Is Notre Dame screwing up?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well some of you wanted to see how thing would look after opening up and after the holiday weekend. They went back to in person classes on September 2. I would say ND has overall handled this extremely well considering the initial spike in cases. Rather than just shut down like the other universities, they rose to the occasion. Proud of this university's leadership and of the students. Let's hope these cases continue to stay low even after the first football weekend this past Saturday. My son told me there were not many parties that he was aware of and that most were hanging out on Library Lawn by the fire tables. Notre Dame is beating COVID.

This is really good news and I hope they serve as a model for other schools!

I'm sorry but this is not beating covid yet. The curve "looks" good the way they present it because they, but the numbers are ticking back up. Having more than 1-3 cases a day is a red flag in a congregate setting. They've had 14, 8 , 7 etc of late. They are talking it up, but they still look worse than other similar institutions--many of whom are open.

Not sure what you are trying to say, but there will be cases. It is just a matter of keeping them low enough as to not overwhelm the COVID response staff or the isolation and quarantine facilities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well some of you wanted to see how thing would look after opening up and after the holiday weekend. They went back to in person classes on September 2. I would say ND has overall handled this extremely well considering the initial spike in cases. Rather than just shut down like the other universities, they rose to the occasion. Proud of this university's leadership and of the students. Let's hope these cases continue to stay low even after the first football weekend this past Saturday. My son told me there were not many parties that he was aware of and that most were hanging out on Library Lawn by the fire tables. Notre Dame is beating COVID.

This is really good news and I hope they serve as a model for other schools!

I'm sorry but this is not beating covid yet. The curve "looks" good the way they present it because they, but the numbers are ticking back up. Having more than 1-3 cases a day is a red flag in a congregate setting. They've had 14, 8 , 7 etc of late. They are talking it up, but they still look worse than other similar institutions--many of whom are open.

Not sure what you are trying to say, but there will be cases. It is just a matter of keeping them low enough as to not overwhelm the COVID response staff or the isolation and quarantine facilities.

No, that was the initial thinking --"flatten the curve" and the like. Now that we know the level of contagiousness, morbidity and mortality rate, people are more focused on stopping the spread further beyond just not overwhelming hospitals. The idea being that if you get a certain level of spread in a congregate setting it will set off a lot of chains of spreads in a variety of directions. There are many institutions that didn't have an outbreak like ND, are open, and don't have as many cases. The way they are representing their data--with the highest day of testing setting the x axis makes a day with 14 cases look like nothing--but it's not nothing. Compare their data with other similarly resourced schools that are open and you'll see. They are doing better than they were but not good comparatively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well some of you wanted to see how thing would look after opening up and after the holiday weekend. They went back to in person classes on September 2. I would say ND has overall handled this extremely well considering the initial spike in cases. Rather than just shut down like the other universities, they rose to the occasion. Proud of this university's leadership and of the students. Let's hope these cases continue to stay low even after the first football weekend this past Saturday. My son told me there were not many parties that he was aware of and that most were hanging out on Library Lawn by the fire tables. Notre Dame is beating COVID.

This is really good news and I hope they serve as a model for other schools!

I'm sorry but this is not beating covid yet. The curve "looks" good the way they present it because they, but the numbers are ticking back up. Having more than 1-3 cases a day is a red flag in a congregate setting. They've had 14, 8 , 7 etc of late. They are talking it up, but they still look worse than other similar institutions--many of whom are open.

Not sure what you are trying to say, but there will be cases. It is just a matter of keeping them low enough as to not overwhelm the COVID response staff or the isolation and quarantine facilities.

No, that was the initial thinking --"flatten the curve" and the like. Now that we know the level of contagiousness, morbidity and mortality rate, people are more focused on stopping the spread further beyond just not overwhelming hospitals. The idea being that if you get a certain level of spread in a congregate setting it will set off a lot of chains of spreads in a variety of directions. There are many institutions that didn't have an outbreak like ND, are open, and don't have as many cases. The way they are representing their data--with the highest day of testing setting the x axis makes a day with 14 cases look like nothing--but it's not nothing. Compare their data with other similarly resourced schools that are open and you'll see. They are doing better than they were but not good comparatively.

We that is exactly what the PP was trying to communicate. With the school starting off with such a surge of cases and the president ready to send students home until the St. Joseph's County health officer convinced him otherwise. And they were successful. This is manageable as is. Although ND has its shares of scholarly students, there is definitely a drinking culture. I believe students are working hard to do the right thing. There are still parties of course. What other school had a spike like that and recovered so quickly and completely. None.

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Can we please end this thread? There’s nothing here anymore. Here are a whole bunch of other schools in much worse shape that you can over analyze. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/lifestyle/college-campuses-19-25-worst-050558996.html

Let it go.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we please end this thread? There’s nothing here anymore. Here are a whole bunch of other schools in much worse shape that you can over analyze. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/lifestyle/college-campuses-19-25-worst-050558996.html

Let it go.

Awesome JMU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we please end this thread? There’s nothing here anymore. Here are a whole bunch of other schools in much worse shape that you can over analyze. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/lifestyle/college-campuses-19-25-worst-050558996.html

Let it go.

On that "list" (far cry from any real data)you should note that most the schools have more students than NDs, who mainly live off-campus and they are all under-resourced public schools. SO, yes, ND is beating a few in that group. Go Irish. Now compare ND to their peers. I have nothing against ND, think it's a great school, but I analyze higher ed data for a living and think they are distorting the picture here. But I'm done checking this thread, so you can keep posting their charts that make 8-14 cases in a day look like a blip, and agree they made no mistakes only missteps and should be a model to all institutions everywhere because they are nearly close to where other similar institutions are after screwing up so badly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we please end this thread? There’s nothing here anymore. Here are a whole bunch of other schools in much worse shape that you can over analyze. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/lifestyle/college-campuses-19-25-worst-050558996.html

Let it go.

On that "list" (far cry from any real data)you should note that most the schools have more students than NDs, who mainly live off-campus and they are all under-resourced public schools. SO, yes, ND is beating a few in that group. Go Irish. Now compare ND to their peers. I have nothing against ND, think it's a great school, but I analyze higher ed data for a living and think they are distorting the picture here. But I'm done checking this thread, so you can keep posting their charts that make 8-14 cases in a day look like a blip, and agree they made no mistakes only missteps and should be a model to all institutions everywhere because they are nearly close to where other similar institutions are after screwing up so badly.

Seven day moving average is 6 cases a day, so not sure where you are getting our 8-14 cases. I know you just want to pick the highest days to suit your narrative. ND is doing awesome. Please find another school that had a spike like this and tamped it down. There are NONE.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we please end this thread? There’s nothing here anymore. Here are a whole bunch of other schools in much worse shape that you can over analyze. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/lifestyle/college-campuses-19-25-worst-050558996.html

Let it go.

On that "list" (far cry from any real data)you should note that most the schools have more students than NDs, who mainly live off-campus and they are all under-resourced public schools. SO, yes, ND is beating a few in that group. Go Irish. Now compare ND to their peers. I have nothing against ND, think it's a great school, but I analyze higher ed data for a living and think they are distorting the picture here. But I'm done checking this thread, so you can keep posting their charts that make 8-14 cases in a day look like a blip, and agree they made no mistakes only missteps and should be a model to all institutions everywhere because they are nearly close to where other similar institutions are after screwing up so badly.

Seven day moving average is 6 cases a day, so not sure where you are getting our 8-14 cases. I know you just want to pick the highest days to suit your narrative. ND is doing awesome. Please find another school that had a spike like this and tamped it down. There are NONE.

Exactly...not sure why the PP is so angry about ND...his kid probably got rejected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we please end this thread? There’s nothing here anymore. Here are a whole bunch of other schools in much worse shape that you can over analyze. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/lifestyle/college-campuses-19-25-worst-050558996.html

Let it go.

On that "list" (far cry from any real data)you should note that most the schools have more students than NDs, who mainly live off-campus and they are all under-resourced public schools. SO, yes, ND is beating a few in that group. Go Irish. Now compare ND to their peers. I have nothing against ND, think it's a great school, but I analyze higher ed data for a living and think they are distorting the picture here. But I'm done checking this thread, so you can keep posting their charts that make 8-14 cases in a day look like a blip, and agree they made no mistakes only missteps and should be a model to all institutions everywhere because they are nearly close to where other similar institutions are after screwing up so badly.

Seven day moving average is 6 cases a day, so not sure where you are getting our 8-14 cases. I know you just want to pick the highest days to suit your narrative. ND is doing awesome. Please find another school that had a spike like this and tamped it down. There are NONE.

Exactly...not sure why the PP is so angry about ND...his kid probably got rejected.

Just STFU, already. This is a tired, overused response.
-NP, with a kid not even in HS

[Anonymous]

I think this thread is great. I hope ND keeps their cases low so they can be a model of how to handle COVID. Parent of a HS senior.

[Anonymous]

Or -- ND has already had 10% of all students actually catch covid since coming to campus. That is not good. They locked down and hopefully have things a bit better under control now. They are only reporting their own testing and they are reporting all tests given -- including hundreds to continually tested athletes.

By way of comparison -- Grand Valley State Univ. is about an hour a way from ND. GVSU has 25,000 students to Notre Dame's 11,000 and has just ordered a lock down because they have 370 active cases and have had 740 total cases since August 1.

So -- is Grand Valley doing "great", because it is showing numbers comparable or even better than ND? Or, is Grand Valley doing terrible -- necessitating a lock down (just put in place)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or -- ND has already had 10% of all students actually catch covid since coming to campus. That is not good. They locked down and hopefully have things a bit better under control now. They are only reporting their own testing and they are reporting all tests given -- including hundreds to continually tested athletes.

By way of comparison -- Grand Valley State Univ. is about an hour a way from ND. GVSU has 25,000 students to Notre Dame's 11,000 and has just ordered a lock down because they have 370 active cases and have had 740 total cases since August 1.

So -- is Grand Valley doing "great", because it is showing numbers comparable or even better than ND? Or, is Grand Valley doing terrible -- necessitating a lock down (just put in place)?

For anyone to go to the lengths to debunk ND's success in conquering COVID as it did is quite amusing as well as worrisome...why all the hatred for ND?

[Anonymous]

“Conquering” = 14-21 days of no local transmission.
“Managing” is probably more appropriate

For now...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Conquering” = 14-21 days of no local transmission.
“Managing” is probably more appropriate

For now...

Notre Dame saved college football this year and quite a few olympic sports team from many colleges and universities.

If ND cancelled, the ACC would have cancelled, and the Big Ten fan base would have been much less outraged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or -- ND has already had 10% of all students actually catch covid since coming to campus. That is not good. They locked down and hopefully have things a bit better under control now. They are only reporting their own testing and they are reporting all tests given -- including hundreds to continually tested athletes.

By way of comparison -- Grand Valley State Univ. is about an hour a way from ND. GVSU has 25,000 students to Notre Dame's 11,000 and has just ordered a lock down because they have 370 active cases and have had 740 total cases since August 1.

So -- is Grand Valley doing "great", because it is showing numbers comparable or even better than ND? Or, is Grand Valley doing terrible -- necessitating a lock down (just put in place)?

For anyone to go to the lengths to debunk ND's success in conquering COVID as it did is quite amusing as well as worrisome...why all the hatred for ND?

So - is Grand Valley doing “great” because it is doing better than Notre Dame? Or, is it doing terrible requiring a lock down which was imposed?