Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

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Anonymous wrote:If you're old enough to hold and fire a AR-15 you're old enough for prison. Reduce the minimum age for prison based on terrorist threats to 15 years. Youtube threat? Prison for three months. In-school threat? Same.

How about just not letting pissed off teenaged boys ( that would be all of them) to buy guns? Seems a bit easier and more effective.

So your suggestion is what exactly? Raise the minimum age of purchase for all guns to what minimum? Keep in mind these mass shooters are often 17-21 and recent graduates of whatever school system or university they're targeting. So you want a minimum of 23-25 to be safe?

Totally fine with that. At least 21. Also, I want mandatory liability insurance for very gun owner. And licensing. And maybe probationary periods for men under 25.

Responding PP again - I support all that. I also want the household owners of these weapons (often they belong to the parents or guardians of the home) to be charged with felony murder or accessory to murder if their weapon is used in a mass shooting with the result of death.

That would be great too.

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I feel like cops should support all of this stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:All of these fences all of these secure buildings do nothing when hundreds of children leave that building every day and stand in lines waiting to get on buses or be picked up by their parents. Everyone is a sitting duck at that point We need to get rid of guns and have meaningful gun reform.

Bomb can be used. Evil is just that - it finds a way.

We can imagine scenarios forever though. Better to start by securing things right away and simultaneously work on meaningful reform.

Evil manages to not find a way in countries that have meaningfully banned guns. Get your head out of the sand.

There are no more killings at all?

No genius, but like, many magnitudes fewer.

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But like?

Yes. I’m dumbing the discourse down for you since you don’t seem to grasp fairly obvious points.

Its how you speak. Admit it...genius.

You use that word a lot, making you easy to identify.

And I’m supposed to care why? I see you don’t want to acknowledge basic facts, but would rather be oddly menacing. Not surprising for a gun nut.

I don't own one gun. My husband brought them in without asking. He voted for Obama and Biden. I don't feel we have a need for them where we live. We have dogs and have an alarm system.

Good for you? I’m not sure what is on your mind but I’m sure it’s very profound. To sum it up: countries with tighter gun controls have fewer guns. Thus fewer gun deaths. It’s a tough logical leap to make but if you think on it a little I am sure it will start to make sense, even to you.

What's on my mind is that I was mischaracterized. The PP was wrong about me. It's easy to control guns on islands. Remember, though, the attack of the youth camp in Norway. 85 killed. Norway had some of the toughest gun laws around: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/24/norway-strict-gun-laws-circumvented

List all the other mass shootings in Norway over the last 30 years.

85 people is a LOT. And this happened despite harsh laws.

Another voice from Pro-Massacre Community. Welcome, patriot!

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Anonymous wrote:All of these fences all of these secure buildings do nothing when hundreds of children leave that building every day and stand in lines waiting to get on buses or be picked up by their parents. Everyone is a sitting duck at that point We need to get rid of guns and have meaningful gun reform.

Bomb can be used. Evil is just that - it finds a way.

We can imagine scenarios forever though. Better to start by securing things right away and simultaneously work on meaningful reform.

Evil manages to not find a way in countries that have meaningfully banned guns. Get your head out of the sand.

There are no more killings at all?

No genius, but like, many magnitudes fewer.

DP

But like?

Yes. I’m dumbing the discourse down for you since you don’t seem to grasp fairly obvious points.

Its how you speak. Admit it...genius.

You use that word a lot, making you easy to identify.

And I’m supposed to care why? I see you don’t want to acknowledge basic facts, but would rather be oddly menacing. Not surprising for a gun nut.

I don't own one gun. My husband brought them in without asking. He voted for Obama and Biden. I don't feel we have a need for them where we live. We have dogs and have an alarm system.

Good for you? I’m not sure what is on your mind but I’m sure it’s very profound. To sum it up: countries with tighter gun controls have fewer guns. Thus fewer gun deaths. It’s a tough logical leap to make but if you think on it a little I am sure it will start to make sense, even to you.

What's on my mind is that I was mischaracterized. The PP was wrong about me. It's easy to control guns on islands. Remember, though, the attack of the youth camp in Norway. 85 killed. Norway had some of the toughest gun laws around: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/24/norway-strict-gun-laws-circumvented

List all the other mass shootings in Norway over the last 30 years.

85 people is a LOT. And this happened despite harsh laws.

27 schools shootings THIS YEAR in the US.

Come on, is that really that bad? That's like one school shooting a week. Vote Republican for a Brighter Tomorrow!

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Anonymous wrote:You know what would have made this less likely to happen? Age limits on guns. This is out of control. Teenagers should not be allowed to buy these weapons.

18 year olds who serve this country have guns placed in their hands. Minimum age to be a police officer is 18-21, depending on the state.

Those 18 year olds have extensive training drilled into them.

If you don't agree with age limits, do you think we should require 6 months of training before purchasing a gun? For everyone?

Not only that! They have to undergo background checks to get into service in e first place. I’m fine using that standard! If an 18 year old wants a gun he should be able to get security clearance first

This 18 year old had a background check. Sadly, he passed.

Why wouldn't he have passed? 18-year-olds have clear records that are sealed from juvenile offenses which starts the day they turn 18. He waited and he pounced. Stupidity.

EXACTLY. Do we really want the records sealed of cold blooded killers and crazies just because they hit a magic age?

The kid didn't have a record...neither did the shooters of Majory Stoneman Douglas or Sandy Hook or Las Vegas Mandalay Bay or Isla Vista or Charleston.

What EXACTLY do you plan to do to combat these teen boys with with no state or federal prison records, no prior arrests, and not even a parking ticket that are snapping and getting weapons of mass war from parents or grandparents?

or from gun stores, more often.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like cops should support all of this stuff.

I feel like cops need to STFU since they are accomplices in this crime

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Anonymous wrote:If you're old enough to hold and fire a AR-15 you're old enough for prison. Reduce the minimum age for prison based on terrorist threats to 15 years. Youtube threat? Prison for three months. In-school threat? Same.

How about just not letting pissed off teenaged boys ( that would be all of them) to buy guns? Seems a bit easier and more effective.

So your suggestion is what exactly? Raise the minimum age of purchase for all guns to what minimum? Keep in mind these mass shooters are often 17-21 and recent graduates of whatever school system or university they're targeting. So you want a minimum of 23-25 to be safe?

Totally fine with that. At least 21. Also, I want mandatory liability insurance for very gun owner. And licensing. And maybe probationary periods for men under 25.

Responding PP again - I support all that. I also want the household owners of these weapons (often they belong to the parents or guardians of the home) to be charged with felony murder or accessory to murder if their weapon is used in a mass shooting with the result of death.

That would be great too.

Why only for mass shootings? And for Newtown-the gun owner (killer’s mom who had a stash of guns) killed his mother first. All this to say-all legal gun owners should be background checked and required to buy liability insurance that pays out in the evidence of disaster. If an insurance company had to pay out you can bet they’d do a good job lookign for risk (mentally ill boy in house, Guns not being locked up appropriately from young children etc.)

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Anonymous wrote:If you're old enough to hold and fire a AR-15 you're old enough for prison. Reduce the minimum age for prison based on terrorist threats to 15 years. Youtube threat? Prison for three months. In-school threat? Same.

How about just not letting pissed off teenaged boys ( that would be all of them) to buy guns? Seems a bit easier and more effective.

So your suggestion is what exactly? Raise the minimum age of purchase for all guns to what minimum? Keep in mind these mass shooters are often 17-21 and recent graduates of whatever school system or university they're targeting. So you want a minimum of 23-25 to be safe?

Totally fine with that. At least 21. Also, I want mandatory liability insurance for very gun owner. And licensing. And maybe probationary periods for men under 25.

You can’t even rent a car until you’re 25. It’s really not so crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're old enough to hold and fire a AR-15 you're old enough for prison. Reduce the minimum age for prison based on terrorist threats to 15 years. Youtube threat? Prison for three months. In-school threat? Same.

How about just not letting pissed off teenaged boys ( that would be all of them) to buy guns? Seems a bit easier and more effective.

So your suggestion is what exactly? Raise the minimum age of purchase for all guns to what minimum? Keep in mind these mass shooters are often 17-21 and recent graduates of whatever school system or university they're targeting. So you want a minimum of 23-25 to be safe?

Totally fine with that. At least 21. Also, I want mandatory liability insurance for very gun owner. And licensing. And maybe probationary periods for men under 25.

Responding PP again - I support all that. I also want the household owners of these weapons (often they belong to the parents or guardians of the home) to be charged with felony murder or accessory to murder if their weapon is used in a mass shooting with the result of death.

That would be great too.

Why only for mass shootings? And for Newtown-the gun owner (killer’s mom who had a stash of guns) killed his mother first. All this to say-all legal gun owners should be background checked and required to buy liability insurance that pays out in the evidence of disaster. If an insurance company had to pay out you can bet they’d do a good job lookign for risk (mentally ill boy in house, Guns not being locked up appropriately from young children etc.)

Oh yes, not just for mass shootings. Any wrongful death!

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Anonymous wrote:If you're old enough to hold and fire a AR-15 you're old enough for prison. Reduce the minimum age for prison based on terrorist threats to 15 years. Youtube threat? Prison for three months. In-school threat? Same.

How about just not letting pissed off teenaged boys ( that would be all of them) to buy guns? Seems a bit easier and more effective.

So your suggestion is what exactly? Raise the minimum age of purchase for all guns to what minimum? Keep in mind these mass shooters are often 17-21 and recent graduates of whatever school system or university they're targeting. So you want a minimum of 23-25 to be safe?

Totally fine with that. At least 21. Also, I want mandatory liability insurance for very gun owner. And licensing. And maybe probationary periods for men under 25.

You can’t even rent a car until you’re 25. It’s really not so crazy.

Maybe in your state? In Massachusetts or Florida for instance the age is 21.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like cops should support all of this stuff.

I feel like cops need to STFU since they are accomplices in this crime

Or maybe it’s a moment for them to do something good for the community. I don’t think most cops sign up for their jobs expecting this to happen. And unfortunately it happens often enough now that they probably should expect it. But that doesn’t have to be the case. I’m tired of the arms race between law enforcement and civilians.

We need fewer guns.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're old enough to hold and fire a AR-15 you're old enough for prison. Reduce the minimum age for prison based on terrorist threats to 15 years. Youtube threat? Prison for three months. In-school threat? Same.

How about just not letting pissed off teenaged boys ( that would be all of them) to buy guns? Seems a bit easier and more effective.

So your suggestion is what exactly? Raise the minimum age of purchase for all guns to what minimum? Keep in mind these mass shooters are often 17-21 and recent graduates of whatever school system or university they're targeting. So you want a minimum of 23-25 to be safe?

Totally fine with that. At least 21. Also, I want mandatory liability insurance for very gun owner. And licensing. And maybe probationary periods for men under 25.

Let’s make it 30 and up to buy or possess any semi auto (rifle or handgun). 18 year olds can still buy bolt action rifles and pump shotguns (which are much slower to shoot and reload, and you can still defend your home with a shotgun). Plus if we limit the purchasing age to 30, a lot of the bad apples will have already committed other crimes that disqualify themselves from owning a gun. Allowing 18 year olds to buy AR15’s means that a lot of the crazies haven’t had enough time to show everyone how crazy they are so they slip through the cracks of the background check system.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

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As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered. He fired in their general direction and they ran away. 19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down. Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem. They had it. They were there.

At the school, agree. I mean after the truck crashed and before he breached the fence and entered through the open door.

It took him at least 12 minutes to get inside the building. He shot at people outside too. The police station is 1.5 miles away. The 911 calls started within 2 minutes of the crash. A patrol car drove past him.

Only two things could have prevented this. Banning AR-15s or having uncowardly cops. Lower capacity magazines and ammo purchase limits would have helped reduce the death toll.

There’s an old joke “why do you carry a gun?” Answer: “Because a policeman is too heavy.” Response time can be dreadful. Even if they are there in a timely matter, it often still is too late. Again, the door was left wide open AFTER someone saw the guy shooting across the street. Once he got in, sadly, he controlled the scene. You and I don’t know whether or not an armed resource officer or a few volunteer armed teachers would have made a difference. It sure would have helped change the trajectory though, because the perp would be engaged with those individual(s). We’ve seen this again and again, most recently in Charlestown WV, where a woman killed a man with her hand gun who opened fire on a party with his AR-15. He’s the only one who was hit and died. There are many other instances in the news. When you want to take ALL guns away, you won’t get ALL guns. And there lies the problem.

But we haven't been taking guns away. We let the assault weapons ban expire, and mass shooting deaths have increased. Uvalde is the type of place where a lot of people already have guns. A lot of good that did

Was the school a gun-free zone?

No.

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Now Republicans are saying because of police ineptitude everyone should open carry.
Why police unions keep backing these people who now aren't even supporting them