Taylor Swift album Tortured Poets Department leaked early?

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Anonymous wrote:What’s worse is Ina few weeks she’s going to be standing in stage with her sweet as sugar smile and point to all her fans and do the heart signs and her little champagne problems spiel and we are all going to know she’s actually ungrateful and angry at her fans because she was so mad this unwashed druggy wouldn’t call her back. This is a PR disaster for her. Ironic her publicist just had a huge glowing write up over the weekend from WSJ. Hubris is dangerous, maybe she will seek solace in forgiveness from a higher power because it’s all gone to her head and Karma has a way as she knows all too well.

Seek professional help.

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She was obviously with MH for quite awhile given they were exchanging I Love Yous in public. Probably together a few months at least to reach that stage. These are adults in their 30s, not middle schoolers.

I think her first public I Love Yous to Travis were about 6 months in?

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Anonymous wrote:So.Many.Words.

As always, I'm very impressed that she's able to write these complicated, interesting lyrics. But at the same time, it's such a word dump! I love TS but as another poster said, I feel she's really becoming overexposed. How many albums does she need to put out? And the constant revenge/pining theme isn't healthy for young girls to internalize.

I disagree. I’m 48 and only now getting in touch with my rage as a woman. I was taught to be a real people pleaser, always be glass half full, and I stuffed so much inside and I don’t think that’s healthy. Maybe it’s not healthy to go too far the other way, but I think her generation is trying to balance some of that and I appreciate it.

I mean, look at what is happening in our own country with women’s rights. I think it’s OK for girls to internalize some bad stuff, it’s not sunshine and roses.

I’m 47 and Alanis, Tori and Sinead were my musical rage women. I agree that women need to be in touch with their anger, but they also need to learn to speak it, and act on it (not with aggression, but as a sign that their rights/beliefs are being violated in some way). I don’t think Taylor does the second part well. She can point out her rage and then sit on stage in front of her fans giving a glitter sparkle performance in a mask. The singers of our generation were better about being honest about their feelings on and off the stage.

Sure, maybe not. Taylor is definitely not Alanis. But she is who she is and fans seem to be responding and rather than pick it apart and try to force her to be what she’s not it’s so curious why people can’t let it be. I just don’t remember people picking apart alanis Morissette or any of the other artists you just named. They were who they were and their genre is their genre and yet we want Taylor to be everything to everybody when she’s not, we get really up in arms about it. It’s very strange.

Taylor is angry but not angry enough. She writes great pop songs but they don’t appeal to everyone like middle aged men so she’s failed because great pops songs should be universal I guess.

She writes about heartbreak but she writes TOO MUCH about heartbreak.

Just from the last dozen posts alone I gather this.

You really need to watch the Sinead O’Connor documentary because.. The fact that you said you don’t remember people picking our part clearly you don’t know who she is.

Of course I remember Sinead. You missed my point. Were people picking her apart because she wrote too much about heartbreak? Or any other reason that people pick Taylor apart?

It was all political… You know this is totally different. Don’t be dense.

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Anonymous wrote:I think so weird how people are like I can’t relate to what she’s singing about, why is she still singing about Break ups and falling in love? Those times are so fleeting in our lives that sometimes a good song like that reminds you what it’s like to be “Down Bad” and bring back those feelings of nostalgia. If not that we relate to it now, but it brings up old feelings and that’s not necessarily a bad thing!

Those times are clearly not fleeting in Taylor’s life. They have been a constant since she was a teen.

If people acted normal about Taylor, none of this would be a topic. It’s the crazy obsession that is bizarre. It’s the death threats and threats of violence sent to article writer who critique her. It’s the hyperventilating and crying over seeing a glimpse of her. It’s the insane amounts of money people pay and debt they will go into just to see a show. It isn’t healthy. It’s adults obsessed with a singer to the point that they lose all rational thought.

There are many worst things To be addicted to. I will take a Taylor Swift addicted America over alternatives.

I could not disagree more. You could be addicted to exercise (ie train for the Iron Man). Or in the case of Taylor’s target audience, you could be addicted to doing your homework and achieving. You could be addicted to cleaning or cooking or reading or knitting or playing the piano or swimming or basketball. I can think of a million better addictions than obsessing over Taylor Swift.

Being fascinated with such a mediocre talent is precisely what is ruining America.

Yet here you are, as captivated as anyone else. Joke’s on you.

Not really, the more people talk about how much they don’t like her, the less financing she’ll get for that next album. Eventually she will fade away.

Yesterday her record hit 500 million streams in one day, the fastest for any artist in history. This doesn’t even account for the sales of physical media. She’s currently still on her tour which will ultimately end up being the highest grossing of all time. She is not going anywhere, you’re just a bitter hag.

Because of the internet, any musician today has a bigger world market than the ones from before. A tween in China or Russia can stream Taylor, but their parents/grandparents couldn’t buy a Beatles record or a Michael Jackson single. Those things weren’t for sale, so you can’t really compare her sales to anyone, but other musicians today.

Also, because of the internet, gone are the days of managers and agents scanning clubs and local venues for talent. There’s no point, their songs will end up free on YouTube and their managers won’t make money. They are not looking for the best singers anymore. Instead, they’re make money on the very few who have connections and more importantly FINANCING so that the record label can get paid and they can all keep their houses and cars, etc.

Taylor Swift is one of those lucky few, financed and marketed to the extreme, but she lacks real talent. Sure, a talented musician can now post on YouTube, too, but who is going to see them without the marketing? You might as well sing in the streets.

Worse than the fact that the managers and record labels won’t look for talented musicians anymore, they actively prevent them from reaching wider audiences, because actual talent makes the pre-packaged, well financed musicians they’ve backed (ie Taylor) look like the sh-t that they are in comparison.

I’m not old, but you are right, I am am bitter, bitter that my grandparents had Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry, while I’m repeatedly forced to listen to the cat in Heat voice of Taylor every time I leave the house.

But all things are cyclical and eventually a true talent will somehow break through.

Taylor will go away. It’s just a matter of time.

Five paragraphs?? Anyway stay mad

I’m a lawyer. I write five paragraphs in my sleep and wrote that post on the toilet while doing you know what while thinking of Taylor. It was the time ever I found her work to be “inspiring.”

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Anonymous wrote:So.Many.Words.

As always, I'm very impressed that she's able to write these complicated, interesting lyrics. But at the same time, it's such a word dump! I love TS but as another poster said, I feel she's really becoming overexposed. How many albums does she need to put out? And the constant revenge/pining theme isn't healthy for young girls to internalize.

I disagree. I’m 48 and only now getting in touch with my rage as a woman. I was taught to be a real people pleaser, always be glass half full, and I stuffed so much inside and I don’t think that’s healthy. Maybe it’s not healthy to go too far the other way, but I think her generation is trying to balance some of that and I appreciate it.

I mean, look at what is happening in our own country with women’s rights. I think it’s OK for girls to internalize some bad stuff, it’s not sunshine and roses.

I’m 47 and Alanis, Tori and Sinead were my musical rage women. I agree that women need to be in touch with their anger, but they also need to learn to speak it, and act on it (not with aggression, but as a sign that their rights/beliefs are being violated in some way). I don’t think Taylor does the second part well. She can point out her rage and then sit on stage in front of her fans giving a glitter sparkle performance in a mask. The singers of our generation were better about being honest about their feelings on and off the stage.

Sure, maybe not. Taylor is definitely not Alanis. But she is who she is and fans seem to be responding and rather than pick it apart and try to force her to be what she’s not it’s so curious why people can’t let it be. I just don’t remember people picking apart alanis Morissette or any of the other artists you just named. They were who they were and their genre is their genre and yet we want Taylor to be everything to everybody when she’s not, we get really up in arms about it. It’s very strange.

Taylor is angry but not angry enough. She writes great pop songs but they don’t appeal to everyone like middle aged men so she’s failed because great pops songs should be universal I guess.

She writes about heartbreak but she writes TOO MUCH about heartbreak.

Just from the last dozen posts alone I gather this.

You really need to watch the Sinead O’Connor documentary because.. The fact that you said you don’t remember people picking our part clearly you don’t know who she is.

Of course I remember Sinead. You missed my point. Were people picking her apart because she wrote too much about heartbreak? Or any other reason that people pick Taylor apart?

It was all political… You know this is totally different. Don’t be dense.

No it's not different. She was boo'd off stages. Also Sinead wrote maybe 20 songs.

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Anonymous wrote:I think so weird how people are like I can’t relate to what she’s singing about, why is she still singing about Break ups and falling in love? Those times are so fleeting in our lives that sometimes a good song like that reminds you what it’s like to be “Down Bad” and bring back those feelings of nostalgia. If not that we relate to it now, but it brings up old feelings and that’s not necessarily a bad thing!

Those times are clearly not fleeting in Taylor’s life. They have been a constant since she was a teen.

If people acted normal about Taylor, none of this would be a topic. It’s the crazy obsession that is bizarre. It’s the death threats and threats of violence sent to article writer who critique her. It’s the hyperventilating and crying over seeing a glimpse of her. It’s the insane amounts of money people pay and debt they will go into just to see a show. It isn’t healthy. It’s adults obsessed with a singer to the point that they lose all rational thought.

There are many worst things To be addicted to. I will take a Taylor Swift addicted America over alternatives.

I could not disagree more. You could be addicted to exercise (ie train for the Iron Man). Or in the case of Taylor’s target audience, you could be addicted to doing your homework and achieving. You could be addicted to cleaning or cooking or reading or knitting or playing the piano or swimming or basketball. I can think of a million better addictions than obsessing over Taylor Swift.

Being fascinated with such a mediocre talent is precisely what is ruining America.

Yet here you are, as captivated as anyone else. Joke’s on you.

Not really, the more people talk about how much they don’t like her, the less financing she’ll get for that next album. Eventually she will fade away.

Yesterday her record hit 500 million streams in one day, the fastest for any artist in history. This doesn’t even account for the sales of physical media. She’s currently still on her tour which will ultimately end up being the highest grossing of all time. She is not going anywhere, you’re just a bitter hag.

Because of the internet, any musician today has a bigger world market than the ones from before. A tween in China or Russia can stream Taylor, but their parents/grandparents couldn’t buy a Beatles record or a Michael Jackson single. Those things weren’t for sale, so you can’t really compare her sales to anyone, but other musicians today.

Also, because of the internet, gone are the days of managers and agents scanning clubs and local venues for talent. There’s no point, their songs will end up free on YouTube and their managers won’t make money. They are not looking for the best singers anymore. Instead, they’re make money on the very few who have connections and more importantly FINANCING so that the record label can get paid and they can all keep their houses and cars, etc.

Taylor Swift is one of those lucky few, financed and marketed to the extreme, but she lacks real talent. Sure, a talented musician can now post on YouTube, too, but who is going to see them without the marketing? You might as well sing in the streets.

Worse than the fact that the managers and record labels won’t look for talented musicians anymore, they actively prevent them from reaching wider audiences, because actual talent makes the pre-packaged, well financed musicians they’ve backed (ie Taylor) look like the sh-t that they are in comparison.

I’m not old, but you are right, I am am bitter, bitter that my grandparents had Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry, while I’m repeatedly forced to listen to the cat in Heat voice of Taylor every time I leave the house.

But all things are cyclical and eventually a true talent will somehow break through.

Taylor will go away. It’s just a matter of time.

Five paragraphs?? Anyway stay mad

I’m a lawyer. I write five paragraphs in my sleep and wrote that post on the toilet while doing you know what while thinking of Taylor. It was the time ever I found her work to be “inspiring.”

Typical lawyer

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Anonymous wrote:I think so weird how people are like I can’t relate to what she’s singing about, why is she still singing about Break ups and falling in love? Those times are so fleeting in our lives that sometimes a good song like that reminds you what it’s like to be “Down Bad” and bring back those feelings of nostalgia. If not that we relate to it now, but it brings up old feelings and that’s not necessarily a bad thing!

Those times are clearly not fleeting in Taylor’s life. They have been a constant since she was a teen.

If people acted normal about Taylor, none of this would be a topic. It’s the crazy obsession that is bizarre. It’s the death threats and threats of violence sent to article writer who critique her. It’s the hyperventilating and crying over seeing a glimpse of her. It’s the insane amounts of money people pay and debt they will go into just to see a show. It isn’t healthy. It’s adults obsessed with a singer to the point that they lose all rational thought.

There are many worst things To be addicted to. I will take a Taylor Swift addicted America over alternatives.

I could not disagree more. You could be addicted to exercise (ie train for the Iron Man). Or in the case of Taylor’s target audience, you could be addicted to doing your homework and achieving. You could be addicted to cleaning or cooking or reading or knitting or playing the piano or swimming or basketball. I can think of a million better addictions than obsessing over Taylor Swift.

Being fascinated with such a mediocre talent is precisely what is ruining America.

Yet here you are, as captivated as anyone else. Joke’s on you.

Not really, the more people talk about how much they don’t like her, the less financing she’ll get for that next album. Eventually she will fade away.

Yesterday her record hit 500 million streams in one day, the fastest for any artist in history. This doesn’t even account for the sales of physical media. She’s currently still on her tour which will ultimately end up being the highest grossing of all time. She is not going anywhere, you’re just a bitter hag.

Because of the internet, any musician today has a bigger world market than the ones from before. A tween in China or Russia can stream Taylor, but their parents/grandparents couldn’t buy a Beatles record or a Michael Jackson single. Those things weren’t for sale, so you can’t really compare her sales to anyone, but other musicians today.

Also, because of the internet, gone are the days of managers and agents scanning clubs and local venues for talent. There’s no point, their songs will end up free on YouTube and their managers won’t make money. They are not looking for the best singers anymore. Instead, they’re make money on the very few who have connections and more importantly FINANCING so that the record label can get paid and they can all keep their houses and cars, etc.

Taylor Swift is one of those lucky few, financed and marketed to the extreme, but she lacks real talent. Sure, a talented musician can now post on YouTube, too, but who is going to see them without the marketing? You might as well sing in the streets.

Worse than the fact that the managers and record labels won’t look for talented musicians anymore, they actively prevent them from reaching wider audiences, because actual talent makes the pre-packaged, well financed musicians they’ve backed (ie Taylor) look like the sh-t that they are in comparison.

I’m not old, but you are right, I am am bitter, bitter that my grandparents had Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry, while I’m repeatedly forced to listen to the cat in Heat voice of Taylor every time I leave the house.

But all things are cyclical and eventually a true talent will somehow break through.

Taylor will go away. It’s just a matter of time.

NP. There’s this thing now where you can just stream whatever you want to listen to, and not stream whatever you don’t want to listen to. You can listen to Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry all day and night if you want to.

Um yeah, but I’d like to hear new talented young musicians that are alive today. Unfortunately, Big Bankers and Hedge funders have put their money on Taylor, so I can’t access new talented musicians, since they aren’t being financed and marketed.

We had a great system for finding talent, but it’s been obliterated and now we have Taylor. I’m a capitalist, but Marx was write about some things.

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Anonymous wrote:Cardigan:
But I knew you’d linger like a tattoo kiss
I knew you’d haunt all of my what if’s
The smell of smoke would hang around…

Matty has tattoos and smokes.

Cruel Summer:
Bad, bad boy shiny toy with a price
He looks up grinning like a devil
And I snuck in through the garden gate just to seal my fate
I don’t wanna keep secrets
And it’s new, the feeling (years after being with her bf)

Ain’t no way Joe fits that song either.

Tay Tay been pining after and singing about the tattooed golden retriever for years it would appear. Matty Healy, possibly the greatest secret muse in the history of modern day music! She did a number on her fans, didn’t she?

The One and Can I ask you a question are also both Matty inspired.

On Tour, she replaced "invisible string" with The One when she broke it off with Joe.

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Anonymous wrote:I think so weird how people are like I can’t relate to what she’s singing about, why is she still singing about Break ups and falling in love? Those times are so fleeting in our lives that sometimes a good song like that reminds you what it’s like to be “Down Bad” and bring back those feelings of nostalgia. If not that we relate to it now, but it brings up old feelings and that’s not necessarily a bad thing!

Those times are clearly not fleeting in Taylor’s life. They have been a constant since she was a teen.

If people acted normal about Taylor, none of this would be a topic. It’s the crazy obsession that is bizarre. It’s the death threats and threats of violence sent to article writer who critique her. It’s the hyperventilating and crying over seeing a glimpse of her. It’s the insane amounts of money people pay and debt they will go into just to see a show. It isn’t healthy. It’s adults obsessed with a singer to the point that they lose all rational thought.

There have always been crazy obsessive fans. I don’t think Taylor has any more of them than other big names.

You are conflating moments in peoples lives getting excited about Taylor and acting as if that is their whole life. I’m in my late 40s and have a teen and tween daughter. The 15-year-old went and saw her show last spring with a bunch of her friends and some of the moms. It was a huge event, people spent money on the show, hotel, merch etc, everybody was excited and it was a really fun time. I’m sure if you saw my daughter and her friends at the show, you might think they were rabid fans in that moment. They were really excited. But after the show they came home and they went on with their lives. My daughters like other artists in addition to Taylor, they are really into school, their sports, friends, And a ton of other things.

The mom’s text thread ceased to be about Taylor ever again and immediately got back to carpooling, sports, school, etc.

Somehow people were able to enjoy it, get really excited, get really focused on it, and then just go back to their lives. Like I said, I’m sure are some crazies, but that is always going to true.

To watch a girl scream over Taylor Swift, and then just assume she has obsessed for the rest of her life is an odd take.

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Anonymous wrote:So.Many.Words.

As always, I'm very impressed that she's able to write these complicated, interesting lyrics. But at the same time, it's such a word dump! I love TS but as another poster said, I feel she's really becoming overexposed. How many albums does she need to put out? And the constant revenge/pining theme isn't healthy for young girls to internalize.

I disagree. I’m 48 and only now getting in touch with my rage as a woman. I was taught to be a real people pleaser, always be glass half full, and I stuffed so much inside and I don’t think that’s healthy. Maybe it’s not healthy to go too far the other way, but I think her generation is trying to balance some of that and I appreciate it.

I mean, look at what is happening in our own country with women’s rights. I think it’s OK for girls to internalize some bad stuff, it’s not sunshine and roses.

I’m 47 and Alanis, Tori and Sinead were my musical rage women. I agree that women need to be in touch with their anger, but they also need to learn to speak it, and act on it (not with aggression, but as a sign that their rights/beliefs are being violated in some way). I don’t think Taylor does the second part well. She can point out her rage and then sit on stage in front of her fans giving a glitter sparkle performance in a mask. The singers of our generation were better about being honest about their feelings on and off the stage.

Sure, maybe not. Taylor is definitely not Alanis. But she is who she is and fans seem to be responding and rather than pick it apart and try to force her to be what she’s not it’s so curious why people can’t let it be. I just don’t remember people picking apart alanis Morissette or any of the other artists you just named. They were who they were and their genre is their genre and yet we want Taylor to be everything to everybody when she’s not, we get really up in arms about it. It’s very strange.

Taylor is angry but not angry enough. She writes great pop songs but they don’t appeal to everyone like middle aged men so she’s failed because great pops songs should be universal I guess.

She writes about heartbreak but she writes TOO MUCH about heartbreak.

Just from the last dozen posts alone I gather this.

You really need to watch the Sinead O’Connor documentary because.. The fact that you said you don’t remember people picking our part clearly you don’t know who she is.

Of course I remember Sinead. You missed my point. Were people picking her apart because she wrote too much about heartbreak? Or any other reason that people pick Taylor apart?

It was all political… You know this is totally different. Don’t be dense.

No it's not different. She was boo'd off stages. Also Sinead wrote maybe 20 songs.

I’m not going to waste anymore time on this. Google Sinead and find out why she was a controversial figure. It is not why Taylor is controversial.

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The album makes me feel like I am waking up and Matt Healy is asleep next to me, like get me outta here.

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Anonymous wrote:I think so weird how people are like I can’t relate to what she’s singing about, why is she still singing about Break ups and falling in love? Those times are so fleeting in our lives that sometimes a good song like that reminds you what it’s like to be “Down Bad” and bring back those feelings of nostalgia. If not that we relate to it now, but it brings up old feelings and that’s not necessarily a bad thing!

Those times are clearly not fleeting in Taylor’s life. They have been a constant since she was a teen.

If people acted normal about Taylor, none of this would be a topic. It’s the crazy obsession that is bizarre. It’s the death threats and threats of violence sent to article writer who critique her. It’s the hyperventilating and crying over seeing a glimpse of her. It’s the insane amounts of money people pay and debt they will go into just to see a show. It isn’t healthy. It’s adults obsessed with a singer to the point that they lose all rational thought.

There are many worst things To be addicted to. I will take a Taylor Swift addicted America over alternatives.

I could not disagree more. You could be addicted to exercise (ie train for the Iron Man). Or in the case of Taylor’s target audience, you could be addicted to doing your homework and achieving. You could be addicted to cleaning or cooking or reading or knitting or playing the piano or swimming or basketball. I can think of a million better addictions than obsessing over Taylor Swift.

Being fascinated with such a mediocre talent is precisely what is ruining America.

Yet here you are, as captivated as anyone else. Joke’s on you.

Not really, the more people talk about how much they don’t like her, the less financing she’ll get for that next album. Eventually she will fade away.

Yesterday her record hit 500 million streams in one day, the fastest for any artist in history. This doesn’t even account for the sales of physical media. She’s currently still on her tour which will ultimately end up being the highest grossing of all time. She is not going anywhere, you’re just a bitter hag.

Because of the internet, any musician today has a bigger world market than the ones from before. A tween in China or Russia can stream Taylor, but their parents/grandparents couldn’t buy a Beatles record or a Michael Jackson single. Those things weren’t for sale, so you can’t really compare her sales to anyone, but other musicians today.

Also, because of the internet, gone are the days of managers and agents scanning clubs and local venues for talent. There’s no point, their songs will end up free on YouTube and their managers won’t make money. They are not looking for the best singers anymore. Instead, they’re make money on the very few who have connections and more importantly FINANCING so that the record label can get paid and they can all keep their houses and cars, etc.

Taylor Swift is one of those lucky few, financed and marketed to the extreme, but she lacks real talent. Sure, a talented musician can now post on YouTube, too, but who is going to see them without the marketing? You might as well sing in the streets.

Worse than the fact that the managers and record labels won’t look for talented musicians anymore, they actively prevent them from reaching wider audiences, because actual talent makes the pre-packaged, well financed musicians they’ve backed (ie Taylor) look like the sh-t that they are in comparison.

I’m not old, but you are right, I am am bitter, bitter that my grandparents had Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry, while I’m repeatedly forced to listen to the cat in Heat voice of Taylor every time I leave the house.

But all things are cyclical and eventually a true talent will somehow break through.

Taylor will go away. It’s just a matter of time.

NP. There’s this thing now where you can just stream whatever you want to listen to, and not stream whatever you don’t want to listen to. You can listen to Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry all day and night if you want to.

Um yeah, but I’d like to hear new talented young musicians that are alive today. Unfortunately, Big Bankers and Hedge funders have put their money on Taylor, so I can’t access new talented musicians, since they aren’t being financed and marketed.

We had a great system for finding talent, but it’s been obliterated and now we have Taylor. I’m a capitalist, but Marx was write about some things.

Uh…okay? You’re the one who specifically brought up those older, dead artists.

And it’s easier in 2024 than ever before to access new musicians. Just go on Spotify. You can even set your account to never play songs from Taylor.

[Anonymous]

Wait, so is Cruel Summer about Matty Healy and not Joe??

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Anonymous wrote:She was obviously with MH for quite awhile given they were exchanging I Love Yous in public. Probably together a few months at least to reach that stage. These are adults in their 30s, not middle schoolers.

I think her first public I Love Yous to Travis were about 6 months in?

So cheating on Joe?

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Anonymous wrote:So.Many.Words.

As always, I'm very impressed that she's able to write these complicated, interesting lyrics. But at the same time, it's such a word dump! I love TS but as another poster said, I feel she's really becoming overexposed. How many albums does she need to put out? And the constant revenge/pining theme isn't healthy for young girls to internalize.

I disagree. I’m 48 and only now getting in touch with my rage as a woman. I was taught to be a real people pleaser, always be glass half full, and I stuffed so much inside and I don’t think that’s healthy. Maybe it’s not healthy to go too far the other way, but I think her generation is trying to balance some of that and I appreciate it.

I mean, look at what is happening in our own country with women’s rights. I think it’s OK for girls to internalize some bad stuff, it’s not sunshine and roses.

I’m 47 and Alanis, Tori and Sinead were my musical rage women. I agree that women need to be in touch with their anger, but they also need to learn to speak it, and act on it (not with aggression, but as a sign that their rights/beliefs are being violated in some way). I don’t think Taylor does the second part well. She can point out her rage and then sit on stage in front of her fans giving a glitter sparkle performance in a mask. The singers of our generation were better about being honest about their feelings on and off the stage.

Sure, maybe not. Taylor is definitely not Alanis. But she is who she is and fans seem to be responding and rather than pick it apart and try to force her to be what she’s not it’s so curious why people can’t let it be. I just don’t remember people picking apart alanis Morissette or any of the other artists you just named. They were who they were and their genre is their genre and yet we want Taylor to be everything to everybody when she’s not, we get really up in arms about it. It’s very strange.

Taylor is angry but not angry enough. She writes great pop songs but they don’t appeal to everyone like middle aged men so she’s failed because great pops songs should be universal I guess.

She writes about heartbreak but she writes TOO MUCH about heartbreak.

Just from the last dozen posts alone I gather this.

You really need to watch the Sinead O’Connor documentary because.. The fact that you said you don’t remember people picking our part clearly you don’t know who she is.

Of course I remember Sinead. You missed my point. Were people picking her apart because she wrote too much about heartbreak? Or any other reason that people pick Taylor apart?

It was all political… You know this is totally different. Don’t be dense.

Sinead was crucified for tearing a picture of the Pope. And the world at that time, and many still don’t know, the Catholic Church forced unwed mothers to have their children adopted.

https://sojo.net/articles/decades-churches-forced-unwed-mothers-adoptions