ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldnt you want to change ASAP?

Because change will take a long time. There are too many things that get screwed up by no careful planning. Trapped players is not an issue soccer cares about. I know the parents care but soccer does not.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if they didn’t recommend it. If they just say “we’re going SY in 26/27 with 8/1” most clubs would just do it for next year anyway and play the teams up. For sure all the pre ECNL Ulittles who are all playing up anyway, and the 12s who are about to be trapped next year.

The only exceptions would be maybe teams with a legit chance at a national title next year. Everyone else would want to set themselves up for better performances the following year(s). Plus as everyone has stated it’s probably not that much player movement anyway.

Pre-ECNL U littles are not all playing up. Take northern VA they are in a ECRL Pre-Regional League. They play their league games but except for maybe the top couple of clubs for tournaments they absolutly play their current age. In this imagined scenerio where this league would be SY what happens to all of their clubs other teams that play in a different league that is still BY?

They can bury their heads and play the final season as a BY squad and get killed come next year.

I think this is pretty straight forward. If your club wants to get a jump on things they can, if they don't want to they don't have to. So you can either keep your 14s together on a pre-ecnl team and play them U12 next year, or you can move a couple of fall birthday 13s in with them and play them up U13. In my kids club they would probably look at that as a team by team, league by league decision to see whats best. My youngest girl has already played this year as a 2014 in U11 league with a 2015 on the roster, as a 2014 mixed with 2013s on a pre-ecnl team, and in tournaments both U-11 and U-12 depending on the level of competition.

(I'm changing my scenerio to 2015 because in the Fall they will be the U11 Pre-ECNL team) I see what you are saying but say a club has 3 2015 Teams. Only the top one would pull in fall 2014's. What do they do with the Fall 2015's if anything do they move them down to the B team since they wouldn't be on that A team the next year since they would be pulled into the 2016's? That Fall 2015 is going to have some interesting decisions to make....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldnt you want to change ASAP?

They probably want to, but not all can.

[Anonymous]

People are really missing that ECNL cannot change like this. People can't play up for example -- some do but the it cannot impact college recruiting which is the whole reason ECNL exists.

[Anonymous]

Yet here we are. This is happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yet here we are. This is happening.

What is happening?

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Anonymous wrote:Even if they didn’t recommend it. If they just say “we’re going SY in 26/27 with 8/1” most clubs would just do it for next year anyway and play the teams up. For sure all the pre ECNL Ulittles who are all playing up anyway, and the 12s who are about to be trapped next year.

The only exceptions would be maybe teams with a legit chance at a national title next year. Everyone else would want to set themselves up for better performances the following year(s). Plus as everyone has stated it’s probably not that much player movement anyway.

Pre-ECNL U littles are not all playing up. Take northern VA they are in a ECRL Pre-Regional League. They play their league games but except for maybe the top couple of clubs for tournaments they absolutly play their current age. In this imagined scenerio where this league would be SY what happens to all of their clubs other teams that play in a different league that is still BY?

They can bury their heads and play the final season as a BY squad and get killed come next year.

I think this is pretty straight forward. If your club wants to get a jump on things they can, if they don't want to they don't have to. So you can either keep your 14s together on a pre-ecnl team and play them U12 next year, or you can move a couple of fall birthday 13s in with them and play them up U13. In my kids club they would probably look at that as a team by team, league by league decision to see whats best. My youngest girl has already played this year as a 2014 in U11 league with a 2015 on the roster, as a 2014 mixed with 2013s on a pre-ecnl team, and in tournaments both U-11 and U-12 depending on the level of competition.

So current 2014s would skip a year of 9v9 if their club decides to do to SY and play them up in U13 for next fall. Ugh. My kid is a June 2014 birthday on a pre ECNL team and I think that’s too big of a jump for them. I’d rather this take effect the following year when it’s going to 11v11 anyway. I know some of your kids are good enough to skip a year like that, but mine needs that time. I hope there do end up being viable BY and SY options in the long run because if not this year then late spring/early summer 2015s are going to have this same problem…

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Anonymous wrote:Even if they didn’t recommend it. If they just say “we’re going SY in 26/27 with 8/1” most clubs would just do it for next year anyway and play the teams up. For sure all the pre ECNL Ulittles who are all playing up anyway, and the 12s who are about to be trapped next year.

The only exceptions would be maybe teams with a legit chance at a national title next year. Everyone else would want to set themselves up for better performances the following year(s). Plus as everyone has stated it’s probably not that much player movement anyway.

Pre-ECNL U littles are not all playing up. Take northern VA they are in a ECRL Pre-Regional League. They play their league games but except for maybe the top couple of clubs for tournaments they absolutly play their current age. In this imagined scenerio where this league would be SY what happens to all of their clubs other teams that play in a different league that is still BY?

They can bury their heads and play the final season as a BY squad and get killed come next year.

I think this is pretty straight forward. If your club wants to get a jump on things they can, if they don't want to they don't have to. So you can either keep your 14s together on a pre-ecnl team and play them U12 next year, or you can move a couple of fall birthday 13s in with them and play them up U13. In my kids club they would probably look at that as a team by team, league by league decision to see whats best. My youngest girl has already played this year as a 2014 in U11 league with a 2015 on the roster, as a 2014 mixed with 2013s on a pre-ecnl team, and in tournaments both U-11 and U-12 depending on the level of competition.

So current 2014s would skip a year of 9v9 if their club decides to do to SY and play them up in U13 for next fall. Ugh. My kid is a June 2014 birthday on a pre ECNL team and I think that’s too big of a jump for them. I’d rather this take effect the following year when it’s going to 11v11 anyway. I know some of your kids are good enough to skip a year like that, but mine needs that time. I hope there do end up being viable BY and SY options in the long run because if not this year then late spring/early summer 2015s are going to have this same problem…

They'd only HAVE to play up if it's a random tournament (and most pre-ECNL U12 teams play up either late fall or early spring). Otherwise, they'd just be in the same pre-ECNL league but with 2013s joining.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if they didn’t recommend it. If they just say “we’re going SY in 26/27 with 8/1” most clubs would just do it for next year anyway and play the teams up. For sure all the pre ECNL Ulittles who are all playing up anyway, and the 12s who are about to be trapped next year.

The only exceptions would be maybe teams with a legit chance at a national title next year. Everyone else would want to set themselves up for better performances the following year(s). Plus as everyone has stated it’s probably not that much player movement anyway.

Pre-ECNL U littles are not all playing up. Take northern VA they are in a ECRL Pre-Regional League. They play their league games but except for maybe the top couple of clubs for tournaments they absolutly play their current age. In this imagined scenerio where this league would be SY what happens to all of their clubs other teams that play in a different league that is still BY?

They can bury their heads and play the final season as a BY squad and get killed come next year.

I think this is pretty straight forward. If your club wants to get a jump on things they can, if they don't want to they don't have to. So you can either keep your 14s together on a pre-ecnl team and play them U12 next year, or you can move a couple of fall birthday 13s in with them and play them up U13. In my kids club they would probably look at that as a team by team, league by league decision to see whats best. My youngest girl has already played this year as a 2014 in U11 league with a 2015 on the roster, as a 2014 mixed with 2013s on a pre-ecnl team, and in tournaments both U-11 and U-12 depending on the level of competition.

So current 2014s would skip a year of 9v9 if their club decides to do to SY and play them up in U13 for next fall. Ugh. My kid is a June 2014 birthday on a pre ECNL team and I think that’s too big of a jump for them. I’d rather this take effect the following year when it’s going to 11v11 anyway. I know some of your kids are good enough to skip a year like that, but mine needs that time. I hope there do end up being viable BY and SY options in the long run because if not this year then late spring/early summer 2015s are going to have this same problem…

Right my guess is this is going to be a mixture. Today at every U-little age group my club has some teams playing up and some teams playing true age. My guess is that will be true next year as well, however I'd guess teams playing up a year are likely to be more SY oriented. My youngest actually plays on the 2014 B team today, which is actually 6 2014s with post 8/1 birthdays and 3 2015 Q1 kids. So the team is, as is, more than half way what would be a U10 school year team playing in a U11 division and there are literally 0 post 8/1 birthdays on the top 2014 team. It's almost like our club already saw this coming and started moving in that direction last year.

They'd only HAVE to play up if it's a random tournament (and most pre-ECNL U12 teams play up either late fall or early spring). Otherwise, they'd just be in the same pre-ECNL league but with 2013s joining.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldnt you want to change ASAP?

Because change will take a long time. There are too many things that get screwed up by no careful planning. Trapped players is not an issue soccer cares about. I know the parents care but soccer does not.

Ironically I think soccer cares- personally. This whole thing seems to have caught fire because some leader at ECNL has a trapped kid going through the BS lost season and finally realized what shit it is for 40% of players…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldnt you want to change ASAP?

Because change will take a long time. There are too many things that get screwed up by no careful planning. Trapped players is not an issue soccer cares about. I know the parents care but soccer does not.

Ironically I think soccer cares- personally. This whole thing seems to have caught fire because some leader at ECNL has a trapped kid going through the BS lost season and finally realized what shit it is for 40% of players…

According to him he was always against the change to birth year, but that might have been the impetus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldnt you want to change ASAP?

Because change will take a long time. There are too many things that get screwed up by no careful planning. Trapped players is not an issue soccer cares about. I know the parents care but soccer does not.

Ironically I think soccer cares- personally. This whole thing seems to have caught fire because some leader at ECNL has a trapped kid going through the BS lost season and finally realized what shit it is for 40% of players…

Only when you have first-hand personal experience of how terrible the trapped player is will you be motivated to change. Change to SY is good to future 33% trapped players. Anybody against this change is to put his own Q1/Q2 kids first.

[Anonymous]

⬆️ +1

[Anonymous]

Waiting on CST to post their what their ECNL director pal leaks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Waiting on CST to post their what their ECNL director pal leaks

an ecnl director will not have the info. Anything they say is useless.