The DMV needs a YIMBY revolution

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

Says someone who never takes any bus. Here is an explanation:

A BUS STOP consists of a bus stop sign, on a pole, next to the road. In Montgomery County, there is also a concrete square for people to stand on. If you're lucky, there's a little wall you can sit on, and if you're super lucky, there's a whole bus shelter. There is probably no safe place to cross the street. There might be a sidewalk, or there might not be. There might be a streetlight near by, or it might be dark. If you use a wheelchair, you have to wait for the bus to kneel. When it's raining, passing drivers splash you with nasty street water.

A BRT STATION has a platform, lighting, real-time bus arrival information, a ticket machine, and a shelter. There is a sidewalk. There is a safe place to cross the street. There is level boarding, or a ramp. There are, or are supposed to be, bus-only lanes, so that the bus drivers don't have to merge in and out of car traffic.

There! Now, next time this comes up, you don't have to sound ignorant or like you don't know what you're talking about.

Lordy you all are obnoxious. And stupid. But mostly obnoxious.

A station requires the ability to transfer and has a much higher level of traffic because it's a hub not a stop

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

America does need to grow but you can't just grow housing and nothing else. Where are all these people going to work? What's the plan for public services, like schools? You can't just split a classroom into multiple classrooms , like you can housing.

I think you can add 7-8 more pupils to the average classroom without a discernable overcrowding impact.

It’s called “gentle density.”

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

Says someone who never takes any bus. Here is an explanation:

A BUS STOP consists of a bus stop sign, on a pole, next to the road. In Montgomery County, there is also a concrete square for people to stand on. If you're lucky, there's a little wall you can sit on, and if you're super lucky, there's a whole bus shelter. There is probably no safe place to cross the street. There might be a sidewalk, or there might not be. There might be a streetlight near by, or it might be dark. If you use a wheelchair, you have to wait for the bus to kneel. When it's raining, passing drivers splash you with nasty street water.

A BRT STATION has a platform, lighting, real-time bus arrival information, a ticket machine, and a shelter. There is a sidewalk. There is a safe place to cross the street. There is level boarding, or a ramp. There are, or are supposed to be, bus-only lanes, so that the bus drivers don't have to merge in and out of car traffic.

There! Now, next time this comes up, you don't have to sound ignorant or like you don't know what you're talking about.

Lordy you all are obnoxious. And stupid. But mostly obnoxious.

A station requires the ability to transfer and has a much higher level of traffic because it's a hub not a stop

“I don’t know what you mean by ‘glory,’” Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. “Of course you don’t—till I tell you. I meant ‘there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!’”

“But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument,’” Alice objected.

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

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Anonymous wrote:More Thrive-esque non-answer answers.

https://montgomeryplanning.org/planning/housing/attainable-housing-strategies-initiative/attainable-housing-strategies-what-were-hearing/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR131PtnV3M1nYSqtK0EP7jBzM7C2oq0y4UDW0drpVOCIeAou6mrLuQ696k_aem_Wh6uNhsMWIyGMAGgg9Vl_Q

They are clearly collecting information from these threads

At least they are sweating it a little.

What a bunch of horse poop. The impact statements from developers are a joke and MoCo planning just rubber stamps them. One developer put down that a huge condo building would add just 3 kids to the public school population and MoCo let it through.

Increased Demands on Infrastructure
While impacts on infrastructure (schools, transportation, water and sewer) are likely to be minimal, these can be addressed through existing policies including those contained in the Growth and Infrastructure Policy. For example, attainable housing options are subject to existing transportation and school impact tax payments and any applicable Utilization Premium Payments to mitigate impacts on crowded schools.

When Alexandria Mayor Justin (Huh?)Wilson advocated for all the housing in Potomac Yard WITHOUT the building of a school he was famously quoted stating "Families don't live in apartments"

Not that a gaffe that huge would slow him down given all the D bootlickers in that pathetic city, but there you go.

Pretty funny since Justin Thyme is cramming as many people with kids into apartments as possible. Thanks G-d he will only be counting pencils at Amtrak pretty soon rather than bring building one more damn bike lane or installing pollards or spilling green paint in the streets.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Why do you have to build new schools where there are millions of square feet of unused office space. Alexandria has an elementary school in an office building; Arlington has a middle and high school ( yeah, I know its a "program" and not a "school') in an office building. Many day cares are going into the retail space municipalities made developers add to office buildings. Why waste money on schools when office buildings are available? Also, the declining population of school age children and more children going to private and parochial schools means fewer schools needed overall Why the mania to add schools?

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Anonymous wrote:More Thrive-esque non-answer answers.

https://montgomeryplanning.org/planning/housing/attainable-housing-strategies-initiative/attainable-housing-strategies-what-were-hearing/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR131PtnV3M1nYSqtK0EP7jBzM7C2oq0y4UDW0drpVOCIeAou6mrLuQ696k_aem_Wh6uNhsMWIyGMAGgg9Vl_Q

They are clearly collecting information from these threads

At least they are sweating it a little.

What a bunch of horse poop. The impact statements from developers are a joke and MoCo planning just rubber stamps them. One developer put down that a huge condo building would add just 3 kids to the public school population and MoCo let it through.

Increased Demands on Infrastructure
While impacts on infrastructure (schools, transportation, water and sewer) are likely to be minimal, these can be addressed through existing policies including those contained in the Growth and Infrastructure Policy. For example, attainable housing options are subject to existing transportation and school impact tax payments and any applicable Utilization Premium Payments to mitigate impacts on crowded schools.

When Alexandria Mayor Justin (Huh?)Wilson advocated for all the housing in Potomac Yard WITHOUT the building of a school he was famously quoted stating "Families don't live in apartments"

Not that a gaffe that huge would slow him down given all the D bootlickers in that pathetic city, but there you go.

Pretty funny since Justin Thyme is cramming as many people with kids into apartments as possible. Thanks G-d he will only be counting pencils at Amtrak pretty soon rather than bring building one more damn bike lane or installing pollards or spilling green paint in the streets.

What awful, awful things. Alexandria must be a horrible place, with all those damn bike lanes and bollards and green paint. A nightmare.

I'd like to know HOW he is cramming people with kids into apartments, though. He just grabs them as they go by, and shoves them in the door?

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

America does need to grow but you can't just grow housing and nothing else. Where are all these people going to work? What's the plan for public services, like schools? You can't just split a classroom into multiple classrooms , like you can housing.

I think you can add 7-8 more pupils to the average classroom without a discernable overcrowding impact.

It’s called “gentle density.”

Oh goody. Since there already 27 kids in my younger kid's elementary school classroom, and 32 kids on average in my older one's middle school classes, they can look forward to an ever more intense game of tetris of trying to squeeze even more desks into an already overcrowded classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

America does need to grow but you can't just grow housing and nothing else. Where are all these people going to work? What's the plan for public services, like schools? You can't just split a classroom into multiple classrooms , like you can housing.

I think you can add 7-8 more pupils to the average classroom without a discernable overcrowding impact.

It’s called “gentle density.”

Oh goody. Since there already 27 kids in my younger kid's elementary school classroom, and 32 kids on average in my older one's middle school classes, they can look forward to an ever more intense game of tetris of trying to squeeze even more desks into an already overcrowded classroom.

Gentle density! Lmao!

These crazy kids, what will they make up next?

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

Says someone who never takes any bus. Here is an explanation:

A BUS STOP consists of a bus stop sign, on a pole, next to the road. In Montgomery County, there is also a concrete square for people to stand on. If you're lucky, there's a little wall you can sit on, and if you're super lucky, there's a whole bus shelter. There is probably no safe place to cross the street. There might be a sidewalk, or there might not be. There might be a streetlight near by, or it might be dark. If you use a wheelchair, you have to wait for the bus to kneel. When it's raining, passing drivers splash you with nasty street water.

A BRT STATION has a platform, lighting, real-time bus arrival information, a ticket machine, and a shelter. There is a sidewalk. There is a safe place to cross the street. There is level boarding, or a ramp. There are, or are supposed to be, bus-only lanes, so that the bus drivers don't have to merge in and out of car traffic.

There! Now, next time this comes up, you don't have to sound ignorant or like you don't know what you're talking about.

See, everyone?

It’s a very special MAGIC bus stop!

It has a PLATFORM, and LIGHTING!

A TICKET MACHINE!

Wow, surely, so many people will ride the magic bus. Why have cars at all!

I think that the Simpsons pretty well covered this dime store version of “mass transit.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v4z_9NcIJXI

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

America does need to grow but you can't just grow housing and nothing else. Where are all these people going to work? What's the plan for public services, like schools? You can't just split a classroom into multiple classrooms , like you can housing.

I think you can add 7-8 more pupils to the average classroom without a discernable overcrowding impact.

It’s called “gentle density.”

Haven't they already done that in Alexandria? Alexandria is working on the second and third round of squeezing in a few kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

America does need to grow but you can't just grow housing and nothing else. Where are all these people going to work? What's the plan for public services, like schools? You can't just split a classroom into multiple classrooms , like you can housing.

I think you can add 7-8 more pupils to the average classroom without a discernable overcrowding impact.

It’s called “gentle density.”

Haven't they already done that in Alexandria? Alexandria is working on the second and third round of squeezing in a few kids.

Yeah, there is no scope for adding kids to classrooms here. The answer is more schools, but that is a distraction from being pimped by developers so our city council will keep ignoring the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

Says someone who never takes any bus. Here is an explanation:

A BUS STOP consists of a bus stop sign, on a pole, next to the road. In Montgomery County, there is also a concrete square for people to stand on. If you're lucky, there's a little wall you can sit on, and if you're super lucky, there's a whole bus shelter. There is probably no safe place to cross the street. There might be a sidewalk, or there might not be. There might be a streetlight near by, or it might be dark. If you use a wheelchair, you have to wait for the bus to kneel. When it's raining, passing drivers splash you with nasty street water.

A BRT STATION has a platform, lighting, real-time bus arrival information, a ticket machine, and a shelter. There is a sidewalk. There is a safe place to cross the street. There is level boarding, or a ramp. There are, or are supposed to be, bus-only lanes, so that the bus drivers don't have to merge in and out of car traffic.

There! Now, next time this comes up, you don't have to sound ignorant or like you don't know what you're talking about.

See, everyone?

It’s a very special MAGIC bus stop!

It has a PLATFORM, and LIGHTING!

A TICKET MACHINE!

Wow, surely, so many people will ride the magic bus. Why have cars at all!

I think that the Simpsons pretty well covered this dime store version of “mass transit.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v4z_9NcIJXI

Eh? No, it's not a "very special MAGIC bus stop." It's a BRT station. Will people choose to use frequent, reliable, convenient public transportation? Yes, I think so. But don't worry, you will still be able to transport yourself by car, if you wish.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

America does need to grow but you can't just grow housing and nothing else. Where are all these people going to work? What's the plan for public services, like schools? You can't just split a classroom into multiple classrooms , like you can housing.

I think you can add 7-8 more pupils to the average classroom without a discernable overcrowding impact.

It’s called “gentle density.”

Haven't they already done that in Alexandria? Alexandria is working on the second and third round of squeezing in a few kids.

Yeah, there is no scope for adding kids to classrooms here. The answer is more schools, but that is a distraction from being pimped by developers so our city council will keep ignoring the issue.

But but but there is always room for 6-7 more kids in every classroom. It's called "gentle" density. /s

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

America does need to grow but you can't just grow housing and nothing else. Where are all these people going to work? What's the plan for public services, like schools? You can't just split a classroom into multiple classrooms , like you can housing.

I think you can add 7-8 more pupils to the average classroom without a discernable overcrowding impact.

It’s called “gentle density.”

Haven't they already done that in Alexandria? Alexandria is working on the second and third round of squeezing in a few kids.

Yeah, there is no scope for adding kids to classrooms here. The answer is more schools, but that is a distraction from being pimped by developers so our city council will keep ignoring the issue.

But but but there is always room for 6-7 more kids in every classroom. It's called "gentle" density. /s

“Gentle” density. Where you have to be gentle with everyone because you’re sitting on top of them.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

Says someone who never takes any bus. Here is an explanation:

A BUS STOP consists of a bus stop sign, on a pole, next to the road. In Montgomery County, there is also a concrete square for people to stand on. If you're lucky, there's a little wall you can sit on, and if you're super lucky, there's a whole bus shelter. There is probably no safe place to cross the street. There might be a sidewalk, or there might not be. There might be a streetlight near by, or it might be dark. If you use a wheelchair, you have to wait for the bus to kneel. When it's raining, passing drivers splash you with nasty street water.

A BRT STATION has a platform, lighting, real-time bus arrival information, a ticket machine, and a shelter. There is a sidewalk. There is a safe place to cross the street. There is level boarding, or a ramp. There are, or are supposed to be, bus-only lanes, so that the bus drivers don't have to merge in and out of car traffic.

There! Now, next time this comes up, you don't have to sound ignorant or like you don't know what you're talking about.

See, everyone?

It’s a very special MAGIC bus stop!

It has a PLATFORM, and LIGHTING!

A TICKET MACHINE!

Wow, surely, so many people will ride the magic bus. Why have cars at all!

I think that the Simpsons pretty well covered this dime store version of “mass transit.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v4z_9NcIJXI

Eh? No, it's not a "very special MAGIC bus stop." It's a BRT station. Will people choose to use frequent, reliable, convenient public transportation? Yes, I think so. But don't worry, you will still be able to transport yourself by car, if you wish.

You think so?

Well, that sounds like a solid, well researched, plan. Look, everyone, it’s finally here. There are going to be so many people taking the bus that we can change zoning and parking requirements. He thinks so, so that’s enough research for me.

Don’t worry about schools, we’ve been assured that it’s going be “gentle density.” No, no need to any serious discussion. It’s gentle. How bad could it be?

We’ve also been told that it’s a “bad thing” if you are concerned about your property values or quality of life. Don’t do the “bad things,”. It gives the YIMBYs hurt feelings.

Isn’t it nice that we have such serious people trying to drive policy in Montgomery County?