DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DA is a shiny new object for girls?

10 years ago ECNL was a shiny new object for girls. It turned into the most successful youth soccer league in the country. So successful that it forced US Soccer to get off their butts. Make no mistake, the ECNL is why the DA now exist. Its a shame they couldnt work together and form a juggernaut.

But the DA has the power now. Like I said before, just watch the recruitment in years to come. Be patient.

I don't disagree that DA could become the better program but just like you had teams outside of ECNL -- Loudon and Arlingtons in NoVA and Pipeline and SAC in MD, you will have other strong clubs outside of DA and ECNL. For any number of reasons, good players will decide that DA/ECNL are not for them. What is likely to happen is that mid-tier and lower will suffer. ECNL will still maintain strong programs and get strong players even if they lose a few to DA. The elite independants will also pick up a few players to replace those that they lose to DA or ECNL. These new players are the top players on mid-tier teams.

We shoudl all be grateful that these options exists for our girls because they did no exists when I was is school.

Can you please stop using Pipeline as an example of a non-DA team? They are affiliated with Spirit, their better players will filter into DA and the rest will stay at Pipeline.

Clueless, Ppileine is not sending its best payers to WS. WS is just there for marketing pursposes.

At u15 and u17 Pipeline is terrible. All their best players went to WS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA is a shiny new object for girls?

10 years ago ECNL was a shiny new object for girls. It turned into the most successful youth soccer league in the country. So successful that it forced US Soccer to get off their butts. Make no mistake, the ECNL is why the DA now exist. Its a shame they couldnt work together and form a juggernaut.

But the DA has the power now. Like I said before, just watch the recruitment in years to come. Be patient.

I don't disagree that DA could become the better program but just like you had teams outside of ECNL -- Loudon and Arlingtons in NoVA and Pipeline and SAC in MD, you will have other strong clubs outside of DA and ECNL. For any number of reasons, good players will decide that DA/ECNL are not for them. What is likely to happen is that mid-tier and lower will suffer. ECNL will still maintain strong programs and get strong players even if they lose a few to DA. The elite independants will also pick up a few players to replace those that they lose to DA or ECNL. These new players are the top players on mid-tier teams.

We shoudl all be grateful that these options exists for our girls because they did no exists when I was is school.

Can you please stop using Pipeline as an example of a non-DA team? They are affiliated with Spirit, their better players will filter into DA and the rest will stay at Pipeline.

And SAC. Pipeline and SAC = Baltimore Armour. Baltimore Armour and Spirit = DA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter, nobody is going to drive by a ECNL or DA club to play for Pipeline either.

But that is the point. If you don't have a DA or ECNL team nearby, you will join the local club that plays the most competitive schedule. I know that folks have are already drinking the DA cool-aid but the reality is that a club like Pipeline, which has multiple teams on the girls side ranked nationally, will remain strong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter, nobody is going to drive by a ECNL or DA club to play for Pipeline either.

But that is the point. If you don't have a DA or ECNL team nearby, you will join the local club that plays the most competitive schedule. I know that folks have are already drinking the DA cool-aid but the reality is that a club like Pipeline, which has multiple teams on the girls side ranked nationally, will remain strong.

At DA age (u14 and up) there is not a Pipeline team ranked at the top in MD let alone nationally

[Anonymous]

CCL just added Herndon. A pretty good size club and with strong teams. Seems like a quality add. http://www.clubchampionsleague.com/2018/03/16/2018-herndon-youth-soccer-to-join-ccl/

[Anonymous]

They are ranked nationally by tournament points...ECNL or DA dont play the tournament point game. If they did, the ranking system would look a lot different. Stop drinking the Gotsoccer kool-aid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Listen, stop using Loudoun, SAC, Pipeline, Arlington, etc. as a baseline. All of them are strong at U13 and below. NONE of them are strong at u14 and above. Why doesn't anyone get this?

Don't believe me? Look at Loudoun college commitments and then look at FCV / McLean college commitments.

Historically, all these top kids left their non-ECNL club for ECNL teams when they got to u14 and over.

Loudoun thinks they are going to hold onto their kids now because they have ECNL...WRONG. All top Loudoun kids will go to FCV DA which is directly next door...is just a fact...maybe some wont...but most will.

DA runs the show from 04 and beyond. The older ECNL teams will stay intact for college recruitment. BUT, its a dying league.

Loudoun and VDA got to the table late...and VDA is only doing it because their BIG BOSS MAN got a job with US Club Soccer which is associated with ECNL...go figure.

Here is a comparison of FCV college commitments versus McLean. For 2018 class McLean ECNL has commitments to UVA, Ohio State, Army, VT. FCV has NC State, ECU, Tennessee. In that group McLean has the #1 recruit in the Mid Atlantic per TopDrawerSoccer. For the 2019 class, McLean again has the #1 recruit who committed to UNC. Bethesda SC is sending girls to Princeton, UNC, Clemson, UVA, WVU, NC State whereas FCV has VT. FCV does better in the 2020 class so far with Duke, UVA, Wake Forest and Penn State whereas McLean has Penn State. FCV does not have any top Mid-Atlantic players in 2021, so it varies year to year.

But FCV is clearly not stronger than McLean with college commitments...

[Anonymous]

You obviously think Loudoun and VDA will be like Mclean....lmfao

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listen, stop using Loudoun, SAC, Pipeline, Arlington, etc. as a baseline. All of them are strong at U13 and below. NONE of them are strong at u14 and above. Why doesn't anyone get this?

Don't believe me? Look at Loudoun college commitments and then look at FCV / McLean college commitments.

Historically, all these top kids left their non-ECNL club for ECNL teams when they got to u14 and over.

Loudoun thinks they are going to hold onto their kids now because they have ECNL...WRONG. All top Loudoun kids will go to FCV DA which is directly next door...is just a fact...maybe some wont...but most will.

DA runs the show from 04 and beyond. The older ECNL teams will stay intact for college recruitment. BUT, its a dying league.

Loudoun and VDA got to the table late...and VDA is only doing it because their BIG BOSS MAN got a job with US Club Soccer which is associated with ECNL...go figure.

Here is a comparison of FCV college commitments versus McLean. For 2018 class McLean ECNL has commitments to UVA, Ohio State, Army, VT. FCV has NC State, ECU, Tennessee. In that group McLean has the #1 recruit in the Mid Atlantic per TopDrawerSoccer. For the 2019 class, McLean again has the #1 recruit who committed to UNC. Bethesda SC is sending girls to Princeton, UNC, Clemson, UVA, WVU, NC State whereas FCV has VT. FCV does better in the 2020 class so far with Duke, UVA, Wake Forest and Penn State whereas McLean has Penn State. FCV does not have any top Mid-Atlantic players in 2021, so it varies year to year.

But FCV is clearly not stronger than McLean with college commitments...

That is an apples to apples when FCV was ECNL. FCV going DA did not change their rosters. McLean kids working on their commitments stayed put. So, while this is a nice list it doesn’t speak to DAs impact down the road, mainly with 05s and younger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are an 03 or older and have an important team role on a ECNL squad in the peak of your players recruitment year you are most definitely staying with your ECNL team. You have already made contacts with coaches, you know your role, where you'll be, when you'll play etc. There is no need to rock the boat and move to a DA team and start from scratch team wise.

There is no surprise that some top performing older ECNL teams stuck together because there was no motive or value in leaving UNLESS you were legitimately on the National Team radar. So DA cannot be judged based on essentially legacy recruitments either way. The proof will be the 04 class and younger. The makeup of the 05 DA teams will be the first true litmus test of where the talent eventually goes.

There are two areas of interest that will put this to the test.
1. Where do Loudoun Red players go?
2. Where do VDA and VSA/PWSI players go?

Arlington just slammed the door on their kids leaving with getting DA. But with Loudoun, VSA and PWSI having a choice between staying "in house" for ECNL or leaving for either DA or another DA will be telling.

Some Loudoun Red players will go to FCV DA, some may go to WS DA. However, most Loudoun players and families love the Loudoun system. Their facilities, organization and quality of training is second to none in the area and likely getting better with facility upgrades and dedicated one-team ECNL coaches. You may be surprised with how many stay at Loudoun.

ECNL may end up lower than DA with level of competition, but its a great alternative. It depends on your goal. If your hope is to get your DD noticed by US Soccer for YNTs go to DA. Good luck with that, your chances are about zero. Case in point - there are 3 current DA teams in VA and 1 in MD. How many DMV area girls made the YNT camps this spring at U-15 and U-14? Zero. However, 2 ECNL girls made U-14 YNT camp from Richmond United. It's a rare feat and DA does not have a monopoly.

If your goal is to get your DD to play DI or DII soccer, it remains to be seen where the coaches will go to recruit. If ECNL keeps putting U-14 players (even from non-DA locations) on YNTs, they WILL attend ECNL Regional events. Because DA only serves pockets of the US, this will happen.

For 99.999% of soccer parents the ultimate goal is for your DD to play college soccer. If ECNL or DA soccer is a way for your kid to get into a better school than she would have with grades alone - YOU WIN - whether you play DA, ECNL or any other league.

[Anonymous]

It's a list based on emotion not logic. Only the sheep are easily swayed. Y

[Anonymous]

Loudoun is a scam. Parents paid for all of that. Loudoun is good for little kids and are benificaries of a huge recreation pool. Robotic coaching. Nothing high end but facilities paid and bought for by the people.

Be for real

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Loudoun is a scam. Parents paid for all of that. Loudoun is good for little kids and are benificaries of a huge recreation pool. Robotic coaching. Nothing high end but facilities paid and bought for by the people.

Be for real

Spoken like a true sour grapes parent. Don't be mad at Loudoun Soccer because your Elite team could never beat them on the field.

[Anonymous]

How Loudoun do at the low level Arligton tournament? Not well I heard..tisk tisk

[Anonymous]

Loudoun 05 red will be Loudoun U14 ECNL team next year. They got beat 5-1 by FCV Elite 05...and didn't win a single game...how the mighty have fallen