75,000 Pro-Gun Demonstrators in Richmond For "Lobby Day"?

[Anonymous]

I've built guns 100% from scratch. Just blocks of aluminum, steel rod, plastic and wood. I have manual and automated machine tools in my workshop that can turn a shape drawn on a bar napkin into a chunk of metal that is part of a gun.



How are you going to prevent me from making guns? And ammunition.

You can't.

Guns will always exist. I'll see to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've built guns 100% from scratch. Just blocks of aluminum, steel rod, plastic and wood. I have manual and automated machine tools in my workshop that can turn a shape drawn on a bar napkin into a chunk of metal that is part of a gun.



How are you going to prevent me from making guns? And ammunition.

You can't.

Guns will always exist. I'll see to it.

It might make more sense, if you feel unsafe and threatened, to just move to a safer neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The "open NICS to private sellers" suggestion has seemingly driven off the anti-gunners like a crucifix to a vampire.

I guess they don't really care so much about the background checks, as creating a gun registry from second-hand gun sales. That seems to be the real goal for them.


As usual, they lie to conceal their real goals.

Yeah. They usually want no part of the truth but hopefully we can educate them. The same thing happened in the thread where SB16 was discussed extensively. It took many pages and many insults, but they were finally convinced why Northams Assault weapons ban was stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've built guns 100% from scratch. Just blocks of aluminum, steel rod, plastic and wood. I have manual and automated machine tools in my workshop that can turn a shape drawn on a bar napkin into a chunk of metal that is part of a gun.



How are you going to prevent me from making guns? And ammunition.

You can't.

Guns will always exist. I'll see to it.

It might make more sense, if you feel unsafe and threatened, to just move to a safer neighborhood.

I thought it was frowned upon among liberals for people to leave a neighborhood because it's "unsafe", isn't that a code word for white flight?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The "open NICS to private sellers" suggestion has seemingly driven off the anti-gunners like a crucifix to a vampire.

I guess they don't really care so much about the background checks, as creating a gun registry from second-hand gun sales. That seems to be the real goal for them.


As usual, they lie to conceal their real goals.

par·a·noi·a
/?per??noi?/
noun
a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system.



No, my "real goal" is trying to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. You want to give felons the option to buy guns via online classified?

And the responsible, unlicensed gun sellers already ask for concealed carry permit, ID, bill of sale, etc. Open NCIS would a nice extra. It'd be even better if it'd be required for ALL private sales.

It won't stop anyone who wants a gun from getting a gun.

Also it won't stop straw purchases.

No, but it limits their options and makes it more difficult.

From your argument, why have any background checks at all?

Either people should have a background check or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've built guns 100% from scratch. Just blocks of aluminum, steel rod, plastic and wood. I have manual and automated machine tools in my workshop that can turn a shape drawn on a bar napkin into a chunk of metal that is part of a gun.



How are you going to prevent me from making guns? And ammunition.

You can't.

Guns will always exist. I'll see to it.

OK, and? Want me to whip up a special "STAY BACK - I'M FEARFUL" sign on a CNC machine for you? You can hang it over your door so the scary people will stay away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've built guns 100% from scratch. Just blocks of aluminum, steel rod, plastic and wood. I have manual and automated machine tools in my workshop that can turn a shape drawn on a bar napkin into a chunk of metal that is part of a gun.



How are you going to prevent me from making guns? And ammunition.

You can't.

Guns will always exist. I'll see to it.

It might make more sense, if you feel unsafe and threatened, to just move to a safer neighborhood.

I thought it was frowned upon among liberals for people to leave a neighborhood because it's "unsafe", isn't that a code word for white flight?

Why are you bringing race into a discussion about neighborhood safety?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The "open NICS to private sellers" suggestion has seemingly driven off the anti-gunners like a crucifix to a vampire.

I guess they don't really care so much about the background checks, as creating a gun registry from second-hand gun sales. That seems to be the real goal for them.


As usual, they lie to conceal their real goals.

Yeah. They usually want no part of the truth but hopefully we can educate them. The same thing happened in the thread where SB16 was discussed extensively. It took many pages and many insults, but they were finally convinced why Northams Assault weapons ban was stupid.

So you do support universal background checks now? That's great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The "open NICS to private sellers" suggestion has seemingly driven off the anti-gunners like a crucifix to a vampire.

I guess they don't really care so much about the background checks, as creating a gun registry from second-hand gun sales. That seems to be the real goal for them.


As usual, they lie to conceal their real goals.

Yeah. They usually want no part of the truth but hopefully we can educate them. The same thing happened in the thread where SB16 was discussed extensively. It took many pages and many insults, but they were finally convinced why Northams Assault weapons ban was stupid.

So you do support universal background checks now? That's great.

When have I not supported background checks? I would tell you to keep up, but I suspect you are just being disingenuous or trying to save some face.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The "open NICS to private sellers" suggestion has seemingly driven off the anti-gunners like a crucifix to a vampire.

I guess they don't really care so much about the background checks, as creating a gun registry from second-hand gun sales. That seems to be the real goal for them.


As usual, they lie to conceal their real goals.

par·a·noi·a
/?per??noi?/
noun
a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system.



No, my "real goal" is trying to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. You want to give felons the option to buy guns via online classified?

And the responsible, unlicensed gun sellers already ask for concealed carry permit, ID, bill of sale, etc. Open NCIS would a nice extra. It'd be even better if it'd be required for ALL private sales.

It won't stop anyone who wants a gun from getting a gun.

Also it won't stop straw purchases.

No, but it limits their options and makes it more difficult.

From your argument, why have any background checks at all?

Either people should have a background check or not.

I see them as pointless because straw purchases are almost never prosecuted. If we aren't going to prosecute, then background checks only serve to enrich FFL holders.

Actually enforce the rules and I might get on board with itz otherwise it's just a feel-good measure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The "open NICS to private sellers" suggestion has seemingly driven off the anti-gunners like a crucifix to a vampire.

I guess they don't really care so much about the background checks, as creating a gun registry from second-hand gun sales. That seems to be the real goal for them.


As usual, they lie to conceal their real goals.

Yeah. They usually want no part of the truth but hopefully we can educate them. The same thing happened in the thread where SB16 was discussed extensively. It took many pages and many insults, but they were finally convinced why Northams Assault weapons ban was stupid.

So you do support universal background checks now? That's great.

When have I not supported background checks? I would tell you to keep up, but I suspect you are just being disingenuous or trying to save some face.

You support universal background checks? Great!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The "open NICS to private sellers" suggestion has seemingly driven off the anti-gunners like a crucifix to a vampire.

I guess they don't really care so much about the background checks, as creating a gun registry from second-hand gun sales. That seems to be the real goal for them.


As usual, they lie to conceal their real goals.

par·a·noi·a
/?per??noi?/
noun
a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system.



No, my "real goal" is trying to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. You want to give felons the option to buy guns via online classified?

And the responsible, unlicensed gun sellers already ask for concealed carry permit, ID, bill of sale, etc. Open NCIS would a nice extra. It'd be even better if it'd be required for ALL private sales.

It won't stop anyone who wants a gun from getting a gun.

Also it won't stop straw purchases.

No, but it limits their options and makes it more difficult.

From your argument, why have any background checks at all?

Either people should have a background check or not.

I see them as pointless because straw purchases are almost never prosecuted. If we aren't going to prosecute, then background checks only serve to enrich FFL holders.

Actually enforce the rules and I might get on board with itz otherwise it's just a feel-good measure.

So you'd support universal background checks if straw purchases were prosecuted and unlicensed sellers had access to NICS?

And you don't want to prevent felons from purchasing guns from online classified without a background check?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've built guns 100% from scratch. Just blocks of aluminum, steel rod, plastic and wood. I have manual and automated machine tools in my workshop that can turn a shape drawn on a bar napkin into a chunk of metal that is part of a gun.



How are you going to prevent me from making guns? And ammunition.

You can't.

Guns will always exist. I'll see to it.

It might make more sense, if you feel unsafe and threatened, to just move to a safer neighborhood.

I thought it was frowned upon among liberals for people to leave a neighborhood because it's "unsafe", isn't that a code word for white flight?

I live in a condo in Annandale (I rent it) and my neighbors are very diverse. In my building there are a few white people, a few Asian people, a few Hispanic people, a few Black people (some African Americans, some not), a few older people, and a few kids. I've lived here for years and there has never been any significant crime in my building or the complex, well, one time a neighbor was missing an Amazon package but I think it turned out someone had kept it in their place for safekeeping until they got home. I have no idea whether anyone has a gun but I do know that I have never felt a need for one, not just here but in my whole life. I do not live in neighborhoods where one might need a gun to protect the family or their possessions. That's not to say it couldn't happen, but the likelihood is almost zero. It has nothing to do with "white flight" it has to do with choosing where you live carefully based on crime statistics among other things. Anyone can do it, even you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've built guns 100% from scratch. Just blocks of aluminum, steel rod, plastic and wood. I have manual and automated machine tools in my workshop that can turn a shape drawn on a bar napkin into a chunk of metal that is part of a gun.



How are you going to prevent me from making guns? And ammunition.

You can't.

Guns will always exist. I'll see to it.

It might make more sense, if you feel unsafe and threatened, to just move to a safer neighborhood.

I thought it was frowned upon among liberals for people to leave a neighborhood because it's "unsafe", isn't that a code word for white flight?

I live in a condo in Annandale (I rent it) and my neighbors are very diverse. In my building there are a few white people, a few Asian people, a few Hispanic people, a few Black people (some African Americans, some not), a few older people, and a few kids. I've lived here for years and there has never been any significant crime in my building or the complex, well, one time a neighbor was missing an Amazon package but I think it turned out someone had kept it in their place for safekeeping until they got home. I have no idea whether anyone has a gun but I do know that I have never felt a need for one, not just here but in my whole life. I do not live in neighborhoods where one might need a gun to protect the family or their possessions. That's not to say it couldn't happen, but the likelihood is almost zero. It has nothing to do with "white flight" it has to do with choosing where you live carefully based on crime statistics among other things. Anyone can do it, even you!

I have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen, the upstairs, and down in the basement. I've never had a housefire, but I know housefires happen.

What I *don't do*, is say "I'll just move to a neighborhood that has statically fewer housefires", and call it done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've built guns 100% from scratch. Just blocks of aluminum, steel rod, plastic and wood. I have manual and automated machine tools in my workshop that can turn a shape drawn on a bar napkin into a chunk of metal that is part of a gun.



How are you going to prevent me from making guns? And ammunition.

You can't.

Guns will always exist. I'll see to it.

It might make more sense, if you feel unsafe and threatened, to just move to a safer neighborhood.

I thought it was frowned upon among liberals for people to leave a neighborhood because it's "unsafe", isn't that a code word for white flight?

I live in a condo in Annandale (I rent it) and my neighbors are very diverse. In my building there are a few white people, a few Asian people, a few Hispanic people, a few Black people (some African Americans, some not), a few older people, and a few kids. I've lived here for years and there has never been any significant crime in my building or the complex, well, one time a neighbor was missing an Amazon package but I think it turned out someone had kept it in their place for safekeeping until they got home. I have no idea whether anyone has a gun but I do know that I have never felt a need for one, not just here but in my whole life. I do not live in neighborhoods where one might need a gun to protect the family or their possessions. That's not to say it couldn't happen, but the likelihood is almost zero. It has nothing to do with "white flight" it has to do with choosing where you live carefully based on crime statistics among other things. Anyone can do it, even you!

I guarantee you that at least several of your neighbors are gun owners.