The DMV needs a YIMBY revolution

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The highest demand is for affordable housing, and the least-highest demand is for market-rate or luxury housing. Yet YIMBYs insist that stuffing neighborhoods with market-rate or luxury housing -- the housing with the lowest demand -- will lead to lower prices. It doesn't add up. Filtering is a myth.

https://x.com/KyrstensCloset/status/1830412290602291581

For filtering to work, market-rate or luxury housing needs to be the most in-demand housing. It isn't.

+1. Or high-end housing production needs to exceed growth in the number of high-income households. That usually doesn’t happen without a much steeper increase in rents than has happened in the DC area. Our relatively gentle slope in average rents means there’s less headroom for rents to go down before building here isn’t profitable enough (think 15% or higher annual returns — the level of greed we’re dealing with means 7% is a joke).

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unironically.
Most of you will hate this but I don’t care. We all need to suck it up and move into the 21st century, 25 years too late.

No more tweaking around the edges with low-level zoning reform or a few more metro stops or buses here and there. We need a broad scale systematic urban planning overhaul that completely eliminates single family zoning anywhere inside the Beltway.

Single family zoning is simply unsustainable. We can’t grow our economy if we don’t have new residents and we can’t have new residents if we don’t have homes. And if we don’t have more homes near better, reliable transit, then everyone will be more miserable stuck in traffic and less productive at work and less economically competitive. We need to completely eliminate suburban sprawl. The 1950s planned communities need to stay in the past. In a perfect world we’d move everyone closer in to promote re-wilding of our exurbs.

Nobody should be living in a single family suburban home and drive an SUV. It should be either urban, dense multi family dwelling walkable 15-minute neighborhoods, or rural homesteads, preferably using their land for organic family farming and solar fields and green spaces.

If it weren’t for American “but muh freedumb!” selfish ideology, I guarantee we would all have a much higher quality of life with less traffic, less stress, stronger communities, less obesity, and a better economy.

Bring on the YIMBY revolution.

This is a very funny post. I assume OP wrote this to be funny. If not, you have solutions in search of problems. There is no economic issue in this region. Area is booming. Will keep doing so under any administration. Can't really make it better. Recession proof and envy of the rest of the country.

How people live is not up to you are really anyone else. We have no quality of life crisis in this country. Look around the world and see.

Even if your ideas were good, which they are not, Would not happen -- Congress would override anything that DC did -- no matter what party has power. Nothing like this would happen in VA under any circumstances. I feel the same way about MD as well. At its core MD is a rural/suburb state. Not likely to vote that way.

What we could do is the reverse. I would be in favor of creating more single family homes in DC so that people can live in DC as they wish to do. That should be the goal.

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"'How people live is not up to you or really anyone else' but instead of building more of this type of housing for people to live in, which is what you want, I think we should build more of that type of housing for people to live in, which is what I want!"

[Anonymous]

The DMV already has a YIMBY revolution.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unironically.
Most of you will hate this but I don’t care. We all need to suck it up and move into the 21st century, 25 years too late.

No more tweaking around the edges with low-level zoning reform or a few more metro stops or buses here and there. We need a broad scale systematic urban planning overhaul that completely eliminates single family zoning anywhere inside the Beltway.

Single family zoning is simply unsustainable. We can’t grow our economy if we don’t have new residents and we can’t have new residents if we don’t have homes. And if we don’t have more homes near better, reliable transit, then everyone will be more miserable stuck in traffic and less productive at work and less economically competitive. We need to completely eliminate suburban sprawl. The 1950s planned communities need to stay in the past. In a perfect world we’d move everyone closer in to promote re-wilding of our exurbs.

Nobody should be living in a single family suburban home and drive an SUV. It should be either urban, dense multi family dwelling walkable 15-minute neighborhoods, or rural homesteads, preferably using their land for organic family farming and solar fields and green spaces.

If it weren’t for American “but muh freedumb!” selfish ideology, I guarantee we would all have a much higher quality of life with less traffic, less stress, stronger communities, less obesity, and a better economy.

Bring on the YIMBY revolution.

This is a very funny post. I assume OP wrote this to be funny. If not, you have solutions in search of problems. There is no economic issue in this region. Area is booming. Will keep doing so under any administration. Can't really make it better. Recession proof and envy of the rest of the country.

How people live is not up to you are really anyone else. We have no quality of life crisis in this country. Look around the world and see.

Even if your ideas were good, which they are not, Would not happen -- Congress would override anything that DC did -- no matter what party has power. Nothing like this would happen in VA under any circumstances. I feel the same way about MD as well. At its core MD is a rural/suburb state. Not likely to vote that way.

What we could do is the reverse. I would be in favor of creating more single family homes in DC so that people can live in DC as they wish to do. That should be the goal.

That PP is an idiot. I do not disagree. But we cannot stoop to their level. There is enough SFH in the District but much of it is in underperforming school areas. It's time for the millennials to gentrify the areas they supposedly have such concern for. That is how development has always worked and we just need to let the process play out.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

If you mean ONE bus is mass transit in the same way a donkey cart is, then sure, but a robust bus system is definitely mass transit. There are whole neighborhoods in D.C. where it's much easier to take the bus downtown than the Metro.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you selfish NIMBYs need to get it through your thick skulls that America needs to GROW and believe it or not we can build a school or two if necessary. Your obsession with your property values is obvious.

Then please inform the “thick skulls” running Alexandria of this because they are apparently incapable of building new schools despite having the largest high school and two of the largest middle schools in the state.

But no, you won’t do that. You’ll just pretend that any concerns about your policies are immediately invalid.

+1 I don't mind density. I'm from NYC. If someone wants to buy a close to metro house and knock it down and build a triplex, such is life. But the urban planning that I've seen in Maryland in terms of inadequate planning for increased traffic and school overcrowding is just making it such that they're wrecking quality of life and our kids' educational future.

They don’t care one bit. Likely that they welcome it as they don’t like the very idea of suburbia.

Weird bike riding libertarians in Che Guevara tshirts, rooting for the bus as mass transit? We are doomed.

Of all the silly ideas in this thread, the idea that buses are not mass transit must be the silliest.

Well, at least you admit that it’s just a bus, and not some magical super bus that people are actually going to use. We’ve made some progress.

It’s mass transit in the same way a large enough donkey cart would be, but it don’t think that’s a good system on which base changes in zoning and parking requirements.

Most people would rather have trains than buses to be sure. But most people when considering costs and benefits, and the terrible track record of the Purple Line which has billions in overruns and nothing to show for it a decade later, would rather have a functioning bus rapid transit lane which is quick and still manages to move a lot of commuters. I've seen it in several cities and it works well.

While much of that is true none of that means that we should treat bus stops the same as metro stations in terms of density and targeted development subsidies.

Good news! Nobody is proposing to do this! You can rest easy.

Except you are lying. The thrive plans turn BRT stops into metro stops in terms of density and incentives.

Oh, BRT stations! I thought you were talking about bus stops.

They're still bus stops and nothing more. The weird use of pretend language is the thing that turns people rabidly away from your ideas, gets you labeled as a crazy, and is why people say that you all lie all the tine

Says someone who never takes any bus. Here is an explanation:

A BUS STOP consists of a bus stop sign, on a pole, next to the road. In Montgomery County, there is also a concrete square for people to stand on. If you're lucky, there's a little wall you can sit on, and if you're super lucky, there's a whole bus shelter. There is probably no safe place to cross the street. There might be a sidewalk, or there might not be. There might be a streetlight near by, or it might be dark. If you use a wheelchair, you have to wait for the bus to kneel. When it's raining, passing drivers splash you with nasty street water.

A BRT STATION has a platform, lighting, real-time bus arrival information, a ticket machine, and a shelter. There is a sidewalk. There is a safe place to cross the street. There is level boarding, or a ramp. There are, or are supposed to be, bus-only lanes, so that the bus drivers don't have to merge in and out of car traffic.

There! Now, next time this comes up, you don't have to sound ignorant or like you don't know what you're talking about.