To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?

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Anonymous wrote:Elite:

Harvard
Stanford
Yale
MIT
Princeton
Columbia
(Wharton)

I’m ok with this, but take out Columbia

Agree Columbia is out

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Columbia has lots of not so bright kids, as is evident in that other thread started by the Columbia kid giving excuse after excuse.

I thought everyone on the other thread agreed he’s a troll. Its not likely he’s going where he says he’s going.

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Anonymous wrote:Elite:

Harvard
Stanford
Yale
MIT
Princeton
Columbia
(Wharton)

I’m ok with this, but take out Columbia

Agree Columbia is out

There is a research article about how employers of elite firms view these schools, titled “Ivies, Extracurriculars, and Exclusion: Elite Employers' Use of Educational Credentials,” by Professor Lauren Rivera of Northwestern University.

Here’s a quote from the study:"Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, and University of Pennsylvania (Arts and Sciences) were frequently described as 'second tier' schools that were filled primarily with candidates who 'didn’t get in' to a super-elite school."

In other words, employers from elite investment banks and such generally group both Columbia and Wharton with HYP instead of the rest of the ivies. I think it’s fair to say that both Columbia and Wharton are elite.

No in most finance circles, Wharton is a step above Columbia

Wharton is 3 steps above Columbia!

No one gives an F about Wharton except the people who went there. And certainly no one cares about UPenn.

Certainly more so than Columbia though

The vast majority of people in this country and in the world think UPenn is the state flagship of the state of Pennsylvania. The people who do know only learn about the school midway through high school when they Google which colleges are in the Ivy League and realize that UPenn is one. Absolutely no one thinks of it more highly than Columbia, which has a doubled cachet being the NYC Ivy, is higher ranked, more prestigious, and more selective.

I think ppl consider Penn more prestigious

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Anonymous wrote:Elite:

Harvard
Stanford
Yale
MIT
Princeton
Columbia
(Wharton)

I’m ok with this, but take out Columbia

Agree Columbia is out

There is a research article about how employers of elite firms view these schools, titled “Ivies, Extracurriculars, and Exclusion: Elite Employers' Use of Educational Credentials,” by Professor Lauren Rivera of Northwestern University.

Here’s a quote from the study:"Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, and University of Pennsylvania (Arts and Sciences) were frequently described as 'second tier' schools that were filled primarily with candidates who 'didn’t get in' to a super-elite school."

In other words, employers from elite investment banks and such generally group both Columbia and Wharton with HYP instead of the rest of the ivies. I think it’s fair to say that both Columbia and Wharton are elite.

No in most finance circles, Wharton is a step above Columbia

Wharton is 3 steps above Columbia!

No one gives an F about Wharton except the people who went there. And certainly no one cares about UPenn.

Certainly more so than Columbia though

The vast majority of people in this country and in the world think UPenn is the state flagship of the state of Pennsylvania. The people who do know only learn about the school midway through high school when they Google which colleges are in the Ivy League and realize that UPenn is one. Absolutely no one thinks of it more highly than Columbia, which has a doubled cachet being the NYC Ivy, is higher ranked, more prestigious, and more selective.

I think ppl consider Penn more prestigious

Sure, in the same way that people consider Brown more prestigious than Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:If you asked 12th graders where they'd like to attend college next year, no strings, no admissions gaming:

- Northwestern
- Chicago
- Duke

98 out of 100 would choose Duke.

Same question:

- Northwestern
- Chicago
- Columbia
- Penn

98 out of 100 would choose Columbia or Penn.

I don't care how many apps Chicago and NU receive, I don't care how you [they] twist the admissions data, Chicago and Northwestern are simply not top rung elite. And outside of the Rust Belt, nobody sees Chicago as some aspirational city to live in, let alone settle down in after college. It's fairly stagnant, cold as hell half the year, and the crime is through the roof.

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Agree if it's someone from DC. I never even heard of UChicago or Northwestern until after high school. UChicago not until my 30s.

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Anonymous wrote:If you asked 12th graders where they'd like to attend college next year, no strings, no admissions gaming:

- Northwestern
- Chicago
- Duke

98 out of 100 would choose Duke.

Same question:

- Northwestern
- Chicago
- Columbia
- Penn

98 out of 100 would choose Columbia or Penn.

I don't care how many apps Chicago and NU receive, I don't care how you [they] twist the admissions data, Chicago and Northwestern are simply not top rung elite. And outside of the Rust Belt, nobody sees Chicago as some aspirational city to live in, let alone settle down in after college. It's fairly stagnant, cold as hell half the year, and the crime is through the roof.

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Agree if it's someone from DC. I never even heard of UChicago or Northwestern until after high school. UChicago not until my 30s.

I think people pre-internet didn’t know about Stanford. I heard only after I moved to CA. And Northwestern, it’s pretty much an Evanston thing.

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I had three friends from high school who all got into Penn. One went to UVA, another to Duke, and the third to Northwestern. It’s just never been viewed as elite like HYPSM.

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The people in this thread bragging about not having heard about schools like Stanford, Chicago and Northwestern until embarrassingly late is something else, lmao.

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Anonymous wrote:Elite:

Harvard
Stanford
Yale
MIT
Princeton
Columbia
(Wharton)

I’m ok with this, but take out Columbia

Agree Columbia is out

There is a research article about how employers of elite firms view these schools, titled “Ivies, Extracurriculars, and Exclusion: Elite Employers' Use of Educational Credentials,” by Professor Lauren Rivera of Northwestern University.

Here’s a quote from the study:"Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, and University of Pennsylvania (Arts and Sciences) were frequently described as 'second tier' schools that were filled primarily with candidates who 'didn’t get in' to a super-elite school."

In other words, employers from elite investment banks and such generally group both Columbia and Wharton with HYP instead of the rest of the ivies. I think it’s fair to say that both Columbia and Wharton are elite.

No in most finance circles, Wharton is a step above Columbia

Wharton is 3 steps above Columbia!

No one gives an F about Wharton except the people who went there. And certainly no one cares about UPenn.

Certainly more so than Columbia though

The vast majority of people in this country and in the world think UPenn is the state flagship of the state of Pennsylvania. The people who do know only learn about the school midway through high school when they Google which colleges are in the Ivy League and realize that UPenn is one. Absolutely no one thinks of it more highly than Columbia, which has a doubled cachet being the NYC Ivy, is higher ranked, more prestigious, and more selective.

I think ppl consider Penn more prestigious

Sure, in the same way that people consider Brown more prestigious than Harvard.

Columbia is more comparable with Brown

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Anonymous wrote:Elite:

Harvard
Stanford
Yale
MIT
Princeton
Columbia
(Wharton)

I’m ok with this, but take out Columbia

Agree Columbia is out

There is a research article about how employers of elite firms view these schools, titled “Ivies, Extracurriculars, and Exclusion: Elite Employers' Use of Educational Credentials,” by Professor Lauren Rivera of Northwestern University.

Here’s a quote from the study:"Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, and University of Pennsylvania (Arts and Sciences) were frequently described as 'second tier' schools that were filled primarily with candidates who 'didn’t get in' to a super-elite school."

In other words, employers from elite investment banks and such generally group both Columbia and Wharton with HYP instead of the rest of the ivies. I think it’s fair to say that both Columbia and Wharton are elite.

No in most finance circles, Wharton is a step above Columbia

Wharton is 3 steps above Columbia!

No one gives an F about Wharton except the people who went there. And certainly no one cares about UPenn.

Certainly more so than Columbia though

The vast majority of people in this country and in the world think UPenn is the state flagship of the state of Pennsylvania. The people who do know only learn about the school midway through high school when they Google which colleges are in the Ivy League and realize that UPenn is one. Absolutely no one thinks of it more highly than Columbia, which has a doubled cachet being the NYC Ivy, is higher ranked, more prestigious, and more selective.

I think ppl consider Penn more prestigious

Sure, in the same way that people consider Brown more prestigious than Harvard.

Columbia is more comparable with Brown

Penn boosters are really something else, lol. Everyone remembers when Penn was the least desirable Ivy with like a 60%+ acceptance rate only a couple decades ago. Your school is masterful at fabricating history, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if you conveniently forgot about that inconvenient fact.

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Penn boosters are really something else, lol. Everyone remembers when Penn was the least desirable Ivy with like a 60%+ acceptance rate only a couple decades ago. Your school is masterful at fabricating history, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if you conveniently forgot about that inconvenient fact.

The Wharton School of Business was the best or tied for best from what I remember. Maybe you are thinking philosophy majors or something

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Penn boosters are really something else, lol. Everyone remembers when Penn was the least desirable Ivy with like a 60%+ acceptance rate only a couple decades ago. Your school is masterful at fabricating history, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if you conveniently forgot about that inconvenient fact.

The Wharton School of Business was the best or tied for best from what I remember. Maybe you are thinking philosophy majors or something

No one cares. Columbia has always, always been considered the better school above Penn.

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Penn boosters are really something else, lol. Everyone remembers when Penn was the least desirable Ivy with like a 60%+ acceptance rate only a couple decades ago. Your school is masterful at fabricating history, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if you conveniently forgot about that inconvenient fact.

The Wharton School of Business was the best or tied for best from what I remember. Maybe you are thinking philosophy majors or something

No one cares. Columbia has always, always been considered the better school above Penn.

Rational persons care.
Wharton School of Business is elite at the level of HYPSM and clearly above Columbia. UPenn (excluding Wharton) is just below Columbia. Simple. Non-controversial.

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Anonymous wrote:If you asked 12th graders where they'd like to attend college next year, no strings, no admissions gaming:

- Northwestern
- Chicago
- Duke

98 out of 100 would choose Duke.

Same question:

- Northwestern
- Chicago
- Columbia
- Penn

98 out of 100 would choose Columbia or Penn.

I don't care how many apps Chicago and NU receive, I don't care how you [they] twist the admissions data, Chicago and Northwestern are simply not top rung elite. And outside of the Rust Belt, nobody sees Chicago as some aspirational city to live in, let alone settle down in after college. It's fairly stagnant, cold as hell half the year, and the crime is through the roof.

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Agree if it's someone from DC. I never even heard of UChicago or Northwestern until after high school. UChicago not until my 30s.

Chicago is a slightly better version of Columbia. For example Columbia’s Econ and business schools are really lackluster

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Penn boosters are really something else, lol. Everyone remembers when Penn was the least desirable Ivy with like a 60%+ acceptance rate only a couple decades ago. Your school is masterful at fabricating history, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if you conveniently forgot about that inconvenient fact.

The Wharton School of Business was the best or tied for best from what I remember. Maybe you are thinking philosophy majors or something

No one cares. Columbia has always, always been considered the better school above Penn.

Not really..also Columbia is much poorer than Penn

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Penn boosters are really something else, lol. Everyone remembers when Penn was the least desirable Ivy with like a 60%+ acceptance rate only a couple decades ago. Your school is masterful at fabricating history, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if you conveniently forgot about that inconvenient fact.

The Wharton School of Business was the best or tied for best from what I remember. Maybe you are thinking philosophy majors or something

No one cares. Columbia has always, always been considered the better school above Penn.

Rational persons care.
Wharton School of Business is elite at the level of HYPSM and clearly above Columbia. UPenn (excluding Wharton) is just below Columbia. Simple. Non-controversial.

The insistence on separating one sub-unit of the school is such damning proof that Penn is, in fact, an inferior and insecure school. No other school does this. It's really quite embarrassing.