found it quite refreshing to hear the take and backed up by why their specific situation is what it is.

He was respectful with how he said it? Well then it must be true and we shouldn't consider his perspective as a ECNL Director saying this on a podcast to a national audience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No announcements.

Clubs got the cold feets

Clubs were never moving. Someone created a fake message and the IHS guy took the bait.

It wasn't IHS guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No announcements.

Clubs got the cold feets

Clubs were never moving. Someone created a fake message and the IHS guy took the bait.

It wasn't IHS guy.

IHS commented on the post. but IHS and IMYS are the same person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No announcements.

Clubs got the cold feets

Clubs were never moving. Someone created a fake message and the IHS guy took the bait.

It wasn't IHS guy.

IHS commented on the post. but IHS and IMYS are the same person.

What did he comment?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No announcements.

Clubs got the cold feets

Clubs were never moving. Someone created a fake message and the IHS guy took the bait.

It wasn't IHS guy.

IHS commented on the post. but IHS and IMYS are the same person.

What did he comment?

He gave it a platform, essentially co-signing. He needs to decide if he wants to be a credible source of information.

[Anonymous]

Wasn’t his comment about the clubs that were leaving having ECNL on the boys side.

Essentially eliminating all clubs with MLSN

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t his comment about the clubs that were leaving having ECNL on the boys side.

Essentially eliminating all clubs with MLSN

I feel like that kind of goes without saying, no club is voluntarily giving up MLSN for ECNL

[Anonymous]

In due time ladies and gents

[Anonymous]

STA news incoming

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:STA news incoming

This one always made the most sense with Football Academy getting GA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I understand why ECNL would want Tophat. But why would Tophat want ECNL? They are thriving in GA and and have tons of visibility. USYNT and P4 placements are consistent and in line with top clubs in the nation. And the club is very profitable. A switch to ECNL would have significant uncertainty.

I can think of a couple of reasons. From a club perspective, they want to compete against better teams. You literally have to go back two seasons ago to find conference winner in that area that was NOT TH. In any age group. Their teams are great, but would still likely benefit from playing stronger competition. From a parent perspective, they probably also want better competition, but it is extremely frustrating to travel so far to play teams that aren’t really competitive when you can have more competition in your area if you had a different badge.

I hear that perspective, but I think it assumes that league affiliation is the primary driver of development, and Tophat is proving that’s not necessarily true.

At a certain point, when you’re consistently producing top-level players, placing into top college programs, and getting United States Youth National Team looks, the marginal benefit of switching leagues becomes pretty limited. Tophat is already getting the outcomes most clubs are chasing.

On the competition piece, yes, there’s value in stronger week-to-week games, but Tophat is clearly supplementing that through showcases and national events. The best clubs don’t rely solely on league play to define their level, they create the right competitive environments around it.

From a parent perspective, I get the frustration with travel for uneven games, but that’s more of a league parity issue than a development issue (its one you will find in ECNL leagues as well). It clearly hasn’t slowed down player progression at Tophat at all.

At the end of the day, they’re demonstrating something pretty important: you don’t need to be in the perceived “top” league to develop elite players or achieve elite outcomes. They already have visibility, results, and a strong business model. A move to ECNL introduces uncertainty without a clear upside that they aren’t already capturing.

I think the nationals director on the IHS podcast spoke about this. ECNL has better teams which gives the team more competitive games, it challenges their players to see what areas need improvement and as a club where you might be falling short.

Yes you can stay and be king of the mid sized mountain but you’ll never be the best mountain climber until you goto the tallest mountain and try and goto the top. Iron sharpens iron or so they say.

I wouldn’t expect an ECNL director to frame it any differently, that’s kind of the point. But we’ve already talked in this thread about clubs like Tophat producing results that stack up with anyone, regardless of league badge.

The bigger issue is the assumption that ECNL defines the “mountaintop.” It doesn’t. Right now there’s no true, objective pinnacle because the ecosystems are separate. If there were a Champions League style format where top clubs from both leagues competed consistently, then you’d have a clearer, mutually agreed benchmark.

Also, not every top club is built the same way. Some operate more like European academies, prioritizing long-term player development, versatility, and progression over just week-to-week league competition. You could argue that’s actually where ECNL can fall short a bit, because the emphasis can tilt more toward league hierarchy than holistic development.

Tophat, and others are showing you can develop elite players, get USYNT looks, and place into top programs without being in that system. That suggests the “iron sharpens iron” argument isn’t as dependent on one league as people make it out to be. You’re just getting different brands of knives so to speak, and chefs want both brands in their kitchens.

idk, this interview seemed very different to me at least compared to the negativity/trash talking that seems to happen from each side to the other. He was very respectful towards the GA, I found it quite refreshing to hear the take and backed up by why their specific situation is what it is.

He was respectful with how he said it? Well then it must be true and we shouldn't consider his perspective as a ECNL Director saying this on a podcast to a national audience.

what do you want? No matter what someone does it’s not acceptable to this forum that’s for sure.

Guess he’s a liar who is on the ECNL payroll, long live GA.

Better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand why ECNL would want Tophat. But why would Tophat want ECNL? They are thriving in GA and and have tons of visibility. USYNT and P4 placements are consistent and in line with top clubs in the nation. And the club is very profitable. A switch to ECNL would have significant uncertainty.

I can think of a couple of reasons. From a club perspective, they want to compete against better teams. You literally have to go back two seasons ago to find conference winner in that area that was NOT TH. In any age group. Their teams are great, but would still likely benefit from playing stronger competition. From a parent perspective, they probably also want better competition, but it is extremely frustrating to travel so far to play teams that aren’t really competitive when you can have more competition in your area if you had a different badge.

I hear that perspective, but I think it assumes that league affiliation is the primary driver of development, and Tophat is proving that’s not necessarily true.

At a certain point, when you’re consistently producing top-level players, placing into top college programs, and getting United States Youth National Team looks, the marginal benefit of switching leagues becomes pretty limited. Tophat is already getting the outcomes most clubs are chasing.

On the competition piece, yes, there’s value in stronger week-to-week games, but Tophat is clearly supplementing that through showcases and national events. The best clubs don’t rely solely on league play to define their level, they create the right competitive environments around it.

From a parent perspective, I get the frustration with travel for uneven games, but that’s more of a league parity issue than a development issue (its one you will find in ECNL leagues as well). It clearly hasn’t slowed down player progression at Tophat at all.

At the end of the day, they’re demonstrating something pretty important: you don’t need to be in the perceived “top” league to develop elite players or achieve elite outcomes. They already have visibility, results, and a strong business model. A move to ECNL introduces uncertainty without a clear upside that they aren’t already capturing.

I think the nationals director on the IHS podcast spoke about this. ECNL has better teams which gives the team more competitive games, it challenges their players to see what areas need improvement and as a club where you might be falling short.

Yes you can stay and be king of the mid sized mountain but you’ll never be the best mountain climber until you goto the tallest mountain and try and goto the top. Iron sharpens iron or so they say.

I wouldn’t expect an ECNL director to frame it any differently, that’s kind of the point. But we’ve already talked in this thread about clubs like Tophat producing results that stack up with anyone, regardless of league badge.

The bigger issue is the assumption that ECNL defines the “mountaintop.” It doesn’t. Right now there’s no true, objective pinnacle because the ecosystems are separate. If there were a Champions League style format where top clubs from both leagues competed consistently, then you’d have a clearer, mutually agreed benchmark.

Also, not every top club is built the same way. Some operate more like European academies, prioritizing long-term player development, versatility, and progression over just week-to-week league competition. You could argue that’s actually where ECNL can fall short a bit, because the emphasis can tilt more toward league hierarchy than holistic development.

Tophat, and others are showing you can develop elite players, get USYNT looks, and place into top programs without being in that system. That suggests the “iron sharpens iron” argument isn’t as dependent on one league as people make it out to be. You’re just getting different brands of knives so to speak, and chefs want both brands in their kitchens.

idk, this interview seemed very different to me at least compared to the negativity/trash talking that seems to happen from each side to the other. He was very respectful towards the GA, I found it quite refreshing to hear the take and backed up by why their specific situation is what it is.

He was respectful with how he said it? Well then it must be true and we shouldn't consider his perspective as a ECNL Director saying this on a podcast to a national audience.

what do you want? No matter what someone does it’s not acceptable to this forum that’s for sure.

Guess he’s a liar who is on the ECNL payroll, long live GA.

Better?

Well, he is on the ECNL payroll indirectly. Not calling him a liar, I'm just saying don't be so naive.