Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters

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Anonymous wrote:Real question here - what happens judicially or criminally to a minor when accused of molestation against other minors?

So if this all happened within statute of limitations and a child reported this or a parent became aware, what happens?

Most likely some form of juvenile detention program.

Juvenile sex abuse and assault is still sex abuse and assault, and are still serious crimes punishable through juvenile court systems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenile_delinquency#Juvenile_sex_crimes

I wonder if the parents/adults that knew about it & don't report it can be held criminally responsible. The statue of limitations, somewhere mentioned as three years, I wonder if that would apply to adults.

I suppose the cop they talked to about it would have had a legal responsibility to report, but he probably got off on the stories of what happened since he was into child porn.

Apparently parents are not mandatory reporters, at least in Arkansas. So I don't think the parents can be held criminally responsible. Entirely screwed up.

Arkansas deserves the backwards reputation it has.

Please. Name one state where parents are mandated reporters. No where is this true.

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Anonymous wrote:In reality, what could the police have done to a 14 year old who fondled girls? I don't think it would be more than counseling.

Um, it's a felony.

I would be HORRIFIED for anyone that simply suggested counseling for any teenager that repeatedly sexually assaulted girls.

Fourteen year olds aren't usually charged with felonies. They're not usually incarcerated either.

...and their records are typically sealed.

I think that's my issue with this scandal. The privacy of all of the children involved should be respected, and it wasn't. It certainly could have been, but everyone would rather expose them as hypocrites than think about the emotional cost to the victims by making this national news.

Attitudes like yours are why molesters get away with so much. People hide the truth about what is going on over concerns for "privacy." They convince the victims that THEY are the ones who should be ashamed, rather than their abuser.

You enable rape culture. You're almost as bad as the Duggars.

Ask yourself why you'd say something so terrible to another person. Seriously, you should be ashamed.

You don't know me, or what I've experienced in life. Protecting identities of victims is important. If they chose to go public when they're old enough to decide for themselves, I'd support them. But, it was leaked for profit, not out of concern for the victims.

Why would I say it? Because people like you enable people like the Duggars. If you don't like being called an enabler, then don't enable rape culture.

Those girls did nothing wrong. Implying that it should be kept a secret for their "privacy" is just a way of saying that victims should be ashamed and not talk about "private" events in public. You silence women. You are almost as bad as the Duggar parents and Josh Duggar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Real question here - what happens judicially or criminally to a minor when accused of molestation against other minors?

So if this all happened within statute of limitations and a child reported this or a parent became aware, what happens?

Most likely some form of juvenile detention program.

Juvenile sex abuse and assault is still sex abuse and assault, and are still serious crimes punishable through juvenile court systems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenile_delinquency#Juvenile_sex_crimes

I wonder if the parents/adults that knew about it & don't report it can be held criminally responsible. The statue of limitations, somewhere mentioned as three years, I wonder if that would apply to adults.

I suppose the cop they talked to about it would have had a legal responsibility to report, but he probably got off on the stories of what happened since he was into child porn.

Apparently parents are not mandatory reporters, at least in Arkansas. So I don't think the parents can be held criminally responsible. Entirely screwed up.

Arkansas deserves the backwards reputation it has.

Please. Name one state where parents are mandated reporters. No where is this true.

I was mostly referring to the statute of limitations, which is shockingly short in Arkansas:

http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/state-civil-statutes-of-limitations-in-child-sexua.aspx

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since when did fondling and molesting become appropriately described with the word "MISTAKE"????? OMG

Because he was a child himself when he did this. He wasn't 40 he was 15. Kids make mistakes

A 15 year old knows to not touch his sisters genitals. This was not a mistake, he didnt fall into her gentials.

A 14 year old who is raised in a healthy environment knows not to touch his sisters genitals. People are forgetting the environment Josh was raised in. Yes, I know, not everyone raised in a similar environment touches his sister, however I don't think we are dealing with garden variety molestation here. Also the Duggars we see today are a sanitized more liberal (yes liberal) version than the one Josh experienced growing up. If you watch the early specials (not the tv show) or read accounts from those who escaped the Cult of Gothard, it was an oppressive regime of lining up in your matching outfits and towing the line. Living in a tiny space and not being allowed out from under the watch of your parents as a normal hormonal teenage boy. A boy who has been told even looking at a woman in sin - see their policy of saying "Nike" when a woman is around so that the boys avert or cover their eyes.

Yes, this is a horrible horrible situation. Yes, the Duggar parents handled it wrong. Yes, what the girls experienced and likely had to bury deep inside is worse. However Josh is the product of his environment and was at the mercy of his parents when this happened. He doesn't think like you or I do, I think all the cries of "hes a child molester! hes a pedophile!" are doing so because they dislike the Duggar's politics and not looking at the situation Josh was and still is in. Having empathy works both ways. Everyone who hates the Duggars for not believing and having empathy as they do should think about having a little bit of empathy and understanding themselves.

This is not a simple cut and dry case, this is a man who was raised in a sexually repressive, oppressive and abusive cult. Who continues in his parents footsteps because he was told daily growing up that if he didn't he would burn and suffer in hell. Who needed therapy as a teenager and was denied it.

^^this. It's definitely not cut and dry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In reality, what could the police have done to a 14 year old who fondled girls? I don't think it would be more than counseling.

Um, it's a felony.

I would be HORRIFIED for anyone that simply suggested counseling for any teenager that repeatedly sexually assaulted girls.

Fourteen year olds aren't usually charged with felonies. They're not usually incarcerated either.

...and their records are typically sealed.

I think that's my issue with this scandal. The privacy of all of the children involved should be respected, and it wasn't. It certainly could have been, but everyone would rather expose them as hypocrites than think about the emotional cost to the victims by making this national news.

Attitudes like yours are why molesters get away with so much. People hide the truth about what is going on over concerns for "privacy." They convince the victims that THEY are the ones who should be ashamed, rather than their abuser.

You enable rape culture. You're almost as bad as the Duggars.

Ask yourself why you'd say something so terrible to another person. Seriously, you should be ashamed.

You don't know me, or what I've experienced in life. Protecting identities of victims is important. If they chose to go public when they're old enough to decide for themselves, I'd support them. But, it was leaked for profit, not out of concern for the victims.

Why would I say it? Because people like you enable people like the Duggars. If you don't like being called an enabler, then don't enable rape culture.

Those girls did nothing wrong. Implying that it should be kept a secret for their "privacy" is just a way of saying that victims should be ashamed and not talk about "private" events in public. You silence women. You are almost as bad as the Duggar parents and Josh Duggar.

I think you said it because you're an asshole. This isn't about you, thankfully. It's about the rights of victims. Maybe you've never been the victim of a pedophile, which is great for you. I have, and I know how it goes. To put the victims through a shitshow for profit is sick, but go ahead and keep defending it. You're a morally bankrupt person.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]In reality, what could the police have done to a 14 year old who fondled girls? I don't think it would be more than counseling. [/quote]

Um, it's a felony.

I would be HORRIFIED for anyone that simply suggested counseling for any teenager that repeatedly sexually assaulted girls. [/quote]

Fourteen year olds aren't usually charged with felonies. They're not usually incarcerated either. [/quote]

...and their records are typically sealed.[/quote]

I think that's my issue with this scandal. The privacy of all of the children involved should be respected, and it wasn't. It certainly could have been, but everyone would rather expose them as hypocrites than think about the emotional cost to the victims by making this national news. [/quote]

Attitudes like yours are why molesters get away with so much. People hide the truth about what is going on over concerns for "privacy." They convince the victims that THEY are the ones who should be ashamed, rather than their abuser.

You enable rape culture. You're almost as bad as the Duggars. [/quote]

Ask yourself why you'd say something so terrible to another person. Seriously, you should be ashamed.

You don't know me, or what I've experienced in life. Protecting identities of victims is important. If they chose to go public when they're old enough to decide for themselves, I'd support them. But, it was leaked for profit, not out of concern for the victims. [/quote]

Why would I say it? Because people like you enable people like the Duggars. If you don't like being called an enabler, then don't enable rape culture.

Those girls did nothing wrong. Implying that it should be kept a secret for their "privacy" is just a way of saying that victims should be ashamed and not talk about "private" events in public. You silence women. You are almost as bad as the Duggar parents and Josh Duggar. [/quote]

I think you said it because you're an asshole. This isn't about you, thankfully. It's about the rights of victims. Maybe you've never been the victim of a pedophile, which is great for you. I have, and I know how it goes. To put the victims through a shitshow for profit is sick, but go ahead and keep defending it. You're a morally bankrupt person. [/quote]

Ironically, "putting the victims through a shitshow for profit" is exactly what the parents have been doing for years. Exploiting one's children on a reality show is the definition of morally bankrupt.

Not the poster you are responding to, by the way, but a survivor of sexual molestation at a church daycare.

[Anonymous]

So, because the Duggar parents put their children through all the media attention, it's OK to continue it with something as sensitive as sexual abuse? Sorry, that's not acceptable to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, because the Duggar parents put their children through all the media attention, it's OK to continue it with something as sensitive as sexual abuse? Sorry, that's not acceptable to me.

Guess you're out of luck then. The chickens are coming home to roost.

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Anonymous wrote:You lose your right to privacy when you molest children. And while I'm sorry if the girls are embarrassed, this is the best shot they have to heal - hopefully they will see what he did was wrong and there are consequences. And making it public will help protect others.

It's not Josh's loss of privacy that was concerning to me. It was the loss of privacy for the very young victims. Maybe you've never been sexually assaulted, but I can assure you seeing it on the national news is not a step towards healing. I do not believe it was made public out of concern for the safety of others.

You are wrong. These girls have NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF and implying that their privacy is more important than the molester facing consequences is exactly what perpetuates this type of abuse and exactly how the family kept it private. Further it is my bope that their loss of privacy may protect Josh's children and others since this pattern of behavior does not go way and is compulsive.

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What would have been acceptable in this situation?

He goes to juvenile detention but returns home to the same young girls he molested? He gets married off and ends up with two daughters of his own? This situation is sad all around.

He was repressed and his parents were and still are part of a belief system that children are gifts from God. If they turned him in would they have lost all of the children in the home?

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Anonymous wrote:What would have been acceptable in this situation?

He goes to juvenile detention but returns home to the same young girls he molested? He gets married off and ends up with two daughters of his own? This situation is sad all around.

He was repressed and his parents were and still are part of a belief system that children are gifts from God. If they turned him in would they have lost all of the children in the home?

This is what people are refusing to see in their blind blanket hatred for all things christian and conservative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You lose your right to privacy when you molest children. And while I'm sorry if the girls are embarrassed, this is the best shot they have to heal - hopefully they will see what he did was wrong and there are consequences. And making it public will help protect others.

It's not Josh's loss of privacy that was concerning to me. It was the loss of privacy for the very young victims. Maybe you've never been sexually assaulted, but I can assure you seeing it on the national news is not a step towards healing. I do not believe it was made public out of concern for the safety of others.

You are wrong. These girls have NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF and implying that their privacy is more important than the molester facing consequences is exactly what perpetuates this type of abuse and exactly how the family kept it private. Further it is my bope that their loss of privacy may protect Josh's children and others since this pattern of behavior does not go way and is compulsive.

I don't think they have anything to be ashamed of, just that respecting their privacy should be a higher priority.

http://www.pcar.org/blog/common-victim-behaviors-survivors-sexual-abuse

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You lose your right to privacy when you molest children. And while I'm sorry if the girls are embarrassed, this is the best shot they have to heal - hopefully they will see what he did was wrong and there are consequences. And making it public will help protect others.

It's not Josh's loss of privacy that was concerning to me. It was the loss of privacy for the very young victims. Maybe you've never been sexually assaulted, but I can assure you seeing it on the national news is not a step towards healing. I do not believe it was made public out of concern for the safety of others.

You are wrong. These girls have NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF and implying that their privacy is more important than the molester facing consequences is exactly what perpetuates this type of abuse and exactly how the family kept it private. Further it is my bope that their loss of privacy may protect Josh's children and others since this pattern of behavior does not go way and is compulsive.

I don't think they have anything to be ashamed of, just that respecting their privacy should be a higher priority.

http://www.pcar.org/blog/common-victim-behaviors-survivors-sexual-abuse

It's difficult to protect the privacy of the sisters because of their fame whore parents, but I don't think the identities of the other girls he molested has been compromised, has it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What would have been acceptable in this situation?

He goes to juvenile detention but returns home to the same young girls he molested? He gets married off and ends up with two daughters of his own? This situation is sad all around.

He was repressed and his parents were and still are part of a belief system that children are gifts from God. If they turned him in would they have lost all of the children in the home?

This is what people are refusing to see in their blind blanket hatred for all things christian and conservative.

I am Christian and conservative and strongly believe that fundamentalism is harmful, to both men and women, boys and girls. Their extremely repressive, abusive, misogynistic lifestyle enables this, as should be obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would have been acceptable in this situation?

He goes to juvenile detention but returns home to the same young girls he molested? He gets married off and ends up with two daughters of his own? This situation is sad all around.

He was repressed and his parents were and still are part of a belief system that children are gifts from God. If they turned him in would they have lost all of the children in the home?

This is what people are refusing to see in their blind blanket hatred for all things christian and conservative.

I am Christian and conservative and strongly believe that fundamentalism is harmful, to both men and women, boys and girls. Their extremely repressive, abusive, misogynistic lifestyle enables this, as should be obvious.

PP: Right. That isn't what was in question or even being disputed. It is the gleeful dancing upon the grave and embellishing of what are already horrible facts that some people, myself including, are finding distasteful and even hypocritical.